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Post#141 » by jbk1234 » Wed May 7, 2025 3:00 pm

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jbk1234 wrote:Well, that one hurt. Jerome picked a heck of a time to regress. We didn't miss Mobley nearly as much as I thought we would. Mitchell made a lot of fatigue induced mistakes at the end. I don't understand how Haliburton gets that call with seconds left in Cleveland, especially with how the game was called.
9 of 34, guy can't buy a basket right now.

I wish we could collectively find our 3 ball in this series, it has been a great equalizer all season for us.


You've got to give some credit to the Pacers defense, but we're losing this series if Garland doesn't come back.
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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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Re: 2025 Playoffs ECSF: Cavs (1) / Pacers (4) (0-2) 

Post#142 » by ijspeelman » Wed May 7, 2025 3:10 pm

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ijspeelman wrote:Probably too much information, but I had a legit anxiety attack when that game ended lol. These games do so much to my stress levels


I've been reflecting on whether my level of fandom is healthy tbh.


There is reasons I've taken breaks in the past. Just had that convo with my gf yesterday again lol

I think the issue is I care too much so I also can't just not care and give it up
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Post#143 » by jbk1234 » Wed May 7, 2025 3:14 pm

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ijspeelman wrote:Probably too much information, but I had a legit anxiety attack when that game ended lol. These games do so much to my stress levels


I've been reflecting on whether my level of fandom is healthy tbh.


There is reasons I've taken breaks in the past. Just had that convo with my gf yesterday again lol

I think the issue is I care too much so I also can't just not care and give it up


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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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Post#144 » by ijspeelman » Wed May 7, 2025 3:29 pm

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I've been reflecting on whether my level of fandom is healthy tbh.


There is reasons I've taken breaks in the past. Just had that convo with my gf yesterday again lol

I think the issue is I care too much so I also can't just not care and give it up


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Post#145 » by JujitsuFlip » Wed May 7, 2025 3:33 pm

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jbk1234 wrote:Well, that one hurt. Jerome picked a heck of a time to regress. We didn't miss Mobley nearly as much as I thought we would. Mitchell made a lot of fatigue induced mistakes at the end. I don't understand how Haliburton gets that call with seconds left in Cleveland, especially with how the game was called.
9 of 34, guy can't buy a basket right now.

I wish we could collectively find our 3 ball in this series, it has been a great equalizer all season for us.


You've got to give some credit to the Pacers defense, but we're losing this series if Garland doesn't come back.
Seems we've been missing some wide open ones but we'll see if we ever hit that 40% mark from 3 this series or not.

I'll be in Indy on Sunday either way, so, hoping for the best.
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Post#146 » by JonFromVA » Wed May 7, 2025 3:45 pm

jbk1234 wrote:Well, that one hurt. Jerome picked a heck of a time to regress. We didn't miss Mobley nearly as much as I thought we would. Mitchell made a lot of fatigue induced mistakes at the end. I don't understand how Haliburton gets that call with seconds left in Cleveland, especially with how the game was called.


On the radio they said Mitchell was cramping, so yeah, very much like some of our early LeBron games where we tried to squeeze everything we could out of one player.

So, maybe it's for the best we didn't foul or trap Haliburton to prevent him from shooting a 3pter, but I didn't much like seeing him ISO'd and sizing up Jerome at the end there.

As for Hali's lane violation, it wasn't too egregious considering a) he didn't get the rebound because of it and b) Jerome had him boxed out but backed off at the exact wrong moment. Kenny could be criticized for not putting another big on the line but the ball bounced to Allen's side and he and Mitchell boxed out Turner well.

There was likely a loose ball foul on Turner, though, that everyone missed because there's no reason Allen shouldn't have grabbed that rebound unless he was being held down by Turner or he thought he could just get that board without jumping.

Crazy stuff, but clearly we still have some end of game execution stuff to still work on with different combinations of players. We'd improved greatly this season, but that's with Garland and Mobley.

And next season, we'd better unveil our own full court pressure defense. It's a lot easier to come back on a team like the Pacers did to us when you can just take the ball away from the other team.
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Post#147 » by JonFromVA » Wed May 7, 2025 3:49 pm

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jbk1234 wrote:
ijspeelman wrote:Probably too much information, but I had a legit anxiety attack when that game ended lol. These games do so much to my stress levels


I've been reflecting on whether my level of fandom is healthy tbh.


There is reasons I've taken breaks in the past. Just had that convo with my gf yesterday again lol

I think the issue is I care too much so I also can't just not care and give it up


I suspect you've got to be a bit of a fatalist to survive being a Cleveland sports fan long term.

Hope for the best, be prepared for the worst.

And when the games make your eyes bleed ... don't be afraid to tune out until things improve.
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Post#148 » by toooskies » Wed May 7, 2025 4:38 pm

I'm in an odd situation where I didn't get to see the bad things happen-- I missed all of game 1 due to a social event and then got pulled away from the game last night to help my kid on a school project, so I missed the second half. So after being very invested all year I didn't even get to see what hurt so bad in real-time, I only get the disappointment without any context for it.
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Post#149 » by JujitsuFlip » Wed May 7, 2025 4:43 pm

toooskies wrote:I'm in an odd situation where I didn't get to see the bad things happen-- I missed all of game 1 due to a social event and then got pulled away from the game last night to help my kid on a school project, so I missed the second half. So after being very invested all year I didn't even get to see what hurt so bad in real-time, I only get the disappointment without any context for it.
I'm the opposite lol watched maybe 10 regular season games but have watched all 6 playoff games start to finish.
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Post#150 » by jbk1234 » Wed May 7, 2025 4:54 pm

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jbk1234 wrote:
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There is reasons I've taken breaks in the past. Just had that convo with my gf yesterday again lol

I think the issue is I care too much so I also can't just not care and give it up


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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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Post#152 » by jbk1234 » Thu May 8, 2025 12:07 am

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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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Post#153 » by jbk1234 » Thu May 8, 2025 12:13 am

I'm trying not to get too jaded about NBA officiating but I struggle to believe that the Celtics or Knicks would've had to deal with these types of officiating issues on their home court as the No. 1 seed. It's all kinds of problematic for the NBA frankly.
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Post#154 » by JujitsuFlip » Thu May 8, 2025 12:51 am

jbk1234 wrote:I'm trying not to get too jaded about NBA officiating but I struggle to believe that the Celtics or Knicks would've had to deal with these types of officiating issues on their home court as the No. 1 seed. It's all kinds of problematic for the NBA frankly.
The 2 lane violations were clear as day but the turnovers are more frustrating to me. I know the guys were fatigued, just crappy all around.

I just want to be healthy for the playoffs one time. I feel like we're caught saying 'what if' every spring.
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Post#155 » by jbk1234 » Thu May 8, 2025 5:56 pm

https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/news/cavaliers-receive-disappointing-darius-garland-injury-update-before-game-3

So this is awful. Honestly, if the Cavs are publicly downplaying injuries for the sake of confusing their opponent, they should probably stop. They just end up making their own players look bad.
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Post#156 » by JujitsuFlip » Thu May 8, 2025 6:22 pm

jbk1234 wrote:https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/news/cavaliers-receive-disappointing-darius-garland-injury-update-before-game-3

So this is awful. Honestly, if the Cavs are publicly downplaying injuries for the sake of confusing their opponent, they should probably stop. They just end up making their own players look bad.
Greenberg said something similar, i was listening to at lunch. I don't think Garland or Mobley are close to playing again.
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Post#157 » by jbk1234 » Thu May 8, 2025 6:41 pm

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jbk1234 wrote:https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/news/cavaliers-receive-disappointing-darius-garland-injury-update-before-game-3

So this is awful. Honestly, if the Cavs are publicly downplaying injuries for the sake of confusing their opponent, they should probably stop. They just end up making their own players look bad.
Greenberg said something similar, i was listening to at lunch. I don't think Garland or Mobley are close to playing again.


Mobley's not anywhere near playing. If we can get the series back for Game 5, maybe Mobley plays, but I don't see how we get to game 5 without Garland. That Game 2 loss hurt not just because you're down 0-2, or the way it was lost, but because we're basically playing to extend the series to get guys back.
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Post#158 » by JonFromVA » Thu May 8, 2025 6:44 pm

jbk1234 wrote:https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/news/cavaliers-receive-disappointing-darius-garland-injury-update-before-game-3

So this is awful. Honestly, if the Cavs are publicly downplaying injuries for the sake of confusing their opponent, they should probably stop. They just end up making their own players look bad.


They'd have him in a cast if it was that serious. From what I understand he's been testing the toe constantly and Kenny just doesn't want him out there until it's healed enough that he won't be hurting the team. No doubt the same thing will go on with Hunter and Mobley.

You can't get away with having a compromised player on the floor in this day and age it's too easy to exploit on both ends of the floor.

Kenny has already realized he may have made a mistake not trusting the end of his bench in the second half of game 2.
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Post#159 » by jbk1234 » Thu May 8, 2025 6:57 pm

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jbk1234 wrote:https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/news/cavaliers-receive-disappointing-darius-garland-injury-update-before-game-3

So this is awful. Honestly, if the Cavs are publicly downplaying injuries for the sake of confusing their opponent, they should probably stop. They just end up making their own players look bad.


They'd have him in a cast if it was that serious. From what I understand he's been testing the toe constantly and Kenny just doesn't want him out there until it's healed enough that he won't be hurting the team. No doubt the same thing will go on with Hunter and Mobley.

You can't get away with having a compromised player on the floor in this day and age it's too easy to exploit on both ends of the floor.

Kenny has already realized he may have made a mistake not trusting the end of his bench in the second half of game 2.


Yeah, I just don't know how compromised Garland is. Like difference between 50-70% is material in my mind. If he's at 50%, he can't play. If he's at 70%, he can at least come off the bench.

As far as the end of the bench guys, that's tough because they're at the end of the bench for a reason. That's even more the case with Kenny as the coach. The pace needs to change if those guys are in, especially with a lead, so that the Pacers don't peel off 9 points in 90 seconds.
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Post#160 » by JujitsuFlip » Thu May 8, 2025 7:24 pm

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jbk1234 wrote:https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/news/cavaliers-receive-disappointing-darius-garland-injury-update-before-game-3

So this is awful. Honestly, if the Cavs are publicly downplaying injuries for the sake of confusing their opponent, they should probably stop. They just end up making their own players look bad.


They'd have him in a cast if it was that serious. From what I understand he's been testing the toe constantly and Kenny just doesn't want him out there until it's healed enough that he won't be hurting the team. No doubt the same thing will go on with Hunter and Mobley.

You can't get away with having a compromised player on the floor in this day and age it's too easy to exploit on both ends of the floor.

Kenny has already realized he may have made a mistake not trusting the end of his bench in the second half of game 2.


Yeah, I just don't know how compromised Garland is. Like difference between 50-70% is material in my mind. If he's at 50%, he can't play. If he's at 70%, he can at least come off the bench.

As far as the end of the bench guys, that's tough because they're at the end of the bench for a reason. That's even more the case with Kenny as the coach. The pace needs to change if those guys are in, especially with a lead, so that the Pacers don't peel off 9 points in 90 seconds.
Man, those non Mitchell minutes were brutal in game 2. Watching Allen suck air too was rough, despite making smart play after smart play.

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