We are not going to win a championship this year

[gigantes]

Idk why a Harden swap for Ben is seen as better besides defense(which could’ve been gotten trading Joe and Co for better fit)...

Yeah, Simmons is a head case too. I would just hope that the lack of scrutiny that the Nets get from the local media will allow him to just focus on basketball.

Besides being a headcase and a guy who shrinks on the big stage (er, plus a mentally-blocked shooter), the thing that really scares me about Simmon is that he may also be vastly overrated as a passer.

There was a pretty good Reddit analysis thread maybe half a year ago examining the issue, and the analysis suggested that Simmons' assists tend to be pretty obvious in nature, and moreso down to his height and time spent holding the ball than raw passing ability. In the end, I think the general conclusion was that he's a pretty good passer for a forward, but nowhere near the average traditional PG in that dept.

Which suggests to me that KD should firmly remain the point-forward, with Simmons doing what he's good at on O, i.e. moving & cutting, putting pressure on the defense from the inside to guard easy buckets in the paint, while KD & the shooters dismantle the opponent from the outside. And then you have a killer wing and all-around defender on the other side of the ball.

The question to me is: will Simmons' ego accommodate such a thing? I feel very unsure about that under Nash, or maybe even the next creampuff Nets coach. Simmons' agent seems like a complete cancer, so it wouldn't surprise me for Ben to sample the Nets for ~half a season, then start pouting all over again.

Actually no, it's probably not so much that the latter would happen, moreso that he'd be babied too much under Nets coaching, remaining a subpar version of what he could be, sabotaging the Nets in the end, not unlike Kyrie.

Maybe this is some fool's gold here, is what I'm thinking.

[Jay555]

Idk why a Harden swap for Ben is seen as better besides defense(which could’ve been gotten trading Joe and Co for better fit)...

Yeah, Simmons is a head case too. I would just hope that the lack of scrutiny that the Nets get from the local media will allow him to just focus on basketball.

Actually no, it's probably not so much that the latter would happen, moreso that he'd be babied too much under Nets coaching, remaining a subpar version of what he could be, sabotaging the Nets in the end, not unlike Kyrie.

That's the most scary part.

[Jay555]

This is a great read.

https://www.netsdaily.com/2022/2/5/22919009/we-knew-this-was-the-deal-a-rumination-on-stardom

[HardenGoat]

Bucks fan here. Serious question.

The overwhelming sentiment on this site is that Nash is a horrible coach and primarily responsible for the Nets not being better.

To me, the only measure of the quality of a coach is what he does with the talent he has. Last season, if KD was an inch more behind the line, the Nets probably win a championship. So if the Nets, with only one and a half of their stars available to play, almost beat the Bucks, what does it say about the Bucks coach?

Or to put it another way, without the Nets three stars being healthy, I thought the Bucks had much more talent last year, yet almost lost to the Nets. That isn't the work of a lousy coach. My guess is your answer is that they almost won despite Nash, but that seems to me a rationalization, rather than an analysis. If Nash gets the blame for this year, then he must get credit for almost beating a more talent rich squad last year.

If you take the best coaches in the NBA (not necessarily the winningest, rather those that raise the talent above their natural level), I don't see any of them winning a championship with the Nets with two of the Nets stars out or at 50%. Is Nash a great coach? Obviously not, but there aren't many great coaches- only a few.

As others have said Dantoni not being here this year has fully exposed Nash but …. The truth is Durant remains in a stratosphere beyond any player we currently have in the NBA. He is skilled, clutch, and competes at the highest level despite what surrounds him. He is still the best player in the league and it’s not even close. Giannis and every NBA player knows this. Nash is actually to blame last year as well, not to be commended. He ran Harris with flat tires all the way into the ground until the rims were melting. He did that despite having legitimate help sitting right next to him with fresh legs and recent success. Nash is a good players coach, but he does not know how to manage minutes or rotations or know when to step in and make adjustments. Other good coaches do just that against him.

[Jay555]

Bucks fan here. Serious question.

The overwhelming sentiment on this site is that Nash is a horrible coach and primarily responsible for the Nets not being better.

To me, the only measure of the quality of a coach is what he does with the talent he has. Last season, if KD was an inch more behind the line, the Nets probably win a championship. So if the Nets, with only one and a half of their stars available to play, almost beat the Bucks, what does it say about the Bucks coach?

Or to put it another way, without the Nets three stars being healthy, I thought the Bucks had much more talent last year, yet almost lost to the Nets. That isn't the work of a lousy coach. My guess is your answer is that they almost won despite Nash, but that seems to me a rationalization, rather than an analysis. If Nash gets the blame for this year, then he must get credit for almost beating a more talent rich squad last year.

If you take the best coaches in the NBA (not necessarily the winningest, rather those that raise the talent above their natural level), I don't see any of them winning a championship with the Nets with two of the Nets stars out or at 50%. Is Nash a great coach? Obviously not, but there aren't many great coaches- only a few.

As others have said Dantoni not being here this year has fully exposed Nash but …. The truth is Durant remains in a stratosphere beyond any player we currently have in the NBA. He is skilled, clutch, and competes at the highest level despite what surrounds him. He is still the best player in the league and it’s not even close. Giannis and every NBA player knows this. Nash is actually to blame last year as well, not to be commended. He ran Harris with flat tires all the way into the ground until the rims were melting. He did that despite having legitimate help sitting right next to him with fresh legs and recent success. Nash is a good players coach, but he does not know how to manage minutes or rotations or know when to step in and make adjustments. Other good coaches do just that against him.

No, it's now evident that Nash is not even a players coach. He is supposed to handle egos but look where we are now.
Nash is just a face on the courtside.

[Pablo Escobar]

Kyrie destroys yet another franchise.. Dude needs to be shipped out asap. Go do your part time job elsewhere.

[Jay555]

Kyrie destroys yet another franchise.. Dude needs to be shipped out asap. Go do your part time job elsewhere.

No takers sorry.

There is a reason he's not offered a contract extension but I guess Nets are stuck with him anyways.

[HardenGoat]

Kyrie destroys yet another franchise.. Dude needs to be shipped out asap. Go do your part time job elsewhere.

No takers sorry.

There is a reason he's not offered a contract extension but I guess Nets are stuck with him anyways.

What’s amazing is he asked for an extension when the pandemic hit. Imagine being hogtied by someone that knew they weren’t going to get vaccinated and play at home with a long term contract in place! That’s scary **** right there

[Jay555]

Ok KD basically tells Kyrie to be committed. But will he?

Read on Twitter

[Paradise]

Kyrie destroys yet another franchise.. Dude needs to be shipped out asap. Go do your part time job elsewhere.

Again, what does Kyrie have to do with a man who is clearly showing the same lack of leadership and overall just not buying in? What does Kyrie have to do with HIS level of play? It’s lousy for a guy commanding 60 million **** dollars a year. What planet are you all on?

You all could keep playing this bull game but only ONE guys here registered 4 points against the Kings and no showed with random injuries that seem real suspect now. He’s asking for 60 million dollar extension and showing FAR from what we expected. You can continue to play the vaccination card and it won’t work because that isn’t even the SOLE why Harden wants out. At least, Kyrie has shown up in every game this season. Harden has sucked WITH Kyrie, KD and WITHOUT KD, Kyrie. He is not the same guy.

Sick of this forum drowning in Harden’s jock strap when this man can’t even drop 50 or 40 in one **** game at Barclays in a YEAR. Yet, it’s Kyrie or KD or someone else’s fault that Harden is clearly delusional to his own decline or lack of effort to be asking out before even being the best version of himself.

Nets fans destroy their own franchise with poor emotional takes like this. This is why, this forum is a **** ghost town in a championship season. This place is a cesspool compared to worse seasons. I’ve seen the emotional pattern of embarrassing takes here. End it.

This is strictly a Harden issue and he has no business calling any demands within 1 year of pedestrian star play after giving up ENDLESS amount of 1st round picks and young players.

[Paradise]

Ok KD basically tells Kyrie to be committed. But will he?

Read on Twitter

Where did you get Kyrie in that post? He’s the only reason we aren’t getting blown out on the road. Mind boggling delusion here. One guy is pushing the media to discuss trades for Ben Simmons, contract extensions, downright not liking NYC and hasn’t fanned any of it with his Twitter page either….Yet, it’s not Kyrie.

Is the reading comprehension that bad?

[MrDollarBills]

Let's give Kyrie a cookie for showing up in...11 games everyone. And we've gone 4-7 in those games. Kyrie isn't moving the needle either.

Jesus christ. Harden is not above getting called out but the mental gymnastics yall do on here to defend Mr. Part Time are a bit much.

[Stone]

What are the chances that Harden stays and resigns with us in the off season?

If Hardens gripe is with the way he is being used, then that's on Nash. If the problem is Nash which most of us seem to be in agreement with. Would a Head Coach change be what is needed to get the team back on the same page?

These guys are smart enough to know that a 7 game losing streak in February is bad but its not the end of the world. In the playoffs everyone 0-0. I just can't see them blowing a golden opportunity to win it all. That is of corse if Nash is the problem and it not Kyrie.

Like Harden himself said 'Don't trust it if you didn't hear it from me'

[HardenGoat]

This is purely a Kyrie issue right now. It always has been from the day he promised the team he would get vaccinated but then reneged. He has to make that step, the one he promised, the one that shows he is committed to joining the team full time to win every game possible. It’s that simple. Nash isn’t the greatest coach, but he’s there every game, shows up to work every day, and is 100 percent committed to winning. He is not the biggest issue right now. Kyrie is.

[Stone]

The problem could and probably is both Nash and Kyrie.

I truly believe the vaccine mandates will be lifted before the playoffs. But who knows.

With KD using the word committed that has to be a message to Ky.

I highly doubt the Nets are going to make a move that KD publicly said he does not want Marks to make.

[HardenGoat]

[MrDollarBills]

The problem could and probably is both Nash and Kyrie.

I truly believe the vaccine mandates will be lifted before the playoffs. But who knows.

With KD using the word committed that has to be a message to Ky.

I highly doubt the Nets are going to make a move that KD publicly said he does not want Marks to make.

KD has to provide some leadership.

Either Kyrie needs to make himself a full time player, or he needs to find somewhere else to go.

I don't think KD and Harden have beef at all. It's Kyrie and Nash that is messing this all up.

[Paradise]

The problem could and probably is both Nash and Kyrie.

I truly believe the vaccine mandates will be lifted before the playoffs. But who knows.

With KD using the word committed that has to be a message to Ky.

I highly doubt the Nets are going to make a move that KD publicly said he does not want Marks to make.

You think James is committed? lol

Watch KD’s podcast and his interviews since 2022 and you will quickly see who he’s clearly talking about. KD doesn’t look at Kyrie the same way that he looks at Harden.

He doesn’t sound like a guy who cares much about Harden in the same conversation as Kyrie’s skills. Harden will stay unless someone stokes his FA ego and he hasn’t done **** to desire that kind of treatment. Regardless, of Kyrie’s status on vaccines. He could’ve pushed him out but he hasn’t and continued to push back on the idea of trading him, correct? He still continues to call him a savant, a magician. He looks at Kyrie way more as an equal than Harden. There’s a reason this is happening on Harden’s end. It likely was going to happen with or without a title.

Let’s be honest and I can pull more quotes and video footage to confirm it than you think. I don’t even have to go further than one month of podcasts. I don’t feel sorry for Nets fans who are still don’t get it.

Nets fans just don’t want to admit KD would prefer Kyrie than Harden, if it came down to it. I’m not childish to put vaccine policy and other political and personal perspective away from common sense basketball evaluation. There’s no evidence to suggest or support KD loves Harden here enough to boot Kyrie and his anti vax idealisms to another team and if it came down to that, great but that isn’t reality.

Quite frankly, this is the same place who crapped on me defending drafting LeVert, Jarrett Allen and plenty more. Same place I was suspended in 2016 for suggesting in an heated argument, that we COULD land KD because everyone including moderators claimed I was being a bias fan, homer or a delusional fan.

How did that turn out?

[Pablo Escobar]

Kyrie destroys yet another franchise.. Dude needs to be shipped out asap. Go do your part time job elsewhere.

Again, what does Kyrie have to do with a man who is clearly showing the same lack of leadership and overall just not buying in? What does Kyrie have to do with HIS level of play? It’s lousy for a guy commanding 60 million **** dollars a year. What planet are you all on?

You all could keep playing this bull game but only ONE guys here registered 4 points against the Kings and no showed with random injuries that seem real suspect now. He’s asking for 60 million dollar extension and showing FAR from what we expected. You can continue to play the vaccination card and it won’t work because that isn’t even the SOLE why Harden wants out. At least, Kyrie has shown up in every game this season. Harden has sucked WITH Kyrie, KD and WITHOUT KD, Kyrie. He is not the same guy.

Sick of this forum drowning in Harden’s jock strap when this man can’t even drop 50 or 40 in one **** game at Barclays in a YEAR. Yet, it’s Kyrie or KD or someone else’s fault that Harden is clearly delusional to his own decline or lack of effort to be asking out before even being the best version of himself.

Nets fans destroy their own franchise with poor emotional takes like this. This is why, this forum is a **** ghost town in a championship season. This place is a cesspool compared to worse seasons. I’ve seen the emotional pattern of embarrassing takes here. End it.

This is strictly a Harden issue and he has no business calling any demands within 1 year of pedestrian star play after giving up ENDLESS amount of 1st round picks and young players.

I'm not the biggest Harden fan in general. He gets buckets at will and has improved a lot more as a pg. But the foul baiting and flopping isn't something I enjoy watching as a casual fan. He hasn't played well this year for sure but at least he's out there the majority of the time. I think he'd look a lot better if he took off half the season and played only road games as well. Also he's usually the main or 2nd option when he's out there while Kyrie enjoys being the 2nd or 3rd option every night. His job is to score while Harden has to score and facilitate the entire teams offense.

I'm a kd fan and want him to win but you gotta call a spade a spade. Wherever Kyrie goes he just causes problems and does he even deserve a ring? part time player who has made it clear that basketball is a side thing he does as a hobby. Harden definitely deserves blame and needs to get his ass in shape and if he gets traded it isn't the end of the world. But Kyrie needs to go as well cause dude is just a problem and isn't all in to win a title.

[Stone]

The problem could and probably is both Nash and Kyrie.

I truly believe the vaccine mandates will be lifted before the playoffs. But who knows.

With KD using the word committed that has to be a message to Ky.

I highly doubt the Nets are going to make a move that KD publicly said he does not want Marks to make.

You think James is committed? lol

Watch KD’s podcast and his interviews since 2022 and you will quickly see who he’s clearly talking about. KD doesn’t look at Kyrie the same way that he looks at Harden.

He doesn’t sound like a guy who cares much about Harden in the same conversation as Kyrie’s skills. Regardless, of Kyrie’s status on vaccines. He could’ve pushed him out but he hasn’t and pushed back on the idea of trading him, correct? He still continues to call him a savant, a magician. He looks at Kyrie way more as an equal than Harden. There’s a reason this is happening on Harden’s end. It likely was going to happen with or without a title.

Let’s be honest and I can pull more quotes and video footage to confirm it than you think. I don’t even have to go further than one month of podcasts.

You make a good point, Kyrie is, as KD said a savant and Magician. Players like him do not come around too often. He is in he company of AI, Zeke, Tiny Archibold.......But , Harden is also a Hall if fame, and still one of the top players in the league. Look at all we gave up to get him, you have to think KD cosigned on it.

But I will listen to those podcasts.

Also, how about making tomorrows GT.?....We need to get the mojo back.....