Markelle Fultz Discussion

[Baller1234a]

Take a look at this guys
https://www.celticsblog.com/2017/9/8/16277022/ss-investigation-danny-ainge-draft-record
No bias due to it being a sixers fan too

Well the bias here is he is using his opinion for the evaluation of the players performance. Tony Allen is not a solid starter. He's started around half of his NBA games, almost zero of which came when he was a member of the celtics, and his career WS/48 of .104 and BPM of 1.1 indicate he's been an average starter.

Gerald Green is not a sixth man. Neither in the amount of minutes he plays 19.5. WS/48 .065 or BPM of -2.4.

Also how does Jared Sullinger get a B-? C is average right and the author admits much better talent was available. If this author is a sixer fan Anna Navarro is a republican.

I also love how he uses slash lines as well especially for a chucker like smart says it's too early tell then at the bottom labels it a solid pick. if he won't say it I will you should get more out of the 6th overall pick then a PG who can defend but can't shoot a lick.

Tony Allen was a great pick for his slot period.
GG I agree
Who would you have picked in front of smart?
The name of his company is SixersScience lol

[Sixerscan]

Gerald Green and Tony Allen were taken over a decade ago.

[LloydFree]

Ainge has drafted one starting quality player since 2007.

Literally the only Celtic draft picks since 07 to start 40 games in a season are Bradley and Sullinger.

From 2014 thru 2016 76er had six (6) 1st round picks including three (3) top 3 picks and somehow Avery Bradley​ and Marcus Smart would have still been the 3rd and 4th (or 5th) best players on our team last year.

[spikeslovechild]

Ainge has drafted one starting quality player since 2007.

Literally the only Celtic draft picks since 07 to start 40 games in a season are Bradley and Sullinger.

From 2014 thru 2016 76er had six (6) 1st round picks including three (3) top 3 picks and somehow Avery Bradley​ and Marcus Smart would have still been the 3rd and 4th (or 5th best) players on our team last year.

Avery Bradley has been in the league seven years.

[spikeslovechild]

Take a look at this guys
https://www.celticsblog.com/2017/9/8/16277022/ss-investigation-danny-ainge-draft-record
No bias due to it being a sixers fan too

Well the bias here is he is using his opinion for the evaluation of the players performance. Tony Allen is not a solid starter. He's started around half of his NBA games, almost zero of which came when he was a member of the celtics, and his career WS/48 of .104 and BPM of 1.1 indicate he's been an average starter.

Gerald Green is not a sixth man. Neither in the amount of minutes he plays 19.5. WS/48 .065 or BPM of -2.4.

Also how does Jared Sullinger get a B-? C is average right and the author admits much better talent was available. If this author is a sixer fan Anna Navarro is a republican.

I also love how he uses slash lines as well especially for a chucker like smart says it's too early tell then at the bottom labels it a solid pick. if he won't say it I will you should get more out of the 6th overall pick then a PG who can defend but can't shoot a lick.

Tony Allen was a great pick for his slot period.
GG I agree
Who would you have picked in front of smart?
The name of his company is SixersScience lol

I don't dispute that. I dispute the evaluation of him
.
If I remember correctly didn't Zach Lavine, Dario Saric, and Randle get picked after him? Pick one all three are better now and have more room to grow.

[Baller1234a]

Well the bias here is he is using his opinion for the evaluation of the players performance. Tony Allen is not a solid starter. He's started around half of his NBA games, almost zero of which came when he was a member of the celtics, and his career WS/48 of .104 and BPM of 1.1 indicate he's been an average starter.

Gerald Green is not a sixth man. Neither in the amount of minutes he plays 19.5. WS/48 .065 or BPM of -2.4.

Also how does Jared Sullinger get a B-? C is average right and the author admits much better talent was available. If this author is a sixer fan Anna Navarro is a republican.

I also love how he uses slash lines as well especially for a chucker like smart says it's too early tell then at the bottom labels it a solid pick. if he won't say it I will you should get more out of the 6th overall pick then a PG who can defend but can't shoot a lick.

Tony Allen was a great pick for his slot period.
GG I agree
Who would you have picked in front of smart?
The name of his company is SixersScience lol

I don't dispute that. I dispute the evaluation of him
.
If I remember correctly didn't Zach Lavine, Dario Saric, and Randle get picked after him? Pick one all three are better now and have more room to grow.

Zach Lavine is the opposite of Smart but with an ACL tear
Randle is not better than Smart. Smart has 1 elite skill
Dario Saric I will give you but he was not in the 6 range at the time of the draft

[LloydFree]

Tony Allen was a great pick for his slot period.
GG I agree
Who would you have picked in front of smart?
The name of his company is SixersScience lol

I don't dispute that. I dispute the evaluation of him
.
If I remember correctly didn't Zach Lavine, Dario Saric, and Randle get picked after him? Pick one all three are better now and have more room to grow.

Zach Lavine is the opposite of Smart but with an ACL tear
Randle is not better than Smart. Smart has 1 elite skill
Dario Saric I will give you but he was not in the 6 range at the time of the draft

Marcus Smart is a superior basketball player to all three of those guys. I never thought I'd say this: But where is kobblehead when you need him?

[Unbreakable99]

Tony Allen was a great pick for his slot period.
GG I agree
Who would you have picked in front of smart?
The name of his company is SixersScience lol

I don't dispute that. I dispute the evaluation of him
.
If I remember correctly didn't Zach Lavine, Dario Saric, and Randle get picked after him? Pick one all three are better now and have more room to grow.

Zach Lavine is the opposite of Smart but with an ACL tear
Randle is not better than Smart. Smart has 1 elite skill
Dario Saric I will give you but he was not in the 6 range at the time of the draft

Smart is better than Saric. I'd trade Saric straight up for Smart right now. Ainge wouldn't do it straight up though. We'd have to add more to it. And I like Saric. I like Smart better. Every team needs a Marcus Smart on it.

[Baller1234a]

I don't dispute that. I dispute the evaluation of him
.
If I remember correctly didn't Zach Lavine, Dario Saric, and Randle get picked after him? Pick one all three are better now and have more room to grow.

Zach Lavine is the opposite of Smart but with an ACL tear
Randle is not better than Smart. Smart has 1 elite skill
Dario Saric I will give you but he was not in the 6 range at the time of the draft

Smart is better than Saric. I'd trade Saric straight up for Smart right now. Ainge wouldn't do it straight up though. We'd have to add more to it. And I like Saric. I like Smart better. Every team needs a Marcus Smart on it.

Really? Some PHI fans told me Saric was better than brown

[Unbreakable99]

Zach Lavine is the opposite of Smart but with an ACL tear
Randle is not better than Smart. Smart has 1 elite skill
Dario Saric I will give you but he was not in the 6 range at the time of the draft

Smart is better than Saric. I'd trade Saric straight up for Smart right now. Ainge wouldn't do it straight up though. We'd have to add more to it. And I like Saric. I like Smart better. Every team needs a Marcus Smart on it.

Really? Some PHI fans told me Saric was better than brown

I'm not too high on Brown but I think he has a higher ceiling than Saric. At least he has the tools to be a good defender. Saric doesn't. Saric has intangibles Brown may not have though.

[Sixerscan]

Ainge has drafted one starting quality player since 2007.

Literally the only Celtic draft picks since 07 to start 40 games in a season are Bradley and Sullinger.

From 2014 thru 2016 76er had six (6) 1st round picks including three (3) top 3 picks and somehow Avery Bradley​ and Marcus Smart would have still been the 3rd and 4th (or 5th) best players on our team last year.

is this supposed to make sense?

[Ericb5]

I don't dispute that. I dispute the evaluation of him
.
If I remember correctly didn't Zach Lavine, Dario Saric, and Randle get picked after him? Pick one all three are better now and have more room to grow.

Zach Lavine is the opposite of Smart but with an ACL tear
Randle is not better than Smart. Smart has 1 elite skill
Dario Saric I will give you but he was not in the 6 range at the time of the draft

Smart is better than Saric. I'd trade Saric straight up for Smart right now. Ainge wouldn't do it straight up though. We'd have to add more to it. And I like Saric. I like Smart better. Every team needs a Marcus Smart on it.

I'd probably trade Saric for Smart today too. We need a bulldog perimeter defender more than we need a play making bench big.

I think that they are comparable talents though.


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[Sixerscan]

Smart needs the ball in his hands to not be a complete zero on offense. That's not happening here.

Even if it was close Dario has two more years on a rookie deal that Smart does...

[LloydFree]

I don't dispute that. I dispute the evaluation of him
.
If I remember correctly didn't Zach Lavine, Dario Saric, and Randle get picked after him? Pick one all three are better now and have more room to grow.

Zach Lavine is the opposite of Smart but with an ACL tear
Randle is not better than Smart. Smart has 1 elite skill
Dario Saric I will give you but he was not in the 6 range at the time of the draft

Smart is better than Saric. I'd trade Saric straight up for Smart right now. Ainge wouldn't do it straight up though. We'd have to add more to it. And I like Saric. I like Smart better. Every team needs a Marcus Smart on it.

Of course he's better than Saric and Julius Randle isn't close to being as good as Smart.

[spikeslovechild]

Smart needs the ball in his hands to not be a complete zero on offense. That's not happening here.

Even if it was close Dario has two more years on a rookie deal that Smart does...

A big part of the problem I have with Smart isn't the fact he's a zero on offense it's that he's a zero who plays like he's a hero.

[spikeslovechild]

Zach Lavine is the opposite of Smart but with an ACL tear
Randle is not better than Smart. Smart has 1 elite skill
Dario Saric I will give you but he was not in the 6 range at the time of the draft

Smart is better than Saric. I'd trade Saric straight up for Smart right now. Ainge wouldn't do it straight up though. We'd have to add more to it. And I like Saric. I like Smart better. Every team needs a Marcus Smart on it.

I'd probably trade Saric for Smart today too. We need a bulldog perimeter defender more than we need a play making bench big.

I think that they are comparable talents though.


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We could probably get Iman for free if we wanted. He's better then Smart on offense (not saying much) and more versatile on defense.

To be clear I don't want either but why would you give up an asset for Smart?

[Unbreakable99]

Smart is better than Saric. I'd trade Saric straight up for Smart right now. Ainge wouldn't do it straight up though. We'd have to add more to it. And I like Saric. I like Smart better. Every team needs a Marcus Smart on it.

I'd probably trade Saric for Smart today too. We need a bulldog perimeter defender more than we need a play making bench big.

I think that they are comparable talents though.


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We could probably get Iman for free if we wanted. He's better then Smart on offense (not saying much) and more versatile on defense.

To be clear I don't want either but why would you give up an asset for Smart?

Because Smart is a good player. He's not the greatest shooter but he's ok. I like him more because of defensive versatility. He can defend PGs SGs and SFs very well. We don't have any good or reliable defensive Gs at this moment. Only Covington is good but he's a wing. Smart would be great for us.

[Ericb5]

Smart is better than Saric. I'd trade Saric straight up for Smart right now. Ainge wouldn't do it straight up though. We'd have to add more to it. And I like Saric. I like Smart better. Every team needs a Marcus Smart on it.

I'd probably trade Saric for Smart today too. We need a bulldog perimeter defender more than we need a play making bench big.

I think that they are comparable talents though.


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We could probably get Iman for free if we wanted. He's better then Smart on offense (not saying much) and more versatile on defense.

To be clear I don't want either but why would you give up an asset for Smart?

Because I like Smart. I like Saric too, but if we had Smart and he was the first guard off the bench then he would give us things that we don't currently have.

You could even play Smart, Redick and Fultz together with Embiid and Simmons. Or Smart, Fultz and Covington.

Smart is a winning player and a stud on defense at least, and you could play him with two other shooters, along with Simmons and Embiid.

He is one of those guys that will be contagious in a locker room.


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[the_process]

Man, this thread could give a dead man an aneurysm.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Ainge's drafting has nothing to do with whether this was a good trade or not. It's about the value you gave up and the value you received. In my eyes (which is the minority view) there is no way this trade favors the 76ers, no matter what the future pick turns into. But that's because I wouldn't have picked Fultz at all. So giving up a 2nd round pick to move up, would have been a loss to me. What Ainge does with the assets once we've flushed them, doesn't help me one way or the other.

But if you are of the belief that Fultz was the best player in this draft, the 76ers won this trade, period. If you don't think the 76ers got the best player, then you're not going to like the trade. Id trade two lottery picks nearly every year, if I knew I could get the best player in the draft. It's absolutely worth it. One "great" is better than two "very goods", IMO. The trade keeps getting brought up, because there are a few who don't think Fultz is great or was the best player.

Look I think the Sixers got the best player in the draft but that doesn't matter. What matters is if Fultz IS the best player in the draft which we will know I think pretty early.

From my perspective Fultz and Ball were going 1 and 2 regardless so anyone after that is game not just Tatum. Personally, I would have preferred DSJ over Tatum as my next choice. I actually kind of wonder if the Celtics thought they would be taking Tatum or they sort of got roped into it by Ball and DSJ refusing to workout. We'll see.

Well, the Celtics worked out DSJ twice, and there was zero shot for Ball to drop beyond the Lakers, so I'd venture your theory is incorrect.

June 7th workout:
http://nypost.com/2017/06/04/one-of-the-great-point-guards-will-go-to-team-that-takes-chance/

Week before the draft workout:
http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2017/06/dennis_smith_jr_working_out_fo.html