SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread (Update Pg 73)

[bebopdeluxe]

I really don't think Turner has ahd much trade value since his draft night.

That's why it won't be wise to trade him at this point. IMO, we've already invested a lot of time on him. I don't think he's a finished product. I believe his shooting will come at some point. I also believe that if used properly, he could still be a very effective player.

This. And if Collins is set on trading Iguodala (which sounds like the case), Turner will get his chance.

[bebopdeluxe]

I really don't think Turner has ahd much trade value since his draft night.

That's why it won't be wise to trade him at this point. IMO, we've already invested a lot of time on him. I don't think he's a finished product. I believe his shooting will come at some point. I also believe that if used properly, he could still be a very effective player.

Agree completely. We should see him through his rookie contract. The kid has some skills that are not run and jump ahtleticism, great hands, very good court vision, nose for the ball and a talent for finding the mid range seems in a defense, plus he is a good defender (and getting better) and killer rebounder. He is relatively cheap, has no wow factor currently to boost his trade value and has been showing some Philly style brass balls. We picked him, I say we ride him out and give him the chance to sink or swim here. I still have hope, not for a superstar, but for a solid, tough nosed starter, and hope he gets there while he is here.

Agreed. If all he does is become a slightly better offensive/slightly worse defensive replacement for Iguodala, he has value...especially if we can flip Iguodala into an impact big or wing scorer.

[bebopdeluxe]

Is it safe to say that Philly fans would much rather see Iggy traded than Turner?

I would think that there are many Philly fans who realize that Iguodala's trade value may never be higher, and we have a funtional replacement for him in Turner.

[Ming]

I could not disagree with this statement more.

+1

He just had a bad series against the Celtics.

Those of you who think his jumpshot can't improve are just being extremely impatience or are just Turner haters. He just changed his freaking shooting form last season! And you expect him to be great right off the bat?

My point isn't that Turner is going to be a super-dee-duperstar...but these deals to PACKAGE him to get like a #10 pick seem silly to me. Iguodala has a chronic knee condition (which will be impacted by the Olympics), this team is going to likely have material personnel changes, and in all probability it will be a year of not getting any closer than they did this season. If we can get a top 5-8 draft pick (and perhaps another young piece) for Iguodala, THAT is maximum value for adding to this team....and it is nice that the Sixers have a player like Turner who can fill some of the hole that Iguodala's departure would create.

Turner is NOT as good a defender. He makes more mistakes than Iggy. He is not as good of a 3-point shooter. But - looking at a 2-3 year window - if we can add somebody like Drummond or Beal to the mix, we will be in WAY better shape in the long-term. The tradeoff is having Turner taking over for Iggy at SF...but I will take a Jrue/Beal/ET combination...or a Jrue/ET/Ross combo - with Drummond ANY DAY over giving Turner away IN A PACKAGE for something like New Orleans' pick...

But that is just me.

I don't think Turner will be a star either. I just think his value is low right now and trading him will be selling low. We won't be getting anything valuable back. It is not wise to give up on a young player so early unless we are getting something really good back.

I agree with everything you said. But I think Turner is actually a good on-ball defender and a bad off-ball defender. I expect him to get better at both. Iguodala wasn't playing all-nba level defense in his 2nd year either.

[EugeneBWhitaker]

yea let's trade Turner for some mediocre players so we can stay in mediocrity for more years!

Calling Turner a mediocre player in his first two years would be a compliment

[Arsenal]

What's with the sudden interest in Okafor suddenly? He's a mediocre at best player and will probably be a journeyman for the rest of his career.

He's a decent Center in a league without many of them. He's tough, he can rebound, defend, and block shots. Plus his contract is only for 2 more years. He's like the Center version of Elton Brand. That has value for us since Center is currently a HUGE hole in this lineup. Okafor is good enough to get the job done at C if you surround him with talent.

Sixers trade / Hornets receive:
G Evan Turner
F Thaddeus Young

Hornets trade / Sixers receive:
C Emeka Okafor
#10 overall pick (draft SG Jeremy Lamb or SG Terrence Ross)

This would be a good trade for both sides. We fill our hole at C and get a SG who can actually shoot. The Hornets bring in two talented young players who finally get free reign, and add to the young core of Anthony Davis and Eric Gordon.

Hornets lineup:
PG Evan Turner
SG Eric Gordon
SF Thaddeus Young
PF Anthony Davis
C Jason Smith

The Sixers then amnesty Elton Brand, then sign PF Ersan Ilyasova and SF Gerald Wallace with the resulting cap room.

Sixers lineup:
PG Jrue Holiday / Jodie Meeks
SG Andre Iguodala / #10 pick (Jeremy Lamb or Terrence Ross)
SF Gerald Wallace / #15 pick (Arnett Moultrie or Perry Jones III?)
PF Ersan Ilyasova / Lavoy Allen
C Emeka Okafor / Nicola Vucevic

That's the #2 or #3 team in the East, and could give the Heat a stiff challenge next year.

[Ming]

yea let's trade Turner for some mediocre players so we can stay in mediocrity for more years!

Calling Turner a mediocre player in his first two years would be a compliment

And so do you think we get anything good by trading him?

Yes he sucked in his first two year. So did Joe Johnson, so did Chauncey Billups. And we should trade him for a mediocre player that has already peaked?

[EugeneBWhitaker]

yea let's trade Turner for some mediocre players so we can stay in mediocrity for more years!

Calling Turner a mediocre player in his first two years would be a compliment

And so do you think we get anything good by trading him?

Yes he sucked in his first two year. So did Joe Johnson, so did Chauncey Billups. And we should trade him for a mediocre player that has already peaked?

Yes, I said all of those things in one simple statement.

[bebopdeluxe]

If it is true that the Bulls are open to moving Deng for a lottery pick, Iguodala's value just took a hit.

[bebopdeluxe]

yea let's trade Turner for some mediocre players so we can stay in mediocrity for more years!

Calling Turner a mediocre player in his first two years would be a compliment

What do you believe Turner - on the heels of his underwhelming play through much of the playoffs - is worth in a trade right now...and do you believe that the return that we would get for Turner would - in combination with keeping Iguodala - make the team better than, for example, trading Iguodala and allowing Turner to be Iggy's poor-man's replacement?

[EugeneBWhitaker]

If it is true that the Bulls are open to moving Deng for a lottery pick, Iguodala's value just took a hit.

I do not see why. It may be new to realgm but this is not a new rumor, it has been floated with as much reliability as the Iguodala rumor for weeks. I personally do not see why Deng would have more value than Iguodala if you factor everything in including the inability to stay healthy.

It has also been reported that Paul Pierce would be available on draft night.

Deng, Pierce, Iguodala. Those three names have been floated for the past few weeks with no actual reliable sources backing those stories up. It is rumor season. They should all be taken with multiple grains of salt. The Bulls do not need younger players, they need to stay healthy.

[Ming]

Calling Turner a mediocre player in his first two years would be a compliment

And so do you think we get anything good by trading him?

Yes he sucked in his first two year. So did Joe Johnson, so did Chauncey Billups. And we should trade him for a mediocre player that has already peaked?

Yes, I said all of those things in one simple statement.

Yes of course you expect me to think you are not on that side with such statement.

[EugeneBWhitaker]

yea let's trade Turner for some mediocre players so we can stay in mediocrity for more years!

Calling Turner a mediocre player in his first two years would be a compliment

What do you believe Turner - on the heels of his underwhelming play through much of the playoffs - is worth in a trade right now...and do you believe that the return that we would get for Turner would - in combination with keeping Iguodala - make the team better than, for example, trading Iguodala and allowing Turner to be Iggy's poor-man's replacement?

My point was that Evan Turner aspires to be mediocre. I really do not see why so many people want to read in more to what I said, but since you asked.

Evan Turner is to Andre Iguodala as Spencer Hawes is to Andrew Bynum

[EugeneBWhitaker]

Yes of course you expect me to think you are not on that side with such statement.

I have no desire or expectation for you to read my mind. I did not know that you could infer my entire feelings on the subject just by saying that Evan Turner has not even been mediocre this year.

Please pick a fight with someone else. Evan Turner has not been a mediocre basketball player. He has been mostly bad, with a few flashes of good. Excuses seem to be made everywhere for him. Fans like to make excuses when their favorite player is terrible.

The facts are the facts, and Evan Turner has been a bad NBA player for two years in the league.

[vdstrading]

I disagree. Luol Deng plays with Derrick Rose and Joahkim Noah. That's last year's league MVP (one of the top 3 players in the game when healthy) along with a borderline all-star at C. Iguodala plays with nowhere near the same quality of players collectively as Deng. Iguodala has to create opportunities, Deng is given them. Now, if you want to argue that Deng doesn't have the achilles / tendinitis issues that Dre has, that's fine, but he ain't exactly durable (74 missed games out of a possible 390 games over the last 5 seasons). Dre plays through that pain. That said, Deng is 1 year younger and a little cheaper (not much though). I think there are arguments both ways here, but if I'm looking to trade for one of those two guys, I'm trading for Iguodala.

[Ming]

Yes of course you expect me to think you are not on that side with such statement.

I have no desire or expectation for you to read my mind. I did not know that you could infer my entire feelings on the subject just by saying that Evan Turner has not even been mediocre this year.

Please pick a fight with someone else. Evan Turner has not been a mediocre basketball player. He has been mostly bad, with a few flashes of good. Excuses seem to be made everywhere for him. Fans like to make excuses when their favorite player is terrible.

The facts are the facts, and Evan Turner has been a bad NBA player for two years in the league.

Ok. All I wanted to say is it is not a good idea to trade Turner now because his value is so low at the moment. Nothing else. I just thought you were the "trade Turner for whatever we can get cause he won't get better" type.

I am not even a Turner fan. I would gladly take Paul George, Derrick Favors and Greg Monroe over him.

[EugeneBWhitaker]

Ok. All I wanted to say is it is not a good idea to trade Turner now because his value is so low. Nothing else. I just thought you were the "trade Turner for whatever we can get cause he won't get better" type.
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I said what I said. I said nothing about trading Turner. I do not know what a players trade value is around the league and nor does anyone else here.

To me, every player on the seventy-sixers is available in the right deal because it is not a roster that is going to contend for an NBA title any time soon and I do not see them as being close either.

[Ming]

To me, every player on the seventy-sixers is available in the right deal because it is not a roster that is going to contend for an NBA title any time soon and I do not see them as being close either.

Of course. I just don't want any deal that extends mediocrity.

[Gsraider]

Wow, remember when this thread was about rumors provided by Sixerfan?

[Skates]

Wow, remember when this thread was about rumors provided by Sixerfan?

Those were good times...I miss them.