Re: Trade Talk (Part Twelve): 2023 Playoff Push Edition

[fattymcgee]

I was listening to the NBA Front Office Show podcast, and they reported that today the Vegas odds over who goes #2 dramatically shifted towards Scoot. This usually only happens when someone knows something, like the odds on Banchero going #1 over Jabari walker last year changed drastically on draft day

Could mean CHA is drafting him, but it also could mean a Scoot trade is in the works!

Like when the odds of Will Levi's getting drafted top 2 instantly went from 40-1 to something like 2-1? How'd that work out for the gamblers?

[fattymcgee]

If you even consider this, better do your homework.

It's risky no doubt. But it fills a number of categories...

-Line up with the younger timeline.
-But yet not taking a huge step back since you don't own all of your draft capital.
-Not exactly reverting to small ball, so Connelly's vision stays intact.
-Money is similar this next season, but doesn't spike after next...essentially could probably pay both Zion and Naz combined for what Towns will make.
-Add a box office superstar. Ticket and jersey sales would skyrocket.
-On-court talent has never been questioned.
-Ant and Zion would be a highlight factory, tons of national games.

Games missed by season:
48
21
82
53

Purely based on the games he did play he'd be a top 5 to top 10 player, he's that dominant. BUT he cannot stay on the court.

[Klomp]

Games missed by season:
48
21
82
53

Purely based on the games he did play he'd be a top 5 to top 10 player, he's that dominant. BUT he cannot stay on the court.

And that's the only reason someone of his age, talent and ability is even possibly available.

[shrink]

Rumor is that Tim Connolly is trying to trade into the first round. If the team is truly rolling it back, there’s not a lot to offer:

Taurean Prince $7.65 mil expiring. (maybe he starts in MEM or POR?)

Wendell Moore Jr, 26th pick, 2022 draft
Josh Minott, 45th pick, 2022 draft. Hinkie Special. Connolly said he thinks of the project as his 2023 1st.

Sign-and-trade candidate Naz Reid (if a team wants to outbid the cap space teams). NAW too.

Second Round picks
2023: #53
2024: least favorable between MEM and WAS
2025: UTA
2026: UTA
2026: least favorable between SA, MIA, IND

It’s doubtful any single asset could bring a first back on its own, so what would we package?

Two teams that might be looking to move a late first are CHA (2, 27, 34, 39, 41) and IND (7, 26, 29, 32, 55).

[cmoss84]

KAT?

[cmoss84]

I would like to keep him...but i can easily see him being traded and Naz playing along side Rudy.

[MN7725]

Rumor is that Tim Connolly is trying to trade into the first round. If the team is truly rolling it back, there’s not a lot to offer:

Taurean Prince $7.65 mil expiring. (Maybe he starts in MEM or POR)

Wendell Moore Jr, 26th pick, 2022 draft
Josh Minott, 45th pick, 2022 draft. Hinkie Special. Connolly said he thinks of the project as his 2023 1st.

Sign-and-trade candidate Naz Reid (if a team wants to outbid the cap space teams). NAW too.

Second Round picks
2023: #53
2024: least favorable between MEM and WAS
2025: UTA
2026: UTA
2026: least favorable between SA, MIA, IND

It’s doubtful any single asset could bring a first back on its own, so what would we package?

Two teams that might be looking to move a late first are CHA (2, 27, 34, 39, 41) and IND (7, 26, 29, 32, 55).

only thing I could think of was Prince for longer deal the other might want to get off of, but didn't see one that made sense even in 20-30 pick teams

[shrink]

I think maybe three 2nds?

[TimberKat]

I was listening to the NBA Front Office Show podcast, and they reported that today the Vegas odds over who goes #2 dramatically shifted towards Scoot. This usually only happens when someone knows something, like the odds on Banchero going #1 over Jabari walker last year changed drastically on draft day

Could mean CHA is drafting him, but it also could mean a Scoot trade is in the works!

You could just read my post instead . Scoot is clearly the #2 at the moment. Maybe CHA trade Ball instead?

[TimberKat]

It's risky no doubt. But it fills a number of categories...

-Line up with the younger timeline.
-But yet not taking a huge step back since you don't own all of your draft capital.
-Not exactly reverting to small ball, so Connelly's vision stays intact.
-Money is similar this next season, but doesn't spike after next...essentially could probably pay both Zion and Naz combined for what Towns will make.
-Add a box office superstar. Ticket and jersey sales would skyrocket.
-On-court talent has never been questioned.
-Ant and Zion would be a highlight factory, tons of national games.

I cannot stress this enough. If the Pelicans are trying to trade Williamson, that says it all. It would behoove this organization to stay clear.

Unless you are Khan: Let's get Beasley and Milicic in here. Even though they don't like Basketball, they will like me and Minnesota enough to play at all star level.

[wolves_89]

Rumor is that Tim Connolly is trying to trade into the first round. If the team is truly rolling it back, there’s not a lot to offer:

Taurean Prince $7.65 mil expiring. (maybe he starts in MEM or POR?)

Wendell Moore Jr, 26th pick, 2022 draft
Josh Minott, 45th pick, 2022 draft. Hinkie Special. Connolly said he thinks of the project as his 2023 1st.

Sign-and-trade candidate Naz Reid (if a team wants to outbid the cap space teams). NAW too.

Second Round picks
2023: #53
2024: least favorable between MEM and WAS
2025: UTA
2026: UTA
2026: least favorable between SA, MIA, IND

It’s doubtful any single asset could bring a first back on its own, so what would we package?

Two teams that might be looking to move a late first are CHA (2, 27, 34, 39, 41) and IND (7, 26, 29, 32, 55).

I'd be asking Indiana about Prince for #32. The Pacers really need a wing with size and Prince could fill that need fairly cheaply. At #32 I'd be hoping to draft Sasser.

[TimberKat]

Push come to shove, I'd rather roll the dice on the Round Mound of Hoe Town than a collection mediocre picks and salary fillers. It should be an interesting couple of days in the NBA.

Well, I don't think we would trade Towns for mediocre picks and filler, so I don't think it is a choice between the two, it is the difference between safer high end young talent and picks and a human question mark that has the talent to be a legitimate super-star.

I certainly haven't been impressed by some of the mock proposals that we've seen on these boards. I know this for certain...KAT is one of the top 15-20 talents in the NBA and getting equal/better compensation might be close to impossible at this time.

Trade proposals are difficult to comprise for three (3) reasons:

1. We always inherently overvalue our own players and picks

2. We always inherently undervalue the players on other teams

3. We always want to "win" the trade we are proposing

I seriously doubt there is a trade available right now that is worth parting with the skill set of KAT.

Keep in mind...we lost to LA at their place in OT after going cold in the 4th with a recuperating KAT and no McDaniels or Reid. That LA team lost in the WCF's to a team that we had more success against than they did in the playoffs.

I personally think we're closer than some on here believe.

Yes, didn't we also had winning record against most of the playoff teams? Just move the end of bench guys and get a solid backup will move us into 4th place.

[Domejandro]

I'm an advocate for risk-taking, but Zion Williamson would be a terrifying gamble. Beyond the health issues (which is 98% of the fear), the spacing would be pretty scary and the off-court drama has been wild. That said, Zion is among the most unguardable players in the NBA and would demolish interior defenses, alongside Anthony Edwards. Minnesota would consistently be putting teams in major foul trouble, with those two.

That said, it is not worth speculating on much because it almost certainly isn't happening. Charlotte would obviously opt for Zion Williamson over Karl-Anthony Towns (they need to gamble on top-tier talent and a LaMelo Ball and Zion Williamson duo is a dream scenario for ownership). I tend to think Portland would probably prefer gambling on Zion Williamson as well, given how high his potential ceiling is.

[SO_MONEY]

I'm an advocate for risk-taking, but Zion Williamson would be a terrifying gamble. Beyond the health issues (which is 98% of the fear), the spacing would be pretty scary and the off-court drama has been wild. That said, Zion is among the most unguardable players in the NBA and would demolish interior defenses, alongside Anthony Edwards. Minnesota would consistently be putting teams in major foul trouble, with those two.

That said, it is not worth speculating on much because it almost certainly isn't happening. Charlotte would obviously opt for Zion Williamson over Karl-Anthony Towns (they need to gamble on top-tier talent and a LaMelo Ball and Zion Williamson duo is a dream scenario for ownership). I tend to think Portland would probably prefer gambling on Zion Williamson as well, given how high his potential ceiling is.

Respectfully I don't think they would obviously opt for Zion.

[SO_MONEY]

Games missed by season:
48
21
82
53

Purely based on the games he did play he'd be a top 5 to top 10 player, he's that dominant. BUT he cannot stay on the court.

And that's the only reason someone of his age, talent and ability is even possibly available.

And the only reason teams would decline.

[thinktank]

Games missed by season:
48
21
82
53

Purely based on the games he did play he'd be a top 5 to top 10 player, he's that dominant. BUT he cannot stay on the court.

And that's the only reason someone of his age, talent and ability is even possibly available.

And the only reason teams would decline.

You don’t think a team says no based on his off court drama?

I do.

Zion could’ve played at the end of last season, btw.

To me it looks like the Pels don’t play Zion when they don’t think they have a shot at winning it all (because his body is high risk).

Put Zion on any team with a real shot to win it all and watch him suddenly play more games.

[lewdog]

I'm firmly in the "We're not going to get value for Kat, and I really don't want to trade him anyway" camp.
But my friend Gobert is another story. My last swing at a Gobert trade before the draft.
Atlanta
Out: Collins and Capela
In: Gobert,
Gobert joins his old coach & rekindles some of that All-Star Jazz magic from a couple of seasons ago.

Dallas
Out: THJ, a couple of future 2nds
In: Capela
Gets the serviceable big that they sorely need.

Minnesota
Out: Gobert
In: THJ, Collins, Dallas future 2nds
Kat can return to his more comfortable center position with the addition of Collins.
Wolves also get a shooter, which they are sorely in need of.

[Baseline81]

I'm firmly in the "We're not going to get value for Kat, and I really don't want to trade him anyway" camp.
But my friend Gobert is another story. My last swing at a Gobert trade before the draft.
Atlanta
Out: Collins and Capela
In: Gobert,
Gobert joins his old coach & rekindles some of that All-Star Jazz magic from a couple of seasons ago.

Dallas
Out: THJ, a couple of future 2nds
In: Capela
Gets the serviceable big that they sorely need.

Minnesota
Out: Gobert
In: THJ, Collins, Dallas future 2nds
Kat can return to his more comfortable center position with the addition of Collins.
Wolves also get a shooter, which they are sorely in need of.

[lewdog]

I'm firmly in the "We're not going to get value for Kat, and I really don't want to trade him anyway" camp.
But my friend Gobert is another story. My last swing at a Gobert trade before the draft.
Atlanta
Out: Collins and Capela
In: Gobert,
Gobert joins his old coach & rekindles some of that All-Star Jazz magic from a couple of seasons ago.

Dallas
Out: THJ, a couple of future 2nds
In: Capela
Gets the serviceable big that they sorely need.

Minnesota
Out: Gobert
In: THJ, Collins, Dallas future 2nds
Kat can return to his more comfortable center position with the addition of Collins.
Wolves also get a shooter, which they are sorely in need of.

Interesting. Please share, what you'd expect back from a Gobert trade.

[Domejandro]

I'm firmly in the "We're not going to get value for Kat, and I really don't want to trade him anyway" camp.
But my friend Gobert is another story. My last swing at a Gobert trade before the draft.
Atlanta
Out: Collins and Capela
In: Gobert,
Gobert joins his old coach & rekindles some of that All-Star Jazz magic from a couple of seasons ago.

Dallas
Out: THJ, a couple of future 2nds
In: Capela
Gets the serviceable big that they sorely need.

Minnesota
Out: Gobert
In: THJ, Collins, Dallas future 2nds
Kat can return to his more comfortable center position with the addition of Collins.
Wolves also get a shooter, which they are sorely in need of.

...

Interesting. Please share, what you'd expect back from a Gobert trade.

A hell of a lot more than two terrible contracts and seconds.