TMZ: Bodycam footage released from Jaxon Hayes arrest

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Read the police report. She was screaming at the top of her lungs. The cops had every right to be there

Have a link?

They have a right to be there, just not inside the house without a warrant. Otherwise, they need proof. Not just some random text.

A woman called 911 and said she received “disturbing” text messages from her cousin, who allegedly told her Hayes was “getting loud and violent”

He wasn't even home as it turns out.
https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/jaxson_hayes_arrest_video_shows_physical_altercation_with_police/s1_127_35721227

That is completely wrong....


Why are so many people commenting on things that are completely out of their depth...

A simple...and I mean SIMPLE google search explains exigent circumstances. If police are acting in good faith (the radio call that appeared to be credible information) then they can enter a place without a warrant to protect and preserve life. If the text was real and he was violent with her and she was in there bleeding in a corner it makes no sense to let him back in the house....

https://www.lacriminaldefenseattorney.com/legal-dictionary/e/exigent-circumstances/

You know damn well there would be a civil suit if based on the information officers had they let him go back into the house while they went back to the station and spend hours typing a warrant and she was actually seriously hurt....

So, who's the victim then?

[SkyHookFTW]

Yep, stupid ass rule applied in this case. Just follow the logic for one second here:

Woman in house apparently texts her friend saying she's in trouble, and can't call the authorities.
Friend then calls cops
Cops show up and have probable cause



So, the woman can text her friend but can't text 911? You know that 911 can be texted now, right? Been that way for over 5 years. She can text but can't call 911 (even without speaking into the phone, if you call 911 and aren't responsive they'll show up). I can't imagine how this can be abused for someone you don't like...for example:


A person I dislike has drugs in their house
They're having people over
I anonymously call or text 911 off a burner and say I heard screams for help from the house
Police now have probable cause and enter his home and find drugs and he goes to jail. Probable cause (made up) but they bust him for something they never would have busted him for without that anonymous made up tip.

See where I'm going with this? Slippery slope.

What's your point? The positive of probable cause (protecting victims) is way bigger than the negative. If you don't want to be caught with drugs in your house, don't have it there.

Your argument is that someone doing something illegal could be caught... Not convincing.

Nope, you don't get the situation well enough then, there's a lot of room for abuse and people can frame other people all kinds of stuff, that's why it's a slippery slope. But as I said in my previous post, I'm making an educated guess that it's probably not possible to charge somebody with illegal activity not connected to the activity which triggered the police to enter the private property without a warrant.

This is not true. If the illegal activity/object is in plain sight the police can make an arrest. Example: The police enter a house in response to a domestic violence call and see lines of coke on a coffee table along with a few grams of meth. Someone is getting busted for drugs.

[SuppaSlick]

Have a link?

They have a right to be there, just not inside the house without a warrant. Otherwise, they need proof. Not just some random text.

He wasn't even home as it turns out.
https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/jaxson_hayes_arrest_video_shows_physical_altercation_with_police/s1_127_35721227

That is completely wrong....


Why are so many people commenting on things that are completely out of their depth...

A simple...and I mean SIMPLE google search explains exigent circumstances. If police are acting in good faith (the radio call that appeared to be credible information) then they can enter a place without a warrant to protect and preserve life. If the text was real and he was violent with her and she was in there bleeding in a corner it makes no sense to let him back in the house....

https://www.lacriminaldefenseattorney.com/legal-dictionary/e/exigent-circumstances/

You know damn well there would be a civil suit if based on the information officers had they let him go back into the house while they went back to the station and spend hours typing a warrant and she was actually seriously hurt....

So, who's the victim then?

I don't understand your question...but it sounds like your not comprehending what I'm saying.

In this case she was fine, but if they entered and she had bruises on her face or something it doesn't really matter if she didn't want to co-operate. Hes getting arrested. They need to check on her

[Ducklett]

Hayes was ofc more in the wrong, he was drunk and acting up. Don't get physical with the cops and it would've been fine.

At the same time I agree with most, the cops need to do a better job of de-escalating. Instead of continuously telling him he's wrong, the officer should have tried to explain WHY they didn't need a warrant. If he just explained that may have prevented this. Also instead of everyone reaching for him then quietly saying he's being detained, make it clear that you are detaining him and he will be put in cuffs. If people start randomly grabbing at you for apparantly no reason, you're going to resist.

At the end of the day, as an authoritative body the cops have much more responsibility to ensure situations don't end up like this. There are many idiots in the world, you need to know how to deal with them or you're pointless.

This. ive been pulled over for no reason 3 times in 3 weeks. 1st cop asked me if i made an illegal u turn, then if i had guns on me then left. Then because I fit a discription of 6'2 black athletic and a beard. Then because they thought I stole a car that was in my driveway.

I work with police for my job, but if i was pissed at my gf and the cops came yelling at me, id probably do worse. They just dont have credibility, and its not our job to fix it.

Hayes was in the wrong, but tons of people are in the wrong and dont get end up like this. The cop absolutely wasnt wrong for doing that, but it didnt need to end up like this and we cant just solely keep blaming the guy whos not supposed to be trained in de-escalation.

Police should really release the footage of good arrests and great interactions with drunk black people where they dont do this. Police do a great job for us sometimes, and they should be praised when they do just as hard as we rage when they are out of pocket.

I have been pulled over for stupid crap I didn't do all the time too when I was driving a CTS. I also got pulled over near campus when I lived near it under the auspices of "I fit the description" because I have red hair. It happens to everyone my friend.

[Ckay]

Anyone here wanna test texting 911? Come on!

[5paceman]

You clearly never said those are stereotype examples, read your **** again buddy. And even if that's the point you want to make, that is not comparable to corrupt cops. Did you see me state that corrupt cops or racist cops are only white? You brought up ethnicities here and idiotic stereotypes. There are CORRUPT COPS, period. Nothing to do with their race or colour... TERRORISTS aren't associated to religion/colour. the same with gang bangers or people who own 7/11. Come on man, you're a racist and it shows. peace.

So you lack reading comprehension? You don’t see the word NOT in front of everyone of those examples? Of course you don’t, it doesn’t fit your narrative. It doesn’t fit you reading someone pointing out how your beliefs expressed here are based on stereotypes. Maybe not the exact ones I used as examples, but fair for me to use those analogies when your view on cops presented here is a stereotypical misbelief. So continue trying to spin it so you can feel comfortable in your own skin — you do you and I will stand by unwavering what I said.

Here you go for another attempt at reading comprehension:

But the small % doesn’t shape my view of them. And I apply that logic to every profession, race, religion. I don’t let a small few dictate what is really true of whole group. Not every black person is a gang banger. Not every white person racist honky. Not every Indian runs a 7/11. Not every middle eastern is a terrorist. I recommend you rethink letting stereotypes shape your views.

Lmao okay racist azz, you do you buddy. Most cops are corrupt pigs and wannabe tough guys with a badge and gun, sorry to say!

What he actually said is, not all these people are those things although few are, so don't generalize or stereotype. Generalizing people is often the basis for racism.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

I don't understand your question...but it sounds like your not comprehending what I'm saying.

In this case she was fine, but if they entered and she had bruises on her face or something it doesn't really matter if she didn't want to co-operate. Hes getting arrested. They need to check on her

I have no problem with them showing up, I'm 100% with that.
https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/jaxson_hayes_arrest_video_shows_physical_altercation_with_police/s1_127_35721227

A woman called 911 and said she received “disturbing” text messages from her cousin, who allegedly told her Hayes was “getting loud and violent”

It's a strange time, they can't act on second hand stuff like this now.

[Harry Garris]

Watching that video alone, I completely side with Hayes.

Can you explain why? I think it's completely reasonable for cops who are responding to a domestic violence call to try to keep the guy who's drunk off his ass and out of control away from the situation. Plus, he attacked a cop unprovoked.

[MrBigShot]

If the cops needed a warrant for every potential domestic violence call they'd never be able to do anything to help victims of domestic violence.

All things considered I think the police actually handled it well.

[SCTwins]

What a dumbass. Guess he's never heard of probable cause.

Yep, stupid ass rule applied in this case. Just follow the logic for one second here:

Woman in house apparently texts her friend saying she's in trouble, and can't call the authorities.
Friend then calls cops
Cops show up and have probable cause



So, the woman can text her friend but can't text 911? You know that 911 can be texted now, right? Been that way for over 5 years. She can text but can't call 911 (even without speaking into the phone, if you call 911 and aren't responsive they'll show up). I can't imagine how this can be abused for someone you don't like...for example:


A person I dislike has drugs in their house
They're having people over
I anonymously call or text 911 off a burner and say I heard screams for help from the house
Police now have probable cause and enter his home and find drugs and he goes to jail. Probable cause (made up) but they bust him for something they never would have busted him for without that anonymous made up tip.

See where I'm going with this? Slippery slope.

I haven't looked into this, but I'm 95% the cops would need to secure a warrant for a drug bust which would require more evidence than an anonymous text.

When someone's safety could be in danger, they are damn sure going to do a wellness check.

[Wolveswin]

You clearly never said those are stereotype examples, read your **** again buddy. And even if that's the point you want to make, that is not comparable to corrupt cops. Did you see me state that corrupt cops or racist cops are only white? You brought up ethnicities here and idiotic stereotypes. There are CORRUPT COPS, period. Nothing to do with their race or colour... TERRORISTS aren't associated to religion/colour. the same with gang bangers or people who own 7/11. Come on man, you're a racist and it shows. peace.

So you lack reading comprehension? You don’t see the word NOT in front of everyone of those examples? Of course you don’t, it doesn’t fit your narrative. It doesn’t fit you reading someone pointing out how your beliefs expressed here are based on stereotypes. Maybe not the exact ones I used as examples, but fair for me to use those analogies when your view on cops presented here is a stereotypical misbelief. So continue trying to spin it so you can feel comfortable in your own skin — you do you and I will stand by unwavering what I said.

Here you go for another attempt at reading comprehension:

But the small % doesn’t shape my view of them. And I apply that logic to every profession, race, religion. I don’t let a small few dictate what is really true of whole group. Not every black person is a gang banger. Not every white person racist honky. Not every Indian runs a 7/11. Not every middle eastern is a terrorist. I recommend you rethink letting stereotypes shape your views.

Lmao okay racist azz, you do you buddy. Most cops are corrupt pigs and wannabe tough guys with a badge and gun, sorry to say!

Thanks for proving my point. Carry on, you two faced hypocrite who enjoys the safety and civility they provide day and night while you bitch and complain how they do it — while using your false narrative and wrongful acquisition to stand on your straw man pulpit hoping someone will actually think what you say is factual or right. Which it isn’t.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

So, why do they need to get in his house? If they think he's beating people wouldn't they cuff him right away?

They acknowledge it's his house. It's right in the video.

I bet it turns out these guys wanted signatures and it went sideways.

[Wolveswin]

So, why do they need to get in his house? If they think he's beating people wouldn't they cuff him right away?

They acknowledge it's his house. It's right in the video.

I bet it turns out these guys wanted signatures and it went sideways.

Who famous was at the house?

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Who famous was at the house?

Sure, I agree. Who knows the motivation though.

It's not procedure though, what they did. They didn't clearly explain what was going on. If they though he was the "perp", he wouldn't be walking around them like that. It's weird.

[Ckay]

So, why do they need to get in his house? If they think he's beating people wouldn't they cuff him right away?

They acknowledge it's his house. It's right in the video.

I bet it turns out these guys wanted signatures and it went sideways.

Who famous was at the house?

[Lalouie]

he's f'ing 6'11 and getting resistant

dumb @ss,,,anything can happen and this dude is acting tough.

lauren holiday was recounting when she and jrue encountered a situation with the law, and she was getting all po'd and loud at the officer, while jrue who knew better stayed calm and told her it's alright. it's a dangerous situation when human beings feel threatened but the last thing you want to do is appear threatening to someone WITH A FU****NG GUN

[Wolveswin]

So, why do they need to get in his house? If they think he's beating people wouldn't they cuff him right away?

They acknowledge it's his house. It's right in the video.

I bet it turns out these guys wanted signatures and it went sideways.

Who famous was at the house?

Still wondering who is famous?

[Wolveswin]

Who famous was at the house?

Sure, I agree. Who knows the motivation though.

It's not procedure though, what they did. They didn't clearly explain what was going on. If they though he was the "perp", he wouldn't be walking around them like that. It's weird.

And sadly these professionals have to perform a job under a microscope. Every video posted for a Monday morning quarterback, dime attorney, or quick to judge critic has a thought/opinion/judgement on their actions.

Could they be better? Yes. Should Hayes be better? Yes.

We should expect more of cops in every situation — assuming we provide them all with the necessary tools, training and tempered expectations. But we should expect more of every citizen when cops are involved — all citizens could be better when around law enforcement. This scenario is exhibit A.

[Lalouie]

Who famous was at the house?

Sure, I agree. Who knows the motivation though.

It's not procedure though, what they did. They didn't clearly explain what was going on. If they though he was the "perp", he wouldn't be walking around them like that. It's weird.

given the climate, they might be tippy toeing around confrontations unless it's deemed dangerous?

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

given the climate, they might be tippy toeing around confrontations unless it's deemed dangerous?

Given how tall he is, I would think he'd be restrained or at the very least asked wait at a safe distance. Given the nature of the call. At least until they figure out what's going on.