Jokic officially averaging a triple double

[hardenASG13]

Let me get this straight, you're arguing that Jamal Murray is a better player than Jimmy Butler and James Harden? You don't think either of those guys could take over as a leading scorer in the playoffs?

And how is Jokic losing in the playoffs without the second and third best players to the eventual champs a reasonable argument exactly?

No, I'm stating what Jamal Murray did in the 2020 playoffs, not what anyone could do (I dont recall Butler doing that on philly in the playoffs or Harden doing it last year. Am I mis remembering? Or did they have multiple 50 point games, plus over 40 in 2 others , with 3 of those 4 being elimination games including a game 7, and average 26ppg?). That was the one conference finals among Jokic and Embiid.

The guy you're arguing with brought up a good point. Embiid doesn't make his teammates better, that's why they don't explode the way Murray did in the bubble. The second Butler got away from Embiid he was putting up 26/9/10 in the Finals against LeBron.

Why are you even in this thread? To keep making the case that non-allstar Murray is a superior teammate to anyone Embiid has ever played with? LOL, unhinged!

Embiid very clearly makes his teammates better, as do all superstars. It's not unique to Jokic, and there is nothing to say he does to a level better than anyone else. You think Murray did what he did because of Jokic? Did you not watch "LOL"?

I was in the thread to counter a Jokic Homer who was acting like him making a WCF makes him better than Embiid because Embiid hasn't made a conference finals, falling in 7 to the eventual champion raptors on the road in a game 7 as the closest he's got. I'm referencing Murray to show why Jokic made that conference finals, and am pointing out that nobody on Embiids teams has ever performed like that, putting the team on their back for multiple elimination games.

Why are you here? (Also see my previous post, commenting on the other poster pointing out how ridiculous your Butler argument was. Did Jerami Grant go from 12 to 20ppg the second he got away from Jokic because Jokic was holding him back? "LOL")

[realball]

He made a very reasonable counter and you comeback with a jab about Embiid, because you know it was true. You should laugh at yourself. Also embiid never had a teammate dropping multiple 50 point games and taking over as the leading scorer on his team in the playoffs. Jokic did in his historic 1 trip to the WCF, where they had the luxury of coming back from 3-1 twice without having to play road elimination games.

Let me get this straight, you're arguing that Jamal Murray is a better player than Jimmy Butler and James Harden? You don't think either of those guys could take over as a leading scorer in the playoffs?

And how is Jokic losing in the playoffs without the second and third best players to the eventual champs a reasonable argument exactly?

No, I'm stating what Jamal Murray did in the 2020 playoffs, not what anyone could do (I dont recall Butler doing that on philly in the playoffs or Harden doing it last year. Am I mis remembering? Or did they have multiple 50 point games, plus over 40 in 2 others , with 3 of those 4 being elimination games including a game 7, and average 26ppg?). That was the one conference finals among Jokic and Embiid.

You said Embiid never had a player take over as the leading scorer in the playoffs... Butler was literally the leading scorer in the Raptors series, while Embiid was getting sonned by Gasol.

You think on hot series makes Jamal Murray better than James Harden and Jimmy Butler? What are you trying to argue here?

Jokic has never played with another All-Star, Embiid has had multiple All-NBA players on his team at once and still never made a conference finals.

[Peregrine01]

I doubt that there is a GM that would have ever given up any of Harden, Jimmy or even Ben Simmons for Jamal Murray at any point. The talent that Embiid has been able to play with has just been on a different level from what Jokic has had.

[hardenASG13]

Let me get this straight, you're arguing that Jamal Murray is a better player than Jimmy Butler and James Harden? You don't think either of those guys could take over as a leading scorer in the playoffs?

And how is Jokic losing in the playoffs without the second and third best players to the eventual champs a reasonable argument exactly?

No, I'm stating what Jamal Murray did in the 2020 playoffs, not what anyone could do (I dont recall Butler doing that on philly in the playoffs or Harden doing it last year. Am I mis remembering? Or did they have multiple 50 point games, plus over 40 in 2 others , with 3 of those 4 being elimination games including a game 7, and average 26ppg?). That was the one conference finals among Jokic and Embiid.

You said Embiid never had a player take over as the leading scorer in the playoffs... Butler was literally the leading scorer in the Raptors series, while Embiid was getting sonned by Gasol.

You think on hot series makes Jamal Murray better than James Harden and Jimmy Butler? What are you trying to argue here?

Jokic has never played with another All-Star, Embiid has had multiple All-NBA players on his team at once and still never made a conference finals.

Butlers high game in that series was 30. It's a little different than multiple 50s and 2 in the 40's, 3 of those 4 being elimination games and over 40 in a game 7.

Yes embiid had a bad series. But I'm not on here claiming him as all time great, like Jokic supporters on Herr for him. I'm pointing out they are very similar to this point in their careers.

Of course Murray hasn't had the career Butler and Harden have, nor have I argued it. I'm commenting that during Jokics 1 trip to the western conference finals, he had a teammate doing historic stuff.

[Snakebites]

Can’t wait for the Jokic haters who previously said he was only good in “meaningless analytics” to now decry the overrated nature of counting stats where Jokic is concerned.

[JN61]

RGM ''analytics'' posters are in absolute shambles now that Jokic is averaging TD. All kinds of mental gymnastics going in this thread to try discredit players.

[armin-x]

also yet another season where he averages bellow 1.0 blocks per game. I guess he can't stat-padding that stat.

[MavsDirk41]

Well on his way to his 3rd consecutive MVP. Between him and Giannis for best player in the league.

[realball]

No, I'm stating what Jamal Murray did in the 2020 playoffs, not what anyone could do (I dont recall Butler doing that on philly in the playoffs or Harden doing it last year. Am I mis remembering? Or did they have multiple 50 point games, plus over 40 in 2 others , with 3 of those 4 being elimination games including a game 7, and average 26ppg?). That was the one conference finals among Jokic and Embiid.

You said Embiid never had a player take over as the leading scorer in the playoffs... Butler was literally the leading scorer in the Raptors series, while Embiid was getting sonned by Gasol.

You think on hot series makes Jamal Murray better than James Harden and Jimmy Butler? What are you trying to argue here?

Jokic has never played with another All-Star, Embiid has had multiple All-NBA players on his team at once and still never made a conference finals.

Butlers high game in that series was 30. It's a little different than multiple 50s and 2 in the 40's, 3 of those 4 being elimination games and over 40 in a game 7.

Yes embiid had a bad series. But I'm not on here claiming him as all time great, like Jokic supporters on Herr for him. I'm pointing out they are very similar to this point in their careers.

Of course Murray hasn't had the career Butler and Harden have, nor have I argued it. I'm commenting that during Jokics 1 trip to the western conference finals, he had a teammate doing historic stuff.

Murray averaged 22 ppg vs. the Clippers, same as Butler did against the Raptors. How much help does Embiid need exactly? What about this season? How is Jokic leading his team to the best record despite his second option averaging less ppg than Embiid's third option?

Jokic is an all-time great, he's going to be a 3-time MVP. You don't think that makes him an all-time great? Embiid is also an all-time great too, it's just that everyone with a brain realizes that Jokic is way higher up on the list.

[LessEyeTest]

Embiid will retire a damn good superstar! He won't end up being more than a footnote in history a la Patrick Ewing, but that's only because he had a superior player at his position in Jokic (Hakeem). It doesn't mean he wasn't a top of the food chain guy himself, but it means there was just someone better.

People have to accept it. Heck, this year the supposed MVP candidate isn't even starting the all-star game! C'mon now...be realistic lol

[AleksandarN]

also yet another season where he averages bellow 1.0 blocks per game. I guess he can't stat-padding that stat.

Lmao tell me what stat padding has Jokic done?

[ty 4191]

also yet another season where he averages bellow 1.0 blocks per game. I guess he can't stat-padding that stat.

Lmao tell me what stat padding has Jokic done?

Since he's currently at 29.0/12.8/9.8, bump this up.

Simply incredible.

[Champ1on]

IMO Wesbtrook was more impressive. Much more inefficient, but for guard to average that, and 31 ppg. He was also hitting more 3s and averaged more assists. True carry job.

Wait are people seriously believing the Westbrook triple double was more impressive?? Wasn't his team actively trying to help him get the stats. I remember end of games where no one on his team would actively go for the rebound just so Westbrook could get it. The coaches also kept him in games that were over and the winning team already put in the bench players and he was getting his stats on the b teams. People actually think that is impressive???

[Ryoga Hibiki]

IMO Wesbtrook was more impressive. Much more inefficient, but for guard to average that, and 31 ppg. He was also hitting more 3s and averaged more assists. True carry job.

Wait are people seriously believing the Westbrook triple double was more impressive?? Wasn't his team actively trying to help him get the stats. I remember end of games where no one on his team would actively go for the rebound just so Westbrook could get it. The coaches also kept him in games that were over and the winning team already put in the bench players and he was getting his stats on the b teams. People actually think that is impressive???

not people, him.
in particular at the time, he had a very strong agenda supporting Embiid candidacy.

[ShaqAttac]

Jokbrook

[Calvin Klein]

IMO Wesbtrook was more impressive. Much more inefficient, but for guard to average that, and 31 ppg. He was also hitting more 3s and averaged more assists. True carry job.

Wait are people seriously believing the Westbrook triple double was more impressive?? Wasn't his team actively trying to help him get the stats. I remember end of games where no one on his team would actively go for the rebound just so Westbrook could get it. The coaches also kept him in games that were over and the winning team already put in the bench players and he was getting his stats on the b teams. People actually think that is impressive???

I like Westbrook. But I remember games where he was actively passing open layups in order to get assists. One against Phoenix where the Suns stopped guarding him because they knew he was hunting assists to get the triple double. It was quite ridiculous.

A TRUE carry job is winning the championship the way Jokic did. By making every teammate better.

[ty 4191]

A TRUE carry job is winning the championship the way Jokic did. By making every teammate better.

Veritas!!! 2021-2022 Jokic takes a team of truly horrendous players to 48 wins. The second BEST player on the team, Aaron Gordon, was exactly league average PER and WS/48. Everyone else was godawful. Will Barton your third best player!? LMAO! Where's he even playing now, some obscure league in Europe or Asia?

And last year. 30/13.5/9.5, leading all players in points, assists, and rebounds in the playoffs (never been done before), on 54/46(!)/80 splits in 20 games!

Imagine this guy on the Suns, Bucks, even 76ers the last 4 seasons?

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[Ryoga Hibiki]

This is not true, DeAndre is an All Star as was Cousins

[maxpower8888]

This is not true, DeAndre is an All Star as was Cousins

I think they would have to be All-Stars while being his teammates, rather than at just some point during their career.

[Aeternus]

This is not true, DeAndre is an All Star as was Cousins

I don't think it counts appearances while not being teammates, otherwise KG wouldn't be at two.
Szczerbiak, Billups, Brandon, Marbury, etc