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70sFan wrote:Wallace_Wallace wrote:They cannot shoot better than JJ Redick.
I'm not sure I agree, there were quite a few amazing shooters back then.
Hes_On_Fire wrote:90's guys can't play in today's league? Is that the new narrative now?
Can't wait for another 10 years when the "2000's guys couldn't play in the 2030's!" comes out from people who are trying to sound smarter than they are.
DaPessimist wrote:Yes, I'm sure Kareem and Dr. J would ride the bench in the modern NBA.
Wallace_Wallace wrote:dhsilv2 wrote:Statlanta wrote:On one hand he’s right. There were players who only used one hand to dribble even with those dribbling rules. On the other hand J.J, would have no role pre-merger because there is no 3pt line. He wouldn’t be able to make the league because his role didn’t exist in the 70’s.
Did you see JJ in college? The guy can play. In those past eras where they let non stars shoot elsewhere and more often. He'd still be a monster in the 70's. JJ's a vastly better offensive player than nearly anyone who wasn't a top 3 rotation guy in the league in most of those eras. Maybe a stretch in the 60's before they over expanded where he might not be. But otherwise, you think JJ can't score like Greer or Sam Jones? Two hall guys.
JJ Redick is the one of most lethal college shooters of all time.
I swear people think if shooters were to go back in time, they wouldn't be able to shoot. If no one bothers to guarding them beyond 20 feet, every shot would be a practice shot for them. They wouldn't have to worry about getting hurt by driving to the basket (Curry), nor have to work as hard by running endless around screens (Miller/Allen/Thompson/Redick).
GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:Today Kareem sky hook would be low percentage shot you'd give him. No question about that. People act like he didn't miss it. He hit it like a good shooter hits midrange. The Ewing hakeem turnaround same thing.. Today it wouldn't even be a thing. We'd encourage that shot if we were trying to beat him
dhsilv2 wrote:UcanUwill wrote:dhsilv2 wrote:
But don't you hope it's true? I'd be pretty mad if in 50 years the NBA isn't better than it is today by a hell of a lot. I'd be mad if everything isn't better. That's the whole reason we created society and we work together, to get better. Each generation should be judge on how much better the next generation is from them. The bigger the gap the more successful that generation was. Not the other way around.
Yeah, but how much better it will get realistically, I think less so than future people will believe, which applies to people today too. There are fools who say Mitchel Robinson would be Wilt if you put him in his era, just like people in 50 years will probably point to their version of Doug MacDermott and say he would be Luka Doncic in 2020. Luka is not super athletic not in great shape, so any future scrub would be Luka just like any athletic Freak center would be WIlt, right? You get what I am trying to say? People always underrate past athletes.
Nobody who's listening to what JJ said would ever reference an allstar player, so I don't understand why you're mentioning wilt and luka. They're not part of this topic.
But I hope scouting gets better. Game theory gets better. Development improves. blah blah blah. I expect everything going into going from a kid to adult to a player to the game improves.
Luka is a comically underrated athlete because people over value speed and jumping and don't understand core, leg strength, stability, hand size, center of gravity, and another 100 things we could get into. Nobody has said that athletics ability alone has driven this change...that's people taking trying to add context and making assumptions to what was said.
60-70% of the league in the 50-70's eras likely won't make the league today. Some is due to athletic ability. Some is due to a lack of development and skill. Some of them were just lucky that a lot of smarter people chose going to college and getting a job over the NBA because it didn't pay that well for fringe athletes, but if you weren't smart enough to be successful elsewhere, the NBA was a pretty good deal.
I hope over the next 50 years we see a huge uptick in athletic talent by finding those "50 Gainnis's in Africa" that the league has missed out on. But I also hope analytics keep evolving and skill keeps increasing. I hope nutrition in developing countries keeps enhancing, etc. If I'm watching the NBA in 50 years (and wow I'm alive? Winning!) and I have the idea that "wow I think Taj Gibson could be a key starter for a title time" I'll be depressed as hell. I hope you would be too.
C3H6N6O6 wrote:Most role players including the some of the good ones from even 80s and 90s wouldn't make the NBA roster today.
Do people on this forum not get that there are way more people across the globe trying to play in the NBA than at any time in the past? That alone makes the league better.
The Birds and Jordans would adjust to any era but others would really struggle.
70sFan wrote:Wallace_Wallace wrote:They cannot shoot better than JJ Redick.
I'm not sure I agree, there were quite a few amazing shooters back then.
KIRAG wrote:I don't know about that..
Bob Cousy will be a star in today's NBA if Lamelo Ball is, and today they have better shoes, better facilities, support etc
Statlanta wrote:Wallace_Wallace wrote:dhsilv2 wrote:
Did you see JJ in college? The guy can play. In those past eras where they let non stars shoot elsewhere and more often. He'd still be a monster in the 70's. JJ's a vastly better offensive player than nearly anyone who wasn't a top 3 rotation guy in the league in most of those eras. Maybe a stretch in the 60's before they over expanded where he might not be. But otherwise, you think JJ can't score like Greer or Sam Jones? Two hall guys.
JJ Redick is the one of most lethal college shooters of all time.
I swear people think if shooters were to go back in time, they wouldn't be able to shoot. If no one bothers to guarding them beyond 20 feet, every shot would be a practice shot for them. They wouldn't have to worry about getting hurt by driving to the basket (Curry), nor have to work as hard by running endless around screens (Miller/Allen/Thompson/Redick).
JJ was drafted to my NBA team(Magic). I know his journey. If SVG would sit him then you best believe teams with lesser knowledge than the 2000s era would barely play/develop him given the difference between his college career and his early NBA career
RedSalsa wrote:C3H6N6O6 wrote:Most role players including the some of the good ones from even 80s and 90s wouldn't make the NBA roster today.
Do people on this forum not get that there are way more people across the globe trying to play in the NBA than at any time in the past? That alone makes the league better.
The Birds and Jordans would adjust to any era but others would really struggle.
Bull
NiceLikeChrist wrote:We are going to deeply regret this. We traded away the best player in the trade and still had to give up a great role player AND a pick?
so many people are going to eat their words about randle
Why would he add something that is ignorant and stupid to say?draftnightsuit wrote:He’s 100% correct but he should’ve added the 80s and 90s to the list.
