Oladipo looking to "move on" from the Pacers

[celtics543]

Boston would probably trade Gordon Hayward and his giant expiring deal along with a 1st round pick for Myles Turner. Maybe Indiana throws in a future pick or something.

Hayward would get to go back home and they'd be able to sell tickets based on him being there while Boston upgrades the front court with someone who can defend the rim and slow down a guy like Bam going forward.

I can't imagine Boston would be interested in Dipo at all.

[Rainwater]

No one has really answered the question will he be the same player he was prior to the injury. Honestly, Vic hasn't been the same player since the break out year. So I would be weary if I were a team pursing him.

[Zeno]

Even if you traded for him and he played really well....how could u be confident giving him a 4 yr max deal and expect him to be healthy. It’s unfortunate for him but it’s reality- although some team will do it

I'm not sure he'd want a max from anyone but Indy. Just pure speculation but Indy kind of botched the handling of Dipo when he had knee soreness and the result was a catastrophic injury. If I'm him, I expect the Pacers pay me max because at the time of injury that's where I was. I don't think he'd hold other teams to the same expectation.

[MagicBagley18]

Even if you traded for him and he played really well....how could u be confident giving him a 4 yr max deal and expect him to be healthy. It’s unfortunate for him but it’s reality- although some team will do it

I'm not sure he'd want a max from anyone but Indy. Just pure speculation but Indy kind of botched the handling of Dipo when he had knee soreness and the result was a catastrophic injury. If I'm him, I expect the Pacers pay me max because at the time of injury that's where I was. I don't think he'd hold other teams to the same expectation.

I disagree....if he plays well and has a rebound season, he more than anyone knows how injury’s can derail a career and he’s gonna want max money. It’s just bad business to ask for less- you ask for the most money possible to start the negotiation and then go from there but he’s 100% going to want a max if he is healthy and performs.

If he gets hurt again that’s a different story, if he plays and isn’t the same player then that will change his ask also but if he’s an all star /borderline all star caliber player he’s asking for a max and he’d be dumb not to

[dennythedino]

Myles Turner for Gordon Hayward + FRP

Turner would immensely upgrade Boston's frontcourt and Indiana gets an expiring in Hayward while also helping them remain competitive.

[PKABOOICU]

He is what the Lakers lack. Guard Iso playmaking ability

[Zeno]

Even if you traded for him and he played really well....how could u be confident giving him a 4 yr max deal and expect him to be healthy. It’s unfortunate for him but it’s reality- although some team will do it

I'm not sure he'd want a max from anyone but Indy. Just pure speculation but Indy kind of botched the handling of Dipo when he had knee soreness and the result was a catastrophic injury. If I'm him, I expect the Pacers pay me max because at the time of injury that's where I was. I don't think he'd hold other teams to the same expectation.

I disagree....if he plays well and has a rebound season, he more than anyone knows how injury’s can derail a career and he’s gonna want max money. It’s just bad business to ask for less- you ask for the most money possible to start the negotiation and then go from there but he’s 100% going to want a max if he is healthy and performs.

If he gets hurt again that’s a different story, if he plays and isn’t the same player then that will change his ask also but if he’s an all star /borderline all star caliber player he’s asking for a max and he’d be dumb not to

No, you misunderstand me, of course he wants max if he plays well next season. I'm saying right now he only wants and expects(near) max extension this offseason from the Pacers. I don't think he's willing to play out the final year with the Pacers feeling they helped contribute to his value being diminished by mishandling his health(again speculation). From an acquiring team he might do either do an extension at a lower number or play out the season and see how he performs and be paid accordingly.

[sfernald]

Why do they want out exactly?

Who wants to be in Indiana? Lol

This has got to be a race/cultural thing... KKK loves having their ralleys in Indy if you get my drift.. all nba players now woke..

[MagicBagley18]

I'm not sure he'd want a max from anyone but Indy. Just pure speculation but Indy kind of botched the handling of Dipo when he had knee soreness and the result was a catastrophic injury. If I'm him, I expect the Pacers pay me max because at the time of injury that's where I was. I don't think he'd hold other teams to the same expectation.

I disagree....if he plays well and has a rebound season, he more than anyone knows how injury’s can derail a career and he’s gonna want max money. It’s just bad business to ask for less- you ask for the most money possible to start the negotiation and then go from there but he’s 100% going to want a max if he is healthy and performs.

If he gets hurt again that’s a different story, if he plays and isn’t the same player then that will change his ask also but if he’s an all star /borderline all star caliber player he’s asking for a max and he’d be dumb not to

No, you misunderstand me, of course he wants max if he plays well next season. I'm saying right now he only wants and expects(near) max extension this offseason from the Pacers. I don't think he's willing to play out the final year with the Pacers feeling they helped contribute to his value being diminished by mishandling his health(again speculation). From an acquiring team he might do either do an extension at a lower number or play out the season and see how he performs and be paid accordingly.

We are just talking in circles- I agree he wants out of Indy whether it’s his injury He’s mad about or he doesn’t feel he can win there but it doesn’t matter because we agree on that.

I disagree he’d agree to a lower than max deal anywhere else right now because of the uncertainty of the cap situation and more importantly no one knows how healthy he is so he would be taking way less and hurting his earning potential. So essentially he’s a rental player possibly and or he plays well and your gambling on his future and giving him a max.

Just risky trade imo and he’s def not taking less than the max anywhere right now because in his eyes he thinks he’ll stay healthy and ball again at a top level.

[dakomish23]

Boston would probably trade Gordon Hayward and his giant expiring deal along with a 1st round pick for Myles Turner. Maybe Indiana throws in a future pick or something.

Hayward would get to go back home and they'd be able to sell tickets based on him being there while Boston upgrades the front court with someone who can defend the rim and slow down a guy like Bam going forward.

I can't imagine Boston would be interested in Dipo at all.

They’re giving up a whole lot more than that

At least Time Lord and #14

[CelticsFTW]

He should be a top target of the Clippers.

PG for Oladipo? lol

[celtics543]

Boston would probably trade Gordon Hayward and his giant expiring deal along with a 1st round pick for Myles Turner. Maybe Indiana throws in a future pick or something.

Hayward would get to go back home and they'd be able to sell tickets based on him being there while Boston upgrades the front court with someone who can defend the rim and slow down a guy like Bam going forward.

I can't imagine Boston would be interested in Dipo at all.

They’re giving up a whole lot more than that

At least Time Lord and #14

Myles Turner put up 12/6/1

Gordon Hayward put up 17/6/4 as a fourth option on a team in the ECF

Hayward also shot better than Turner in every way. Why is Boston adding more?

[dakomish23]

Boston would probably trade Gordon Hayward and his giant expiring deal along with a 1st round pick for Myles Turner. Maybe Indiana throws in a future pick or something.

Hayward would get to go back home and they'd be able to sell tickets based on him being there while Boston upgrades the front court with someone who can defend the rim and slow down a guy like Bam going forward.

I can't imagine Boston would be interested in Dipo at all.

They’re giving up a whole lot more than that

At least Time Lord and #14

Myles Turner put up 12/6/1

Gordon Hayward put up 17/6/4 as a fourth option on a team in the ECF

Hayward also shot better than Turner in every way. Why is Boston adding more?

B/C Hayward cant stay healthy?

B/C big men who can defend the rim and bomb from 3 are a luxury in this league?

B/C Turner is on a solid contract for another 3 years?

Per game averages? Really?

[mademan]

Boston would probably trade Gordon Hayward and his giant expiring deal along with a 1st round pick for Myles Turner. Maybe Indiana throws in a future pick or something.

Hayward would get to go back home and they'd be able to sell tickets based on him being there while Boston upgrades the front court with someone who can defend the rim and slow down a guy like Bam going forward.

I can't imagine Boston would be interested in Dipo at all.

They’re giving up a whole lot more than that

At least Time Lord and #14

Myles Turner put up 12/6/1

Gordon Hayward put up 17/6/4 as a fourth option on a team in the ECF

Hayward also shot better than Turner in every way. Why is Boston adding more?

Myles Turner can anchor a defense while simultaneously spreading the floor on offense out to the 3pt line. Even with his below average rebounding, that makes him ridiculously valuable. Hayward is a decent all around wing, but what he does is far more replaceable.

Which also forgets 1 of them is locked into a very decent contract and the other is about to be a UFA.

[celtics543]

They’re giving up a whole lot more than that

At least Time Lord and #14

Myles Turner put up 12/6/1

Gordon Hayward put up 17/6/4 as a fourth option on a team in the ECF

Hayward also shot better than Turner in every way. Why is Boston adding more?

B/C Hayward cant stay healthy?

B/C big men who can defend the rim and bomb from 3 are a luxury in this league?

B/C Turner is on a solid contract for another 3 years?

Per game averages? Really?

Daniel Theis had a higher PER than Myles Turner, shot 1% point worse from 3 and averaged 3 less points per game. Theis had a higher win share than Turner this season as well.

I get the contract differences but the injuries have been freak injuries, not something chronic. I guess if that's the going rate for a big man who shoots threes then the Celtics should pass. Hayward/Williams/#14 is too much for Myles Turner in my opinion. I'd rather just keep Hayward and Theis while adding someone through the MLE.

[Scalabrine]

The Bucks and really any good-great team trying to get to champ level should be all over this. Even if he wants to be elsewhere, take the risk and go for it. The price can’t be high given his health & contract situation.

Anyways I don’t see why he wants out, surely it has to be contract related? Indiana seems like a really good situation for him, team on the come up and I actually had them as one of my dark horse finals picks for next season. If Oladipo could get back to even 90% of his pre injury form Oladipo, Brogdon, Sabonis, Turner, Warren, Holiday, Lamb with a good coach is a really nice squad.

Oladipo for Divincenzo, Ilyasova (fully non-guaranteed), Wilson and returning the Pacers 2020 FRP for Oladipo seem fair to you?

Lopez/Lopez
Giannis
Middleton/Conaughton
Oladpio/Matthews
Bledsoe/Hill

They would have their own 2020 pick + the MLE to improve their forward depth.

[slicedbread2]

They’re giving up a whole lot more than that

At least Time Lord and #14

Myles Turner put up 12/6/1

Gordon Hayward put up 17/6/4 as a fourth option on a team in the ECF

Hayward also shot better than Turner in every way. Why is Boston adding more?

Myles Turner can anchor a defense while simultaneously spreading the floor on offense out to the 3pt line. Even with his below average rebounding, that makes him ridiculously valuable. Hayward is a decent all around wing, but what he does is far more replaceable.

Which also forgets 1 of them is locked into a very decent contract and the other is about to be a UFA.

If Myles Turner is to be shipped, he's got plenty of suitors that'd cause a bidding war.

New Orleans: They could send Jrue Holiday plus future 1sts for him and Oladipo would be expendable plus you have his brothers here which is a huge plus. Then you could flip Oladipo in a 3 way trade to another team to land someone like Aaron Gordon next to Sabonis and for New Orleans, you get the perfect complimentary player to play next to Zion.

Houston: He'd be the ultimate fit, but they are strapped of assets so I don't see a trade going there.

Atlanta: If they feel that they could get an upgrade from Capela, I could see Atlanta giving up their lotto pick+matching salary and a young player for him.

Yea there are more teams out there that I may be missing, but just getting Hayward and a pick would be selling really low on Turner and he could use a fresh start especially due to the fit of him and Sabonis not working.

[celtics543]

I'll have to go watch some more Myles Turner, based on the opinions here I must be seriously underrating how good he's been.

[nedleeds]

Prime example of why there is absolutely no reason to follow the NBA if you like a small market team.

Very curious if this could be said about any other N. American sport? Or is this exclusive to just the NBA?

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NBA is the only league with guaranteed salaries and a cap, it's the worst of both worlds. It hurts small market teams far worse. If you guess wrong as a small market team on a max deal you are screwed because chances are you can't afford to pay the luxury tax. Or if your max guy blows his quad out through a random accident. The supermax just hurts small market even worse, if their homegrown drafted guy is amazing he'll want a supermax which counts more against the cap and luxury tax line, doing the opposite of what it was intended to do.

NFL has a hard cap, but contracts aren't guaranteed. So Larry Sanders would just get fired in the NFL.
Baseball has no cap and guaranteed salaries.

[MagicBagley18]

I'll have to go watch some more Myles Turner, based on the opinions here I must be seriously underrating how good he's been.

I think it’s more about how good he would be in a system like Boston’s which has made Daniel theis look pretty good as u have pointed out by advanced stats. Turner is bigger, more athletic, more of an imposing presence and imo can alter shots better than theis. He can also put the ball on the floor if need be and attack if he absolutely has to.