PG: Wizards blow out slumping Raptors

[Troubadour]

Barnes is the only one to have bad games?

Siakam and Banchero both shot 4-13 last night posting 11 and 13 pts.

On the season, Siakam is averaging 23 PTS / 7 REB / 4 AST on 56% TS (assisted on 42% of his 2FG and 75% of his 3FG). Barnes is averaging 19 PTS / 8 REB / 5 AST on 58% TS (assisted on 57% of his 2FG and 93% of his 3FG). They concede the same FG% at the rim as primary defenders, but Barnes averages one more block per game. Based on EPM, Siakam is vastly superior offensive player and not that far off defensively (overall EPM is 3.0 vs 1.4).

Scottie's got a longer career ahead of him. That said, he needs to win debates with Jalen Johnson and other peers before looking at players a rung or two above him.

The ENTIRE point was that other people have bad games too. You seemed to have missed that.

It's taken 5 years for JJ to have a year better than Barnes. Those first 4 years don't count?

JJ is having a great year. Why can't people just say that their were 7 great picks that year and the Raps got one of them. Some years Barnes was the best/near top of the bunch, other years it was other guys.

But again, the ENTITE point was Barnes is far from the only guy who has bad nights.

Scottie's not in the conversation with Banchero or Siakam. Not a #1 or #2 option.

[Tor_Raps]

We complain so the team can fix its issues and become relevant again. Its entirely what this message board is about. Do you think we want this team to be around .500 with no real prospects that can help push them where we want them to be?

You think complaining on here has any relevance as to what the FO does?

Like, you think THAT is the purpose of this board and not so that a bunch of randos can tell us about how they were right about prospect x all along while no one else cares?

Guy thinks NBA front offices are checking RealGM message boards. lol.

LOL its about giving your opinion on whats missing. Some people clearly have no clue because they cant decipher what theyre watching and thats ok... no clue why youre on a message board if you don't want to have different discussions.

[Tha Cynic]

Barnes is the only one to have bad games?

Siakam and Banchero both shot 4-13 last night posting 11 and 13 pts.

On the season, Siakam is averaging 23 PTS / 7 REB / 4 AST on 56% TS (assisted on 42% of his 2FG and 75% of his 3FG). Barnes is averaging 19 PTS / 8 REB / 5 AST on 58% TS (assisted on 57% of his 2FG and 93% of his 3FG). They concede the same FG% at the rim as primary defenders, but Barnes averages one more block per game. Based on EPM, Siakam is vastly superior offensive player and not that far off defensively (overall EPM is 3.0 vs 1.4).

Scottie's got a longer career ahead of him. That said, he needs to win debates with Jalen Johnson and other peers before looking at players a rung or two above him.

The ENTIRE point was that other people have bad games too. You seemed to have missed that.

It's taken 5 years for JJ to have a year better than Barnes. Those first 4 years don't count?

JJ is having a great year. Why can't people just say that their were 7 great picks that year and the Raps got one of them. Some years Barnes was the best/near top of the bunch, other years it was other guys.

But again, the ENTITE point was Barnes is far from the only guy who has bad nights.

Pascal Siakam’s team has a record of 6 and 25. There is no chance Siakam is a rung or two above Barnes lol. They’re the same tier of player. Not even sure why we’re comparing them.

I was doing some checks and it’s actually pretty crazy how much getting freethrows affect all you offensive numbers. I’m not sure that will go up until Barnes goes and plays for an American team.

I’m not shocked that Brandon Ingram has easily his worst free throw rate of his career while playing for Toronto other than the shortened season last year.

[mdenny]

Pretty embarrassing but Wizards played well and knew how to beat us. It’s frustrating but I do look at more higher expected teams like the Cavs and Magic and don’t feel as bad anymore. Throw in Atlanta too. I think we are teams fundamentally built badly while the Pistons/Knicks/Celtics found the right formula. To a lesser extent, the Pacers but I think their window is closed.

Pistons lost so many games they almost set a record. Last year people were calling for a rebuild. I wouldn't be so confident in their formula.

Pistons are Top 10 in offence and defence, they've found a franchise player in Cade Cunningham, and their other young talent is developing. I'd trade places with Detroit in a heartbeat.

In a vacuum....i'd trade places with detroit too. But there's a context. They tanked for 10 years to get to this spot. During which time we won a chip.

I definitely don't want to trade places with THAT. Spend 10 years in the gutter to arrive at this place? They aren't even a top 5 team in the league and they are gonna be heavy in the tax just to keep their team together next season. So hells no i wouldnt want to tank for 10 years for a payoff that is pretty underwhelming.

[Kingsway_fan]

Even as a Raptors fan, I would not select anyone in this team to the Allstar game... certainly not Scottie... better deserving players in the East.

[greekman]

send poetl to the best physiotherapist in the world asap. the only difference between the 140-110 game last time is his presence.

[Syd-TK3]

Yesterday was Scottie's first game without a steal or block

[MiamiSPX]

Barnes is the only one to have bad games?

Siakam and Banchero both shot 4-13 last night posting 11 and 13 pts.

On the season, Siakam is averaging 23 PTS / 7 REB / 4 AST on 56% TS (assisted on 42% of his 2FG and 75% of his 3FG). Barnes is averaging 19 PTS / 8 REB / 5 AST on 58% TS (assisted on 57% of his 2FG and 93% of his 3FG). They concede the same FG% at the rim as primary defenders, but Barnes averages one more block per game. Based on EPM, Siakam is vastly superior offensive player and not that far off defensively (overall EPM is 3.0 vs 1.4).

Scottie's got a longer career ahead of him. That said, he needs to win debates with Jalen Johnson and other peers before looking at players a rung or two above him.

The ENTIRE point was that other people have bad games too. You seemed to have missed that.

It's taken 5 years for JJ to have a year better than Barnes. Those first 4 years don't count?

JJ is having a great year. Why can't people just say that their were 7 great picks that year and the Raps got one of them. Some years Barnes was the best/near top of the bunch, other years it was other guys.

But again, the ENTITE point was Barnes is far from the only guy who has bad nights.

JJ is having a great season but it's also not leading to wins. 6-12 in their last 18, and a small contingent of Hawks fans saying they are playing too much through JJ. I'm not saying I agree or disagree but it's easy to look up that his 2 most monstrous games, statistically, were both in loess. We know damn well that even if Barnes was putting up numbers like that in losses, then his detractors would start throwing around the term "empty calories". So yeah, I fully acknowledge that Barnes is unable to put up numbers like JJ has recently, but let's also not gloss over the fact that the Hawks are a dumpster fire right now.

[HumbleRen]

On the season, Siakam is averaging 23 PTS / 7 REB / 4 AST on 56% TS (assisted on 42% of his 2FG and 75% of his 3FG). Barnes is averaging 19 PTS / 8 REB / 5 AST on 58% TS (assisted on 57% of his 2FG and 93% of his 3FG). They concede the same FG% at the rim as primary defenders, but Barnes averages one more block per game. Based on EPM, Siakam is vastly superior offensive player and not that far off defensively (overall EPM is 3.0 vs 1.4).

Scottie's got a longer career ahead of him. That said, he needs to win debates with Jalen Johnson and other peers before looking at players a rung or two above him.

The ENTIRE point was that other people have bad games too. You seemed to have missed that.

It's taken 5 years for JJ to have a year better than Barnes. Those first 4 years don't count?

JJ is having a great year. Why can't people just say that their were 7 great picks that year and the Raps got one of them. Some years Barnes was the best/near top of the bunch, other years it was other guys.

But again, the ENTITE point was Barnes is far from the only guy who has bad nights.

JJ is having a great season but it's also not leading to wins. 6-12 in their last 18, and a small contingent of Hawks fans saying they are playing too much through JJ. I'm not saying I agree or disagree but it's easy to look up that his 2 most monstrous games, statistically, were both in loess. We know damn well that even if Barnes was putting up numbers like that in losses, then his detractors would start throwing around the term "empty calories". So yeah, I fully acknowledge that Barnes is unable to put up numbers like JJ has recently, but let's also not gloss over the fact that the Hawks are a dumpster fire right now.

Idk man, they have the Pelicans unprotected 2026 pick lmao. IQ is making more than JJ until 2030, I think they’re pretty happy with what they got right now.

JJ stepped up when KP and Trae have both been injured. Scottie did the opposite with RJ and Poeltl out. It’s pretty damning. We’re not even asking Scottie to be the first option like JJ had to be. We’re just asking him to be a consistent 2nd scoring option and he can’t even do that.

Averaging 16 points in the month of December on like 52% TS is unacceptable from our “franchise player”.

[Kingsway_fan]

Barnes and IQ are both overpays... and now, injured Yak also.

[Madvillainy2004]

Gradey is borderline sub 30% from 3 dog lmao

[nestea]

#FireDarko

#FireBobby

Yep. Darko will get fired before Bobby will that's for sure

[dballislife]

the team desperately needs better big man interior and big wing perimeter defense...our offense still needs to improve but these need major improvements

[Tripod]

On the season, Siakam is averaging 23 PTS / 7 REB / 4 AST on 56% TS (assisted on 42% of his 2FG and 75% of his 3FG). Barnes is averaging 19 PTS / 8 REB / 5 AST on 58% TS (assisted on 57% of his 2FG and 93% of his 3FG). They concede the same FG% at the rim as primary defenders, but Barnes averages one more block per game. Based on EPM, Siakam is vastly superior offensive player and not that far off defensively (overall EPM is 3.0 vs 1.4).

Scottie's got a longer career ahead of him. That said, he needs to win debates with Jalen Johnson and other peers before looking at players a rung or two above him.

The ENTIRE point was that other people have bad games too. You seemed to have missed that.

It's taken 5 years for JJ to have a year better than Barnes. Those first 4 years don't count?

JJ is having a great year. Why can't people just say that their were 7 great picks that year and the Raps got one of them. Some years Barnes was the best/near top of the bunch, other years it was other guys.

But again, the ENTITE point was Barnes is far from the only guy who has bad nights.

Scottie's not in the conversation with Banchero or Siakam. Not a #1 or #2 option.

Are you just playing dumb?

AGAIN. The ENTIRE point was other players have bad games. I used PS and PB as an example of having bad nights last night.

And if PS and PB are so much better, then them having a bad night worse than Barnes proves the point even more. EVERYONE has bad nights.

Simple concept. Simple to understand. Yet somehow you can't get it.

[Tripod]

The ENTIRE point was that other people have bad games too. You seemed to have missed that.

It's taken 5 years for JJ to have a year better than Barnes. Those first 4 years don't count?

JJ is having a great year. Why can't people just say that their were 7 great picks that year and the Raps got one of them. Some years Barnes was the best/near top of the bunch, other years it was other guys.

But again, the ENTITE point was Barnes is far from the only guy who has bad nights.

JJ is having a great season but it's also not leading to wins. 6-12 in their last 18, and a small contingent of Hawks fans saying they are playing too much through JJ. I'm not saying I agree or disagree but it's easy to look up that his 2 most monstrous games, statistically, were both in loess. We know damn well that even if Barnes was putting up numbers like that in losses, then his detractors would start throwing around the term "empty calories". So yeah, I fully acknowledge that Barnes is unable to put up numbers like JJ has recently, but let's also not gloss over the fact that the Hawks are a dumpster fire right now.

Idk man, they have the Pelicans unprotected 2026 pick lmao. IQ is making more than JJ until 2030, I think they’re pretty happy with what they got right now.

JJ stepped up when KP and Trae have both been injured. Scottie did the opposite with RJ and Poeltl out. It’s pretty damning. We’re not even asking Scottie to be the first option like JJ had to be. We’re just asking him to be a consistent 2nd scoring option and he can’t even do that.

Averaging 16 points in the month of December on like 52% TS is unacceptable from our “franchise player”.

He is averaging 17.7pts on 54.7%TS this month. Not sure where you get your numbers from.

And again, look at his number since RJ got hurt and on the season....almost identical.

19.0, 8.2, 5.2, 1.0, 1.3, 57.7%TS-last 15 games
19.3, 8.0. 5.0, 1.6, 1.3, 58.2%TS-season

[Duffman100]

Gradey is borderline sub 30% from 3 dog lmao

Did they change his shot?

[PushDaRock]

JJ is having a great season but it's also not leading to wins. 6-12 in their last 18, and a small contingent of Hawks fans saying they are playing too much through JJ. I'm not saying I agree or disagree but it's easy to look up that his 2 most monstrous games, statistically, were both in loess. We know damn well that even if Barnes was putting up numbers like that in losses, then his detractors would start throwing around the term "empty calories". So yeah, I fully acknowledge that Barnes is unable to put up numbers like JJ has recently, but let's also not gloss over the fact that the Hawks are a dumpster fire right now.

Idk man, they have the Pelicans unprotected 2026 pick lmao. IQ is making more than JJ until 2030, I think they’re pretty happy with what they got right now.

JJ stepped up when KP and Trae have both been injured. Scottie did the opposite with RJ and Poeltl out. It’s pretty damning. We’re not even asking Scottie to be the first option like JJ had to be. We’re just asking him to be a consistent 2nd scoring option and he can’t even do that.

Averaging 16 points in the month of December on like 52% TS is unacceptable from our “franchise player”.

He is averaging 17.7pts on 54.7%TS this month. Not sure where you get your numbers from.

And again, look at his number since RJ got hurt and on the season....almost identical.

19.0, 8.2, 5.2, 1.0, 1.3, 57.7%TS-last 15 games
19.3, 8.0. 5.0, 1.6, 1.3, 58.2%TS-season

The fact they are nearly identical is not a good thing

[Tripod]

Idk man, they have the Pelicans unprotected 2026 pick lmao. IQ is making more than JJ until 2030, I think they’re pretty happy with what they got right now.

JJ stepped up when KP and Trae have both been injured. Scottie did the opposite with RJ and Poeltl out. It’s pretty damning. We’re not even asking Scottie to be the first option like JJ had to be. We’re just asking him to be a consistent 2nd scoring option and he can’t even do that.

Averaging 16 points in the month of December on like 52% TS is unacceptable from our “franchise player”.

He is averaging 17.7pts on 54.7%TS this month. Not sure where you get your numbers from.

And again, look at his number since RJ got hurt and on the season....almost identical.

19.0, 8.2, 5.2, 1.0, 1.3, 57.7%TS-last 15 games
19.3, 8.0. 5.0, 1.6, 1.3, 58.2%TS-season

The fact they are nearly identical is not a good thing

Says you.

He isn't a natural scorer for the 1000 time so expecting him to become a 22-25 point guy is just setting YOUR EXPECTATIONS up for failure.

AND you expect him to do that while also playing better defense to try and cover Yak since Mamu can't.

And I will point it out again, Barnes has put up almost exact numbers without RJ as.onntbe season EXCPECT with his 3pt shooting dropping horribly. So he isn't getting the point boost that he was with that in the first 2 months.

Ingram CAN produce more as he is a natural scorer. Now go ask Ingram to score more but also chase Pritchard around at POA defense because no guard could stop him THEN go play C because no one else has any paint presence. Ingram would crumble being asked to do all that but Barnes is expected to because we have no other options. He just isn't good enough to expect that out of him, regardless what your expectations are.

[PushDaRock]

He is averaging 17.7pts on 54.7%TS this month. Not sure where you get your numbers from.

And again, look at his number since RJ got hurt and on the season....almost identical.

19.0, 8.2, 5.2, 1.0, 1.3, 57.7%TS-last 15 games
19.3, 8.0. 5.0, 1.6, 1.3, 58.2%TS-season

The fact they are nearly identical is not a good thing

Says you.

He isn't a natural scorer for the 1000 time so expecting him to become a 22-25 point guy is just setting YOUR EXPECTATIONS up for failure.

AND you expect him to do that while also playing better defense to try and cover Yak since Mamu can't.

And I will point it out again, Barnes has put up almost exact numbers without RJ as.onntbe season EXCPECT with his 3pt shooting dropping horribly. So he isn't getting the point boost that he was with that in the first 2 months.

Ingram CAN produce more as he is a natural scorer. Now go ask Ingram to score more but also chase Pritchard around at POA defense because no guard could stop him THEN go play C because no one else has any paint presence. Ingram would crumble being asked to do all that but Barnes is expected to because we have no other options. He just isn't good enough to expect that out of him, regardless what your expectations are.

If he's not supposed to score more with RJ out, then who should? You think the role players should instead of him? We are missing 19 points from the line-up, you don't think Scottie should step up his scoring even a bit?

We are dead last in ORTG without RJ btw, I'm just wondering where the points are supposed to be coming from if Scottie isn't supposed to score more?

[mdenny]

The fact they are nearly identical is not a good thing

Says you.

He isn't a natural scorer for the 1000 time so expecting him to become a 22-25 point guy is just setting YOUR EXPECTATIONS up for failure.

AND you expect him to do that while also playing better defense to try and cover Yak since Mamu can't.

And I will point it out again, Barnes has put up almost exact numbers without RJ as.onntbe season EXCPECT with his 3pt shooting dropping horribly. So he isn't getting the point boost that he was with that in the first 2 months.

Ingram CAN produce more as he is a natural scorer. Now go ask Ingram to score more but also chase Pritchard around at POA defense because no guard could stop him THEN go play C because no one else has any paint presence. Ingram would crumble being asked to do all that but Barnes is expected to because we have no other options. He just isn't good enough to expect that out of him, regardless what your expectations are.

If he's not supposed to score more with RJ out, then who should? You think the role players should instead of him? We are missing 19 points from the line-up, you don't think Scottie should step up his scoring even a bit?

It's like a limbo bar going lower and lower.

Guarding Pritchard is supposed to be an excuse for not contributing to the offense?