Bulls Remaining Roster Spot Discussion

Grodoboldo · Post #141 » by **Grodoboldo** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:27 pm

sco wrote:
madvillian wrote:I'd rather just sign Vonleh than give Milsap three years, even partially guaranteed. I like Milsap but not for more than as a one year rental. Vonleh has a little upside IMO as well.

I'm with you. On that note, can we use BAE for a 2 year deal? Not sure if that works with Milsap, but that may be ok.

I think Vonleh has more 4/5 positional flexibility than Milsap.

I think so, yeah. Might be what we have to do to sign him over the Warriors and Nets (full 2 years BAE).

holv03 · Post #142 » by **holv03** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:29 pm

TheFinishSniper wrote:
BahamaBull wrote:all in for Meyers Leonard too...

Dude was solid for the Heat a couple years ago...A very good backup plan if Vuc goes down with an injury. Local kid.

Bring him home AK!

This.best candidate by mile. Nothing wrong with him except that story. And stories dont play basketball. So no care. I watched too many Nice good guys who are terrible or slow in Bulls uniform.

People act like they dont make mistakes. Leonard would be a great addition to this team.

sco · Post #143 » by **sco** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:31 pm

holv03 wrote:Millsap to the Bulls could be our next move. Bulls will most likely use the BAE on him instead of making a sign and trade. Vanderbilt is another player we could target specially in a sign and trade.

Milsap on the BAE would be a win, but a Vanderbilt S&T would both surprise and thrill me.

I'm still rooting for a viable backup 3-pt capable SG to give us some Coby injury insurance and depth to allow trading him at the deadline (if he isn't showing the sort of improvement we need).

Clint Eastwood · Post #144 » by **Clint Eastwood** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:34 pm

holv03 wrote:Millsap to the Bulls could be our next move. Bulls will most likely use the BAE on him instead of making a sign and trade. Vanderbilt is another player we could target specially in a sign and trade.

Vanderbilt to me, and or Milsap would be cherry on top of the most exciting bulls offseason in such a long time.

BahamaBull · Post #145 » by **BahamaBull** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:35 pm

holv03 wrote:
TheFinishSniper wrote:
BahamaBull wrote:all in for Meyers Leonard too...

Dude was solid for the Heat a couple years ago...A very good backup plan if Vuc goes down with an injury. Local kid.

Bring him home AK!

This.best candidate by mile. Nothing wrong with him except that story. And stories dont play basketball. So no care. I watched too many Nice good guys who are terrible or slow in Bulls uniform.

People act like they dont make mistakes. Leonard would be a great addition to this team.

Fit wise...makes a lot of sense...At this point I believe we can get him for the minimum.

PLEASE USE SOCIALLY ACCEPTABLE COMMENTS - Smack

The man made a mistake but is doing everything right to make up for it...

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nba/miami-heat/article253624103.html

StunnerKO · Post #146 » by **StunnerKO** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:43 pm

Not even mentioning the backlash you might receive from part of the fan base some things just aren’t worth it.
He got dropped by Pat and an OKC team that needs talent and no team has touched him this entire free agency for a reason . Maybe next year he’ll be alright. AKME don’t seem like they would be interested in him anyway maybe garpax

BahamaBull · Post #147 » by **BahamaBull** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:48 pm

StunnerKO wrote:Not even mentioning the backlash you might receive from part of the fan base some things just aren’t worth it.
He got dropped by Pat and an OKC team that needs talent and no team has touched him this entire free agency for a reason . Maybe next year he’ll be alright

With all due respect but he said a bad word during a live video game stream. He didnt even know what it meant. Receive backlash of part of the fan base because of that is simply stupid...He was wrong...He apologized...He learned from it and did everything he supposed to do...Now we move on...World is soo soft nowadays...Hate it.

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sco · Post #148 » by **sco** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:53 pm

BahamaBull wrote:all in for Meyers Leonard too...

Dude was solid for the Heat a couple years ago...A very good backup plan if Vuc goes down with an injury. Local kid.

Bring him home AK!

His mistakes aside, bringing in another C would be a bit of an indictment on signing Marko and would have too many C-only roster spots tied up. I'm not sold on Marko yet, but can live with him as our 3rd C.

StunnerKO · Post #149 » by **StunnerKO** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:55 pm

BahamaBull wrote:
StunnerKO wrote:Not even mentioning the backlash you might receive from part of the fan base some things just aren’t worth it.
He got dropped by Pat and an OKC team that needs talent and no team has touched him this entire free agency for a reason . Maybe next year he’ll be alright

With all due respect but he said a bad word during a live video game stream. He didnt even know what it meant. Receive backlash of part of the fan base because of that is simply stupid...He was wrong...He apologized...He learned from it and did everything he supposed to do...Now we move on...World is soo soft nowadays...Hate it.

Read on Twitter

Doesn’t change that it happened regardless we’re it was from and he has to live with it . He’ll get another chance just not this year lol glad he’s taking steps but Leonard not making breaking a teams overall success at the end of the day for some teams to get backlash from the Jewish community.

RSP83 · Post #150 » by **RSP83** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:32 pm

sco wrote:
BahamaBull wrote:all in for Meyers Leonard too...

Dude was solid for the Heat a couple years ago...A very good backup plan if Vuc goes down with an injury. Local kid.

Bring him home AK!

His mistakes aside, bringing in another C would be a bit of an indictment on signing Marko and would have too many C-only roster spots tied up. I'm not sold on Marko yet, but can live with him as our 3rd C.

I have a feeling AK is also trying to find some minutes for Marko for development. More minutes than just garbage time minutes. Probably 4-5 minutes in the 1st half, and 4-5 minutes in the 2nd half. So I'm thinking AK would probably prefer Millsap, because he can play backup small ball C, similar to Thad last year, but he's only going to be effective for limited period of time at C. Either sub-in Vuc back or give Vuc extra time to rest and sub-in Marko to fill the time. I like Meyers as backup C, but I think AK brings Marko in because he has a plan as well, and that involves Marko actually playing.

mack2354 · Post #151 » by **mack2354** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:46 pm

StunnerKO wrote:
BahamaBull wrote:
StunnerKO wrote:Not even mentioning the backlash you might receive from part of the fan base some things just aren’t worth it.
He got dropped by Pat and an OKC team that needs talent and no team has touched him this entire free agency for a reason . Maybe next year he’ll be alright

With all due respect but he said a bad word during a live video game stream. He didnt even know what it meant. Receive backlash of part of the fan base because of that is simply stupid...He was wrong...He apologized...He learned from it and did everything he supposed to do...Now we move on...World is soo soft nowadays...Hate it.

Read on Twitter

Doesn’t change that it happened regardless we’re it was from and he has to live with it . He’ll get another chance just not this year lol glad he’s taking steps but Leonard not making breaking a teams overall success at the end of the day for some teams to get backlash from the Jewish community.

I don't want to go too far left politics wise but nobody should be surprised. Cancel culture is after everybody but all groups aren't created equal. The Jewish community and the LGBTQ community are the top 2 groups you do not want to piss off.

His best bet is to go overseas for a year, dominate, let people forget, and wait for a desperate team to call him.

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MGB8 · Post #152 » by **MGB8** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:52 pm

mack2354 wrote:
StunnerKO wrote:
BahamaBull wrote:
With all due respect but he said a bad word during a live video game stream. He didnt even know what it meant. Receive backlash of part of the fan base because of that is simply stupid...He was wrong...He apologized...He learned from it and did everything he supposed to do...Now we move on...World is soo soft nowadays...Hate it.

Read on Twitter

Doesn’t change that it happened regardless we’re it was from and he has to live with it . He’ll get another chance just not this year lol glad he’s taking steps but Leonard not making breaking a teams overall success at the end of the day for some teams to get backlash from the Jewish community.
I don't want to go too far left politics wise but nobody should be surprised. Cancel culture is after everybody but all groups aren't created equal. The Jewish community and the LGBTQ community are the top 2 groups you do not want to piss off.

His best bet is to go overseas for a year, dominate, let people forget, and wait for a desperate team to call him.

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Honestly, after the initial reaction, I haven't seen anything out of any Jewish group about Leonard.

I don't think that's the issue with him. Nick Cannon was far worse and was back within a couple of months. I think the issue is limitations on Meyers' ability - he was never able to become more than a fairly deep bench player, when he got more time, he didn't do much with it. He had a lot of promise coming in but it never really materialized.

ChettheJet · Post #153 » by **ChettheJet** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:53 pm

sco wrote:His mistakes aside, bringing in another C would be a bit of an indictment on signing Marko and would have too many C-only roster spots tied up. I'm not sold on Marko yet, but can live with him as our 3rd C.

I don't think anybody in the FO thinks they've seen enough of Simonovic to know what he can do in the league or if they made a mistake. That's likely why they only gave him a one year deal. But it's also why they can't afford to sign another C only guy, I would think Theis was the perfect fit but next in line would be as close to him as they can find. I'm not opposed to signing Milsap but they still need someone else. I'd like to see if DJJ is of interest to MINN for Vanderbuilt and pair him with Milsap or Aldridge whose name hasn't come up anywhere lately.

I still look at the overload they have in the front court at WASH with so many multi year contracts. Kuzma, Harrell, Hachimura, 2nd rounder Todd, and that's listing Bertans at the SF with Avdija and first rounder Kispert.

I'd call the Knicks who just resigned Gibson, extended Randle, could they send Toppin here in exchange for DJJ who is Thibs' kind of player?

Think about CHA, Plumlee, Washington, McDaniels, 1st round Kai, 2nd round Thor

There are players out there that will be on the move, there's no upside to just getting somebody quickly, look at what AK has pulled out of his hat already

Post #154 » by **DASMACKDOWN** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:01 pm

I wouldnt mind Noah Vonleh being back. Mainly because I dont feel we have a dire need for a big. We just need someone to come in in specific situations to rebound, block a shot and to be big on defense.

kodo · Post #155 » by **kodo** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:47 pm

Millsap for BAE would be an amazing get, especially given GS & Brooklyn want him.
I guess it would be a "Hey Paul, remember when I gave you $30M a year? How about you return the favor" because I don't know why he'd sign in Chicago over Brooklyn.

nomorezorro · Post #156 » by **nomorezorro** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:27 pm

one reason he might sign in chicago over brooklyn is that we can pay him more money

drosestruts · Post #157 » by **drosestruts** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:57 pm

I don't think Marko Simonivic should dictate whether we do or do not add a player to this roster.

Even if you view him as a center only - Meyers Leonard in my eyes is better than both Tony Bradley and Marko Simonivic. There are no entitlement minutes on this roster anymore, you don't make the moves we've made then hand development minutes to someone. Marko can earn minutes in practice or through development in the G-league.

I also think you could sign him for the minimum leaving the BAE or the Theis trade exception open to pursuing Milsap with.

Ball/Caruso/Ayo
LaVine/White/Green
DeRozan/Jones Jr/Brown Jr/
Williams/Milsap
Vucevic/Leonard/Bradley/Simonivic

is a good roster. Certainly some positional flexibility with guys here too.

I think what Leonard did/said was stupid. It was stupid further to claim he didn't know what the word was (something I never bought). Whether you think he's some secret anti-semite or just a moron trying to be edgy using slurs while playing video games is anyone's guess.

I think he'll eventually play in the NBA again.

If he's serious about rehabilitating his image and wants to work with and learn from the Jewish community, Chicago has one of the biggest Jewish populations in the state.

We all have our lines on players' actions and whether we'd like to see them on the team we play for. I very much do not want this to turn into a debate or who's moral compass here is better. And don't want this thread getting derailed by that.

If you're still available at this point in free agency there's a reason: you're old, you suck, or there's some baggage attached to you. (or a combination of these).

I'd much rather debate the merits of Leonard getting minutes over Bradley/Simonvic - something I think right now his talent would dictate to be the best strategy for our team.

Jeffster81 · Post #158 » by **Jeffster81** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:11 pm

Fun fact: Arturas Karnisovas first act as the Denver Nuggets GM in 2017 was signing Paul Millsap. So yeah.

Jimmy Forums · Post #159 » by **Jimmy Forums** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:12 pm

holv03 wrote:Millsap to the Bulls could be our next move. Bulls will most likely use the BAE on him instead of making a sign and trade. Vanderbilt is another player we could target specially in a sign and trade.

Do you really think Vanderbilt is a possibility? I'd gotten the sense Minnesota wants to retain him, especially with it sure to be a small cap hit. Would love that, though.

BahamaBull · Post #160 » by **BahamaBull** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:26 pm

Jeffster81 wrote:Fun fact: Arturas Karnisovas first act as the Denver Nuggets GM in 2017 was signing Paul Millsap. So yeah.

Too bad we are competing with GS, Brooklyn and LA.

But yeah, in AK we trust