Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond

[Context]

I am happy either way honestly. RJ would be fun to follow because he's ready to score NOW and still has lots of potential due to his passing ability and room for shooting improvement, and acquiring AD would also be cool because he's not yet hit his prime and is one of the best players in the league.

I can prefer one over the other depending on the day of the week, but the fun part is that there's very little obvious downside to this summer. Sure, things could go wrong or they could divert from the plan and sign Butler and Kemba to maxes, but the big options on the table are all really enticing - even if you gut the youth for AD.

And you know what- thats fair - I cant blame you for it...The only issue I have with AD is his health and I dont think he's an Alpha...
These are my first two reasons for not wanting to trade for him...None the less, we have a lot to look forward to...

Davis wont be signed here to be the alpha, durant would obviously be that guy.

Secondly, Davis in the past three seasons, games played....

75-75-56(this was basically because he asked for a trade) had missed 5 games prior to trade requst.

I dont have an interest in such a trade, but these are not bonfide reasons.

Thug, how many alphas do you think exist on winning teams? We need more than just the main guy to be an alpha and I especially need the guy who's taking up 30% of the cap to be one...

As far as the health - there's an entire page of injuries that was posted on AD- not to mention, you left out the beginning of his career as well regarding missed games...By my standards when you factor in his size- contract- and what we would lose- he's not worth it...(I know you're not proposing the deal)

[thebuzzardman]

some youth? Mills might pull something similar to what the Knicks gave up for Carmelo.

The Knicks might end up with a soon to be 31 year old, a 26 year old, and a bunch of veterans, who might be one injury away from having to retire.

That would give the Knicks 2 of the top 5 players in the league, with an additional max slot to build the team with another top 15 player or add some depth.

It's nowhere near the Melo trade.

I think there's a scenario where this ends in a way that's similar to the Melo trade.

Amar'e was an aging All-NBA player with health concerns. But he was considered one of the best players in the league at the time. Not on KD's level obviously, but he was All-NBA second team when he signed with the Knicks. He was younger than KD too.

I think we forget how good Melo was. AD is more efficient obviously, but on the other hand he doesn't have Melo's playmaking skills. I don't view AD as a top 5 player in the league. He doesn't have the consistent impact that Curry, Harden, KD, LeBron, Kawhi and I would argue Jokic, Lillard and Embiid have. I honestly believe you're setting yourself up for disappointment if you think AD's a top 5 player. I'm not sure how he fits with Durant either. Sure they fit, but they won't make each other better at all.

Also the Knicks also had capspace after stretching Billups back then, and used it on Tyson Chandler who was a major free agent signing.

I respectfully think you're underestimating the risk behind the KD-AD strategy. I could pay dividends but it could also backfire worse than the Amar'e/Melo/Chandler moves. Especially when you consider KD's volatile character.

While there is a possibility, compare AD to Amare and KD to Melo.

AD is a far better all around player with less health concerns than Amare had, while Melo is the better comp with KD. KD seems to be a somewhat better facilitator, not that he's LeBron or Pippen or Bird or anything. And he seems to be more efficient and a less dependent on being set up by a PG. Not that Melo wasn't a big time scorer.
And if we assume Kyrie is coming, it solves the PG issue that neither Melo or Amare had, except for a year of old Kidd. AD is a better passer than Amare was, where Amare was just a finisher.

[Oscirus]

Yea Davis is gonna cost us a Herschel walker type load. I legit don't know if he's worth all that. Yes he's a great player that would get us in the playoffs, but does the combination of him kd and Irving make us contenders or pretenders? If its the latter, then he's obviously not worth all that.

In what world is a team with KD , AD ,and Kyrie with a vet role player bench and a couple likely ring chasers a pretender?

Have you seen the rest of the east? Barring a tragic free agent period for them, Sixers, Raptors and Bucks are still better than the above team

[Jeff Van Gully]

My gut says Barrett is going to become an all star...But the more I read about him the more I want to keep him- even with KD...
we need to forget this AD stuff...Too much to give to get him- even if we keep Mitch...KD and KYRIE- are just going to have to realize if you want to put a chip team together in a short amount of time that can beat the bucks- they are going to have to take a pay cut. Period...Time for them to put their GM cap on- plain and simple...

I am happy either way honestly. RJ would be fun to follow because he's ready to score NOW and still has lots of potential due to his passing ability and room for shooting improvement, and acquiring AD would also be cool because he's not yet hit his prime and is one of the best players in the league.

I can prefer one over the other depending on the day of the week, but the fun part is that there's very little obvious downside to this summer. Sure, things could go wrong or they could divert from the plan and sign Butler and Kemba to maxes, but the big options on the table are all really enticing - even if you gut the youth for AD.

And you know what- thats fair - I cant blame you for it...The only issue I have with AD is his health and I dont think he's an Alpha...
These are my first two reasons for not wanting to trade for him...None the less, we have a lot to look forward to...

Health is my only concern with AD. Dude is legit. He has played at an MVP level in this league... as recently as last season.

[Clyde_Style]

I don't get it, what do you mean stop looking for saviors? You mean through free agenc and trades? Because that's literrally what people are praying for in the draft, a savior. Doncic, Zion, etc.

What's funny is that if the player being discussed is Luka Doncic, how many people would have thrown everything and the kitchen sink at a trade to land him? The thing is people want some fantasy of a 10 year dynasty that is going to compete for a loooong period of time and thats why they want youth but they ignore the entire process that comes with it. 26 year olds are now looked at as geezers and 19 year olds are prized possessions but people don't want to be real about the possibility of not even being in position to put a good enough team around those 19 year old until they are basically 24/25 years of age and no longer on their rookie scale contract.

It was only a couple years ago that AD was considered as one of the best young players to build a franchise around and now he's not even a top 10 player anymore? Crazy

Every championship team since the early 80s with the exception of the 2004 Pistons had a homegrown player as their foundationial piece. Building a team around a bunch of mercenaries for me is like building on quicksand. If you want to go against 40 years of evidence, more power to you.

I don't see AD as a guy who can lead a team to a championship anyway, for whatever it's worth. He's a fringe top 10 player to me, in the 8 to 12 range. And again, I'm not against signing him as a free agent, but I think trading for him would be a huge mistake that will set back this franchise another 5 to 10 years.

This means nothing. We are in a new era when it comes to the league. The way players are demanding trades and forming alliances is a new trend for the league. Players aren't willing to waste their careers waiting for owners and front offices to build teams around them and are forming alliances on their own. That's not something the Knicks are looking to exploit that's something all teams are looking to exploit.

None if this homegrown stuff will matter when the team is playing good, nobody will care. Just like the Raptors dont care whether or not Kawhi is homegrown, the things he's doing for their franchise is far greater than any homegrown player has ever done for them. Ask them if they would give up everybody else on their roster just to keep Kawhi there. I can promise you nobody will even remember the names of our young players when we are balling in the playoffs.

How's that going to work out for Toronto when their all-in gambit on Kahwi blows up in their faces when he leaves and they are stuck with Gasol who was supposed to be enough to put them over the top?

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Honestly, nothing but respect from them wars. I long for the days, really.

I still remember this like it was yesterday.

I miss this era of the NBA, when the Heat and the Knicks would literally fight and everyone got suspensions every year in our playoff battles

Watch on YouTube

[Jeff Van Gully]

Yea Davis is gonna cost us a Herschel walker type load. I legit don't know if he's worth all that. Yes he's a great player that would get us in the playoffs, but does the combination of him kd and Irving make us contenders or pretenders? If its the latter, then he's obviously not worth all that.

In what world is a team with KD , AD ,and Kyrie with a vet role player bench and a couple likely ring chasers a pretender?

Have you seen the rest of the east? Barring a tragic free agent period for them, Sixers, Raptors and Bucks are still better than the above team

Nah. Only Bucks messing with that. And Bucks need to somehow keep Middleton and Brogdon.

Toronto is only kind of in that convo if they keep Kawhi. I love him there, but I’d be shocked if he stayed.

Sixers already not on those teams’ level and may not keep Harris OR Butler.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Honestly, nothing but respect from them wars. I long for the days, really.

I still remember this like it was yesterday.

I miss this era of the NBA, when the Heat and the Knicks would literally fight and everyone got suspensions every year in our playoff battles

Watch on YouTube

Loved it. I greenlit PJ in Harlem. But low key I was like he could come play for us! You could mix and match a lot of the players from both teams. At times we did. See: Kurt Thomas.

[HEZI]

Every championship team since the early 80s with the exception of the 2004 Pistons had a homegrown player as their foundationial piece. Building a team around a bunch of mercenaries for me is like building on quicksand. If you want to go against 40 years of evidence, more power to you.

I don't see AD as a guy who can lead a team to a championship anyway, for whatever it's worth. He's a fringe top 10 player to me, in the 8 to 12 range. And again, I'm not against signing him as a free agent, but I think trading for him would be a huge mistake that will set back this franchise another 5 to 10 years.

This means nothing. We are in a new era when it comes to the league. The way players are demanding trades and forming alliances is a new trend for the league. Players aren't willing to waste their careers waiting for owners and front offices to build teams around them and are forming alliances on their own. That's not something the Knicks are looking to exploit that's something all teams are looking to exploit.

None if this homegrown stuff will matter when the team is playing good, nobody will care. Just like the Raptors dont care whether or not Kawhi is homegrown, the things he's doing for their franchise is far greater than any homegrown player has ever done for them. Ask them if they would give up everybody else on their roster just to keep Kawhi there. I can promise you nobody will even remember the names of our young players when we are balling in the playoffs.

How's that going to work out for Toronto when their all-in gambit on Kahwi blows up in their faces when he leaves and they are stuck with Gasol who was supposed to be enough to put them over the top?

If he leaves it's going to be because he never wanted to be there in the first place. What's that gotta do with us if we are going after players that do want to be here? And if you still have Kyrie and KD, even if AD leaves then you have cap space to sign somebody else, because as long as you have star talent then you will be attractive to guys that want to play with you. Raptors wouldn't be screwed just because Kawhi would leave but because he would leave them with nothing. Gasol and Lowry is not the same as Kyrie and Durant, lets be real with ourselves. And even if AD does leave after delivering NY a championship, most of us will probably be so high off that feeling that we won't even notice what happened for a full year after

[Thugger HBC]

And you know what- thats fair - I cant blame you for it...The only issue I have with AD is his health and I dont think he's an Alpha...
These are my first two reasons for not wanting to trade for him...None the less, we have a lot to look forward to...

Davis wont be signed here to be the alpha, durant would obviously be that guy.

Secondly, Davis in the past three seasons, games played....

75-75-56(this was basically because he asked for a trade) had missed 5 games prior to trade requst.

I dont have an interest in such a trade, but these are not bonfide reasons.

Thug, how many alphas do you think exist on winning teams? We need more than just the main guy to be an alpha and I especially need the guy who's taking up 30% of the cap to be one...

As far as the health - there's an entire page of injuries that was posted on AD- not to mention, you left out the beginning of his career as well regarding missed games...By my standards when you factor in his size- contract- and what we would lose- he's not worth it...(I know you're not proposing the deal)

I would like to know your definition of an Alpha. Some players want that mindset and should be nowhere near it.

GS imo only has one. Draymond. Once you give me your definition, I'll gladly give you mine.

Secondly you gotta research on your own. Davis isn't a health risk. His get nicked up quite a bit, but he's played a more than fair share of games.

2015-16 was his only injury plagued season and he played 61 in that iirc that was the concussion protocol year. Other than that the guys has been quite durable. he averages 2400 + minutes a season.

64
67
68
61
75
75
56

That's his games played in each season.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

This means nothing. We are in a new era when it comes to the league. The way players are demanding trades and forming alliances is a new trend for the league. Players aren't willing to waste their careers waiting for owners and front offices to build teams around them and are forming alliances on their own. That's not something the Knicks are looking to exploit that's something all teams are looking to exploit.

None if this homegrown stuff will matter when the team is playing good, nobody will care. Just like the Raptors dont care whether or not Kawhi is homegrown, the things he's doing for their franchise is far greater than any homegrown player has ever done for them. Ask them if they would give up everybody else on their roster just to keep Kawhi there. I can promise you nobody will even remember the names of our young players when we are balling in the playoffs.

How's that going to work out for Toronto when their all-in gambit on Kahwi blows up in their faces when he leaves and they are stuck with Gasol who was supposed to be enough to put them over the top?

If he leaves it's going to be because he never wanted to be there in the first place. What's that gotta do with us if we are going after players that do want to be here? And if you still have Kyrie and KD, even if AD leaves then you have cap space to sign somebody else, because as long as you have star talent then you will be attractive to guys that want to play with you. Raptors wouldn't be screwed just because Kawhi would leave but because he would leave them with nothing. Gasol and Lowry is not the same as Kyrie and Durant, lets be real with ourselves. And even if AD does leave after delivering NY a championship, most of us will probably be so high off that feeling that we won't even notice what happened for a full year after

Right.

Is Kawhi Leonard supposed to rely on Kyle Lowry to win a ring?

I mean, if Kawhi leaves... it's obvious why.

[Clyde_Style]

This means nothing. We are in a new era when it comes to the league. The way players are demanding trades and forming alliances is a new trend for the league. Players aren't willing to waste their careers waiting for owners and front offices to build teams around them and are forming alliances on their own. That's not something the Knicks are looking to exploit that's something all teams are looking to exploit.

None if this homegrown stuff will matter when the team is playing good, nobody will care. Just like the Raptors dont care whether or not Kawhi is homegrown, the things he's doing for their franchise is far greater than any homegrown player has ever done for them. Ask them if they would give up everybody else on their roster just to keep Kawhi there. I can promise you nobody will even remember the names of our young players when we are balling in the playoffs.

How's that going to work out for Toronto when their all-in gambit on Kahwi blows up in their faces when he leaves and they are stuck with Gasol who was supposed to be enough to put them over the top?

If he leaves it's going to be because he never wanted to be there in the first place. What's that gotta do with us if we are going after players that do want to be here? And if you still have Kyrie and KD, even if AD leaves then you have cap space to sign somebody else, because as long as you have star talent then you will be attractive to guys that want to play with you. Raptors wouldn't be screwed just because Kawhi would leave but because he would leave them with nothing. Gasol and Lowry is not the same as Kyrie and Durant, lets be real with ourselves. And even if AD does leave after delivering NY a championship, most of us will probably be so high off that feeling that we won't even notice what happened for a full year after

We're probably headed down the road of oblivion.

Ignore at your own peril the likelihood of NEVER fielding all of your shiny max cats at the same time late in the playoffs due to the very high probability not all of them will be able to stay healthy for a whole season at the same time.

AD can't play in these playoffs and he's about to become a Knicks savior.
Kyrie is brittle as fck
AD is an injury machine

Yeah, good luck with that.

We'll never get close to sniffing a ring if we sign those three and trade away our picks and Mitch to get AD because at any given time one or two of them will sucking on geritol through a sippy cup at Mt. Sinai

[GONYK]

In what world is a team with KD , AD ,and Kyrie with a vet role player bench and a couple likely ring chasers a pretender?

Have you seen the rest of the east? Barring a tragic free agent period for them, Sixers, Raptors and Bucks are still better than the above team

Nah. Only Bucks messing with that. And Bucks need to somehow keep Middleton and Brogdon.

Toronto is only kind of in that convo if they keep Kawhi. I love him there, but I’d be shocked if he stayed.

Sixers already not on those teams’ level and may not keep Harris OR Butler.

Golden State is mowing through the West with 2.5 stars and no real depth.

If you can only put 5 guys on the court at any given time, and rotations shorten to 7 guys in the playoffs, I don't see how you can reasonably expect any team to match Kyrie/KD/AD.

[Context]

Davis wont be signed here to be the alpha, durant would obviously be that guy.

Secondly, Davis in the past three seasons, games played....

75-75-56(this was basically because he asked for a trade) had missed 5 games prior to trade requst.

I dont have an interest in such a trade, but these are not bonfide reasons.

Thug, how many alphas do you think exist on winning teams? We need more than just the main guy to be an alpha and I especially need the guy who's taking up 30% of the cap to be one...

As far as the health - there's an entire page of injuries that was posted on AD- not to mention, you left out the beginning of his career as well regarding missed games...By my standards when you factor in his size- contract- and what we would lose- he's not worth it...(I know you're not proposing the deal)

I would like to know your definition of an Alpha. Some players want that mindset and should be nowhere near it.

GS imo only has one. Draymond. Once you give me your definition, I'll gladly give you mine.

Secondly you gotta research on your own. Davis isn't a health risk. His get nicked up quite a bit, but he's played a more than fair share of games.

2015-16 was his only injury plagued season and he played 61 in that iirc that was the concussion protocol year. Other than that the guys has been quite durable. he averages 2400 + minutes a season.

64
67
68
61
75
75
56

That's his games played in each season.

I saw the list Thug...and I'm not comfortable with the list and the total games played. Nor am I comfortable with the fact that
his talent says he's arguable the best player in the league but in the context of his career he doesn't have much to show for it...

As far as Alpha- I'll use myself as an example- I can lead or play team ball but will take and make the big shot without question.
I play with no fear in whatever I do and I have confidence in myself and can go to war if need be or can be peaceful if need be...

AD, as big as he is let Kyke O Q push him into the stand and did nothing and looked like he was uncomfortable...

An Alpha is the combination of the above to me...

[Thugger HBC]

Thug, how many alphas do you think exist on winning teams? We need more than just the main guy to be an alpha and I especially need the guy who's taking up 30% of the cap to be one...

As far as the health - there's an entire page of injuries that was posted on AD- not to mention, you left out the beginning of his career as well regarding missed games...By my standards when you factor in his size- contract- and what we would lose- he's not worth it...(I know you're not proposing the deal)

I would like to know your definition of an Alpha. Some players want that mindset and should be nowhere near it.

GS imo only has one. Draymond. Once you give me your definition, I'll gladly give you mine.

Secondly you gotta research on your own. Davis isn't a health risk. His get nicked up quite a bit, but he's played a more than fair share of games.

2015-16 was his only injury plagued season and he played 61 in that iirc that was the concussion protocol year. Other than that the guys has been quite durable. he averages 2400 + minutes a season.

64
67
68
61
75
75
56

That's his games played in each season.

I saw the list Thug...and I'm not comfortable with the list and the total games played. Nor am I comfortable with the fact that
his talent says he's arguable the best player in the league but in the context of his career he doesn't have much to show for it...

As far as Alpha- I'll use myself as an example- I can lead or play team ball but will take and make the big shot without question.
I play with no fear in whatever I do and I have confidence in myself and can go to war if need be or can be peaceful if need be...

AD, as big as he is let Kyke O Q push him into the stand and did nothing and looked like he was uncomfortable...

An Alpha is the combination of the above to me...

I can assure you the only Alpha on GS is Draymond. It's not about who makes and takes big shots, or who is scared or not, who's actually scared on an NBA court? If that's the case Steve Kerr was Alpha for the Bulls back in the 90's.

Dray said it best recently......"I can be wide open, Klay could be partially open, I'm passing because his shot is better than my shot".

Over the years people have learned about GS, the team goes where Dray goes. Not about being best, but being the processor. An entire season got lost when Dray went rogue. Nobody on the team could overcome that, but they should have if they were so much better. he has a role no one else on the team can fill. That's your alpha.

[Oscirus]

In what world is a team with KD , AD ,and Kyrie with a vet role player bench and a couple likely ring chasers a pretender?

Have you seen the rest of the east? Barring a tragic free agent period for them, Sixers, Raptors and Bucks are still better than the above team

Nah. Only Bucks messing with that. And Bucks need to somehow keep Middleton and Brogdon.

Toronto is only kind of in that convo if they keep Kawhi. I love him there, but I’d be shocked if he stayed.

Sixers already not on those teams’ level and may not keep Harris OR Butler.

Sixers keep their 4 Id say they're better for the upcoming year at least, the Raptors probably won't matter as Kawhi is likely gone. But still that's two teams with more chemistry than the aforementioned team and that's ignoring the big bad warrior goliath waiting in the west.

[HEZI]

How's that going to work out for Toronto when their all-in gambit on Kahwi blows up in their faces when he leaves and they are stuck with Gasol who was supposed to be enough to put them over the top?

If he leaves it's going to be because he never wanted to be there in the first place. What's that gotta do with us if we are going after players that do want to be here? And if you still have Kyrie and KD, even if AD leaves then you have cap space to sign somebody else, because as long as you have star talent then you will be attractive to guys that want to play with you. Raptors wouldn't be screwed just because Kawhi would leave but because he would leave them with nothing. Gasol and Lowry is not the same as Kyrie and Durant, lets be real with ourselves. And even if AD does leave after delivering NY a championship, most of us will probably be so high off that feeling that we won't even notice what happened for a full year after

We're probably headed down the road of oblivion.

Ignore at your own peril the likelihood of NEVER fielding all of your shiny max cats at the same time late in the playoffs due to the very high probability not all of them will be able to stay healthy for a whole season at the same time.

AD can't play in these playoffs and he's about to become a Knicks savior.
Kyrie is brittle as fck
AD is an injury machine

Yeah, good luck with that.

We'll never get close to sniffing a ring if we sign those three and trade away our picks and Mitch to get AD because at any given time one or two of them will sucking on geritol through a sippy cup at Mt. Sinai

I hear you

If we never build a playoff team then we never have to worry about guys getting injured for the playoffs



This has become our security blanket. Suck forever so we can always have an excuse that we are rebuilding and avoid all pressure that comes along with trying to build a team that can actually compete

[Clyde_Style]

If he leaves it's going to be because he never wanted to be there in the first place. What's that gotta do with us if we are going after players that do want to be here? And if you still have Kyrie and KD, even if AD leaves then you have cap space to sign somebody else, because as long as you have star talent then you will be attractive to guys that want to play with you. Raptors wouldn't be screwed just because Kawhi would leave but because he would leave them with nothing. Gasol and Lowry is not the same as Kyrie and Durant, lets be real with ourselves. And even if AD does leave after delivering NY a championship, most of us will probably be so high off that feeling that we won't even notice what happened for a full year after

We're probably headed down the road of oblivion.

Ignore at your own peril the likelihood of NEVER fielding all of your shiny max cats at the same time late in the playoffs due to the very high probability not all of them will be able to stay healthy for a whole season at the same time.

AD can't play in these playoffs and he's about to become a Knicks savior.
Kyrie is brittle as fck
AD is an injury machine

Yeah, good luck with that.

We'll never get close to sniffing a ring if we sign those three and trade away our picks and Mitch to get AD because at any given time one or two of them will sucking on geritol through a sippy cup at Mt. Sinai

I hear you

If we never build a playoff team then we never have to worry about guys getting injured for the playoffs



This has become our security blanket. Suck forever so we can always have an excuse that we are rebuilding and avoid all pressure that comes along with trying to build a team that can actually compete

I effing hate that GIF, so overused and guy looks like a tool while trying to act like he's a big shot know-it-all

Anyway, all I'm saying is yeah, swing for the fences if you want, but I'm saying the probability of success by going all in on three max cats while gutting the rest of the team is so gaddam low as to be pointless. Three max cats with injury issues means GUARANTEED Salary Cap purgatory all over again. I guess the lesson of Amare has faded into the past now and people want to maintain their evergreen fantasies of buying a ring. It won't work.

The probability that Mitch and our third pick become stars are higher than the odds of three injury prone max cats staying healthy enough to contend.

I'm just being straight with you. This 3 injury-prone max cat route has a snowball's chance in hell of succeeding

[Thugger HBC]

Kyrie is the only injury prone guy in the group. y'all being real loose with the "injury prone" term.

[Context]

I would like to know your definition of an Alpha. Some players want that mindset and should be nowhere near it.

GS imo only has one. Draymond. Once you give me your definition, I'll gladly give you mine.

Secondly you gotta research on your own. Davis isn't a health risk. His get nicked up quite a bit, but he's played a more than fair share of games.

2015-16 was his only injury plagued season and he played 61 in that iirc that was the concussion protocol year. Other than that the guys has been quite durable. he averages 2400 + minutes a season.

64
67
68
61
75
75
56

That's his games played in each season.

I saw the list Thug...and I'm not comfortable with the list and the total games played. Nor am I comfortable with the fact that
his talent says he's arguable the best player in the league but in the context of his career he doesn't have much to show for it...

As far as Alpha- I'll use myself as an example- I can lead or play team ball but will take and make the big shot without question.
I play with no fear in whatever I do and I have confidence in myself and can go to war if need be or can be peaceful if need be...

AD, as big as he is let Kyke O Q push him into the stand and did nothing and looked like he was uncomfortable...

An Alpha is the combination of the above to me...

I can assure you the only Alpha on GS is Draymond. It's not about who makes and takes big shots, or who is scared or not, who's actually scared on an NBA court? If that's the case Steve Kerr was Alpha for the Bulls back in the 90's.

Dray said it best recently......"I can be wide open, Klay could be partially open, I'm passing because his shot is better than my shot".

Over the years people have learned about GS, the team goes where Dray goes. Not about being best, but being the processor. An entire season got lost when Dray went rogue. Nobody on the team could overcome that, but they should have if they were so much better. he has a role no one else on the team can fill. That's your alpha.

Yeah, we're talking about two different things... You are talking about who's the alpha dog among the group- yes its Dray...
I guess I should have used "dog" instead...AD has no "dog" in him...Curry, Klay, Iggy, Livingston, Bogut and KD all have dog in them-
thats what I meant...