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[emunney]

Bucks out: Lopez, DJ Wilson
Bucks in: Nance, Whiteside, Robert Woodard

Cavs out: Nance
Cavs in: Bjelica, Wilson

Kings out: Bjelica, Woodard, Whiteside
Kings in: Lopez

[giannis and 1]

Having some beef at center is definitely necessary. Let's not revisit the days when Tyler **** Zeller was the savior because Thon kept getting thrown around like a ragdoll. Let's not pretend Portis is an inside presence either.

I disagree. Don't think you need a big strong center, there aren't that many dominant physical bigs any more to defend against.

[giannis and 1]

Bucks out: Lopez, DJ Wilson
Bucks in: Nance, Whiteside, Robert Woodard

Cavs out: Nance
Cavs in: Bjelica, Wilson

Kings out: Bjelica, Woodard, Whiteside
Kings in: Lopez

Is Nance's 3 point shooting just a mirage or can he sustain it? Would've never expected him to be shooting at .421 with 3.6 attempts/game.

[buckbeer]

Bucks out: Lopez, DJ Wilson
Bucks in: Nance, Whiteside, Robert Woodard

Cavs out: Nance
Cavs in: Bjelica, Wilson

Kings out: Bjelica, Woodard, Whiteside
Kings in: Lopez

I like this trade idea but doubt the Cavs will trade Nance for 2 expiring contracts. Bucks trade Lopez and move Portis to the starter, and Nance as the first big off the bench.

I like Nance and he has a cheaper contract than Lopez in the next 2 seasons, the Bucks can use the savings to extend Portis.

[Bucks4005]

Does anyone think this trade would help solve our bench issues?

Bucks Trade: Pat, DJ Wilson
Pistons Trade: Jahlil Okafor, Derrick Rose

Essentially, use Rose as a creator 6th man off the bench. A 4th guy on the team who can create his own offense of the bench/a guard who looks to attack. His defense is a concern, but he doesn’t give up that much in terms of size like Augustin, who scoring wise now is a catch and shoot guard. With him, Augustin, and Forbes, even though all might struggle defensively, matchup to matchup you have a different style of bench player to attack opposing teams.

[RiotPunch]

Does anyone think this trade would help solve our bench issues?

Bucks Trade: Pat, DJ Wilson
Pistons Trade: Jahlil Okafor, Derrick Rose

Essentially, use Rose as a creator 6th man off the bench. A 4th guy on the team who can create his own offense of the bench/a guard who looks to attack. His defense is a concern, but he doesn’t give up that much in terms of size like Augustin, who scoring wise now is a catch and shoot guard. With him, Augustin, and Forbes, even though all might struggle defensively, matchup to matchup you have a different style of bench player to attack opposing teams.

But why would Detroit do that?

[AussieBuck]

Bucks out: Lopez, DJ Wilson
Bucks in: Nance, Whiteside, Robert Woodard

Cavs out: Nance
Cavs in: Bjelica, Wilson

Kings out: Bjelica, Woodard, Whiteside
Kings in: Lopez

Is Nance's 3 point shooting just a mirage or can he sustain it? Would've never expected him to be shooting at .421 with 3.6 attempts/game.

He's a proper threat in the dunker's spot and can move his feet on D. Shooting is gravy, we just need a dude who's a live body.

[emunney]

Bucks out: Lopez, DJ Wilson
Bucks in: Nance, Whiteside, Robert Woodard

Cavs out: Nance
Cavs in: Bjelica, Wilson

Kings out: Bjelica, Woodard, Whiteside
Kings in: Lopez

Is Nance's 3 point shooting just a mirage or can he sustain it? Would've never expected him to be shooting at .421 with 3.6 attempts/game.

He's a proper threat in the dunker's spot and can move his feet on D. Shooting is gravy, we just need a dude who's a live body.

Smart and decisive passer and a hawk on D, too.

[Fotis St]

Ι had Lavine over Jrue in my trade wish list
And DeRozan as SG who can create his own shot, in half court. I think we would have been scary.

[TroyD92]

Ι had Lavine over Jrue in my trade wish list
And DeRozan as SG who can create his own shot, in half court. I think we would have been scary.

Derozan is terrible

[blazza18]

Derozan now spending 70% of his minutes at PF according to b-ref.

[Ruzious]

Is Nance's 3 point shooting just a mirage or can he sustain it? Would've never expected him to be shooting at .421 with 3.6 attempts/game.

He's a proper threat in the dunker's spot and can move his feet on D. Shooting is gravy, we just need a dude who's a live body.

Smart and decisive passer and a hawk on D, too.

I've always been a Nance fan. The odd thing is - even though his 3 point shooting is much better this season, his overall shooting, scoring, and productivity numbers have declined.

[coolhandluke121]

Bucks out: Lopez, DJ Wilson
Bucks in: Nance, Whiteside, Robert Woodard

Cavs out: Nance
Cavs in: Bjelica, Wilson

Kings out: Bjelica, Woodard, Whiteside
Kings in: Lopez

Is Nance's 3 point shooting just a mirage or can he sustain it? Would've never expected him to be shooting at .421 with 3.6 attempts/game.

He's a proper threat in the dunker's spot and can move his feet on D. Shooting is gravy, we just need a dude who's a live body.

I would also counter by asking whether Brook's good shooting is just a mirage. It's possible to upgrade from Brook without getting a shooter. The point is to get better, not be perfect.

[Ron Swanson]

I'm not bullish on jettisoning Augustin this early. You'd definitely be selling low and it seems like a panic move based on early returns. His 3PT shooting numbers are right back to his career averages, and I doubt he's gonna shoot 28% on 2-pointers for an entire season. The Brook stuff remains the same. He's not some untouchable piece but none of the proposed trades make up for the unique skill set you're losing with him outgoing. Having zero rim protection outside of Giannis (who honestly isn't as great at the 5 as people want him to be) isn't a good recipe for building an elite defense.

Craig looking like a legit two-way rotation guy is what's making Pat the more movable option. Combining him and and DJ gives you a nice $9-10 million salary slot to work with, and I'm guessing there will be plenty of lottery teams looking to jettison veteran players in that pay range when you'll be legally able to trade him (Pat).

[coolhandluke121]

Brook's rim protection isn't an asset, it's a consolation prize.

[leroyjw10]

I'm not bullish on jettisoning Augustin this early. You'd definitely be selling low and it seems like a panic move based on early returns. His 3PT shooting numbers are right back to his career averages, and I doubt he's gonna shoot 28% on 2-pointers for an entire season. The Brook stuff remains the same. He's not some untouchable piece but none of the proposed trades make up for the unique skill set you're losing with him outgoing. Having zero rim protection outside of Giannis (who honestly isn't as great at the 5 as people want him to be) isn't a good recipe for building an elite defense.

Craig looking like a legit two-way rotation guy is what's making Pat the more movable option. Combining him and and DJ gives you a nice $9-10 million salary slot to work with, and I'm guessing there will be plenty of lottery teams looking to jettison veteran players in that pay range when you'll be legally able to trade him (Pat).

That's the move right there. Like Donte, I don't think Pat's hot start is sustainable either. I'd rather give Craig and Nwora more minutes, and see what kind player we can get for Patty/DJ (to Kings for Bjelica/James?).

[Ron Swanson]

Bjelica wouldn't be a bad option, but the deadline move is Pat/DJ for PJ Tucker and Boogie. Throw in a 2nd rounder if you have to.

[coolhandluke121]

ESPN's RPM standings were finally released today. It's not the be-all, end-all by any stretch of the imagination, but it's probably the best advanced stat I've seen for consistency with the eye test and not arbitrarily favoring certain roles over others. It's also based on actual lineup data, as opposed to just a bunch of assumptions, which is how bref works if I understand correctly. It's subject to a lot of noise, especially this early in the year when a lot of guys are playing in new situations or don't have a lot of minutes, but the Bucks' RPM stats seem to reflect their contributions with remarkable accuracy.

Giannis is 13th at +4.20. That's way below his normal standards and it reflects what almost all of us already know, which is that he's been kind of a disaster too often this year - though he's obviously still dominant on many nights.

Khris is 16th at +3.72, which shouldn't surprise anyone. He's been basically just as helpful and important as Giannis this year.

DDV and Jrue at 31 and 32, which seems about right. DDV is #7 at SG but likely continued shooting regression will move him down throughout the year, though probably not below top 50 or so and maybe ~12 among sg's. Jrue still seems to be feeling his way and picking his spots, but I think he'll climb by the end of the year.

Pat C is somewhat surprising at 61st but his shooting has been a fluke. It's not actually that weird for a mediocre player to have a great adjusted plus-minus during a hot shooting streak. He also doesn't have a ton of minutes so it's not a great sample size.

Forbes is #136 and a slight positive. Hitting 3's obviously matters a lot.

Portis is #158 and a slight negative. He's probably a victim of bad lineups with no prior year data on this team to adjust for the biases in the data. Interestingly his DRPM is pretty good and his ORPM is poor, but you can't read too much into it. Also the DRPM stat seems to be biased in favor of big guys for some reason. Overall RPM is good but the O/D splits usually seem off to me.

Brook is #172 and DJA is #234. Brook still has a pretty good DRPM but that stat is definitely biased in favor of bigs IMO. RPM does rely on some box score stats to distribute shares of a lineup's overall +/- to each player and I think they weigh rebounds and blocks too heavily in DRPM. DJA has to shoot better in order to get anywhere close to neutral. He's unplayable when not hitting.

Thanasis is last among the semi-regulars at #441. His -4.53 cancels out Giannis and then some.

[ShootingtheJ]

Is Nance's 3 point shooting just a mirage or can he sustain it? Would've never expected him to be shooting at .421 with 3.6 attempts/game.

He's a proper threat in the dunker's spot and can move his feet on D. Shooting is gravy, we just need a dude who's a live body.

Smart and decisive passer and a hawk on D, too.

Cleveland also has no interest in trading him. He's not old an is a fan favorite.

[coolhandluke121]

I think Muscala is a realistic target who would help.