Nuggets Trades

[skywalker33]

Some people dont want to trade picks, even though coach doesnt play rookies much and Jokic has contract for next 2years. There is no time to develop rookies and risk Jokic leaving, which i think might happen because when his contract ends he will be 28 with Murray still on contract for 2years, and porter too(if signed). If they dont play conf finals again in next 2 years, why would he stay with the same team?


Jokic is playing unreal last 2years, this year if he keeps his stats with this efficiency only thing stoping him to take MVP is Denver not having good enough record. And risking Jokic walking away in 3years because of MPJ, Harris, Barton or few picks that will warm the bench anyways is ridiculous to me. Jokic is a great guy and i think he loves Denver but if they dont build a better team around him im sure he will leave somewhere where he will be able to compete for Title/MVP award(Porzingis contract ends at the same time as Jokic, and i think he could team up with Doncic)

First, I have to say your Debbie Downer approach here just irks me to no end.

Second, if you think Jokic will leave, where does he go ?? LAL, MIA, perhaps NYK or CHI ?? To me, I just don't see Joker as being that BIG CITY type guy, it feels like he enjoys his time here in Denver. Realistically, the only place I could see him going is back home to play in Europe, but I also think he wants to prove himself on the biggest stage....the NBA.

Lastly, Joker is certainly MVP worthy already, but I really don't believe he's into all the accolades. To my knowledge, he's never commented on how he should have won this or that the coach needs to feed him the ball so he can score 30+ppg, he just isn't that shallow of a guy. I see more Euro fans wanting him to pad his stats than he does, wonder why that is ??

[baksuzz]

Hmm, you might be right, we might lose Jokic. But do you know him personally that well? "Everyone" said Lillard wouldn't stay in Portland and "everyone" still says that. Yet he stays.

Yeah, we hang out all the time in Sombor on weekends

Lillard is only one example and he is only 30, doesnt mean he wont request a trade before his contract ends
"Everyone" said Kawhi will be a Spur forever, Durant would stay in OKC forever... Davis left after they couldnt do anything

I still think Jokic would not stay for his best years on a team that cant get to finals/conf finals. No matter how much he liked Denver i believe he wants to win and if he is not able to have a good chance at winning i think he will go play with Doncic or Giannis. And no one could blame him for leaving. That is just my opinion, i can be wrong of course.

[baksuzz]

First, I have to say your Debbie Downer approach here just irks me to no end.

Second, if you think Jokic will leave, where does he go ?? LAL, MIA, perhaps NYK or CHI ?? To me, I just don't see Joker as being that BIG CITY type guy, it feels like he enjoys his time here in Denver. Realistically, the only place I could see him going is back home to play in Europe, but I also think he wants to prove himself on the biggest stage....the NBA.

Lastly, Joker is certainly MVP worthy already, but I really don't believe he's into all the accolades. To my knowledge, he's never commented on how he should have won this or that the coach needs to feed him the ball so he can score 30+ppg, he just isn't that shallow of a guy. I see more Euro fans wanting him to pad his stats than he does, wonder why that is ??

Dallas with Doncic and Cuban as GM, Boston with Tatum,Brown,Smart, Bucks with Giannis come to mind...
its not like there is no teams for him to go to

I dont think that his goal is to win MVP or any other individual award, but im sure he wants to win title(s) before he retires.

[skywalker33]

Hmm, you might be right, we might lose Jokic. But do you know him personally that well? "Everyone" said Lillard wouldn't stay in Portland and "everyone" still says that. Yet he stays.

Yeah, we hang out all the time in Sombor on weekends

Lillard is only one example and he is only 30, doesnt mean he wont request a trade before his contract ends
"Everyone" said Kawhi will be a Spur forever, Durant would stay in OKC forever... Davis left after they couldnt do anything

I still think Jokic would not stay for his best years on a team that cant get to finals/conf finals. No matter how much he liked Denver i believe he wants to win and if he is not able to have a good chance at winning i think he will go play with Doncic or Giannis. And no one could blame him for leaving. That is just my opinion, i can be wrong of course.

There has been good growth/progress of this team, Rome wasn't built in a day and all. Two years ago we were within one game of the WCF, last year we played in the WCFs, it not like this team is a constant lottery team, that's what it feels like you're suggesting. We aren't rocking this season yet but it is still early. We've also had to deal with almost 1/2 of a new team (7 new players) so chemistry has to gel, we've had injuries early on, JaMychel Green, who Joker LOVES playing with missed the 1st 4 games, Murray a couple with an elbow injury and MPJ missing multiple games because of COVID (got my own feelings on that one). Yet we are still just 3 games from our division lead.....newsflash, the sky ISN"T FALLING !!!!

When you have something more than a "feeling" that states Jokic is disgruntled, let us know, alright ?? Feels like you think he just wants to play with Doncic, which he may, but sounds more like that's what YOU want. Everyone has their own opinion, even if it wrong like yours

[skywalker33]

First, I have to say your Debbie Downer approach here just irks me to no end.

Second, if you think Jokic will leave, where does he go ?? LAL, MIA, perhaps NYK or CHI ?? To me, I just don't see Joker as being that BIG CITY type guy, it feels like he enjoys his time here in Denver. Realistically, the only place I could see him going is back home to play in Europe, but I also think he wants to prove himself on the biggest stage....the NBA.

Lastly, Joker is certainly MVP worthy already, but I really don't believe he's into all the accolades. To my knowledge, he's never commented on how he should have won this or that the coach needs to feed him the ball so he can score 30+ppg, he just isn't that shallow of a guy. I see more Euro fans wanting him to pad his stats than he does, wonder why that is ??

Dallas with Doncic and Cuban as GM, Boston with Tatum,Brown,Smart, Bucks with Giannis come to mind...
its not like there is no teams for him to go to

I dont think that his goal is to win MVP or any other individual award, but im sure he wants to win title(s) before he retires.

Good options, I guess, DAL seems only viable but is that a better situation than DEN ? Were he to go play there the only things they have are Doncic and that Cuban is willing to spend money. However, they've given up draft picks for KP (who may/may not be playing there with his health), have nothing else on that team worth crap and wouldn't have any cap space to improve .

BOS also doesn't seem to have better prospects IMO, DEN can match up with those players and they had about as much success as we have in the playoffs plus now they go head-to-head in the East with the Net and Bucks. As for the Bucks, they just blew their wad on Jrue, so draft capital and cap space are gone too so unless you think Jokic will take a huge salary reduction, you're don't think things all the way through with any of those 3 teams

However, that just my opinion on your posts here, gotta give you And1 for options that I didn't identify. Please, feel free to enlighten us all if you feel anything I posted is incorrect.

[baksuzz]

Two years ago we were within one game of the WCF, last year we played in the WCFs, it not like this team is a constant lottery team, that's what it feels like you're suggesting.

True team success is getting better last years, but Denver beat Spurs by 4-3 as a 2.seed in 2019, lost vs Portland 4-3 with home court in second round. That portland team was swept later by GSW. in 2020 beat Jazz after 3-1 comeback and Clippers too. Later Lakers beat them without much problems.
So i think the team overachieved and even though it might seem they are close to the title, i dont think they had a chance vs Lakers, or GSW in 2019 if they beat Portland. Thats why i think you need something better then Murray and MPJ.

Good options, I guess, DAL seems only viable but is that a better situation than DEN ? Were he to go play there the only things they have are Doncic and that Cuban is willing to spend money. However, they've given up draft picks for KP (who may/may not be playing there with his health), have nothing else on that team worth crap and wouldn't have any cap space to improve .

BOS also doesn't seem to have better prospects IMO, DEN can match up with those players and they had about as much success as we have in the playoffs plus now they go head-to-head in the East with the Net and Bucks. As for the Bucks, they just blew their wad on Jrue, so draft capital and cap space are gone too so unless you think Jokic will take a huge salary reduction, you're don't think things all the way through with any of those 3 teams

However, that just my opinion on your posts here, gotta give you And1 for options that I didn't identify. Please, feel free to enlighten us all if you feel anything I posted is incorrect.

I strongly disagree(and im pretty sure most of the people that are not DEN fans) with DEN having better prospects then BOS, Tatum and Brown being one of the best young 2way players in NBA, both atm better then either Murray or MPJ. Smart is better then Harris or Barton and i dont see Denver bench being better then BOS. Kemba contract will run out by then anyways.
I think it would be a perfect spot for Jokic, playing with Tatum, Brown and Smart

For Dallas: playing with Doncic is much more appealing then Murray/MPJ, Porzingis contract will run out by then and they will have all the rest of the cap to sign the rest of the team. Picks dont matter much when you are going for a title, there is no playing time for them anyways.

If Denver goes to WCF/Finals next 2 years for example i also think he stays, but im not sure they will with this squad. I would really like to see Jokic win it all with Denver but i am not sure that will happen

But lets finish with other teams on this board, hope to see Denver improving and competing in next few years

[skywalker33]

True team success is getting better last years, but Denver beat Spurs by 4-3 as a 2.seed in 2019, lost vs Portland 4-3 with home court in second round. That portland team was swept later by GSW. in 2020 beat Jazz after 3-1 comeback and Clippers too. Later Lakers beat them without much problems.
So i think the team overachieved and even though it might seem they are close to the title, i dont think they had a chance vs Lakers, or GSW in 2019 if they beat Portland. Thats why i think you need something better then Murray and MPJ

My point is we HAVE gotten better, you just don't want to acknowledge it. You act like our win over the Spurs was nothing, that POR (who had a very good team) was nothing because they were swept by GSW (most are on record saying we would have been a better matchup for the Warriors that year) and the Lakers were impervious because they beat the Clipper,( actually the Clipper dominated the Lakers in the regular season iirc) a team which we beat in the playoff. You ignore that 2 of our LAL playoff games appeared to be dominated more by the ref than the Lakers, that one game was a hail-Mary type buzzer-beater by AD (which was lucky because he was clearly out of his range), give all piece of the puzzle, not just the ones to support your opinion.

I

strongly disagree(and im pretty sure most of the people that are not DEN fans) with DEN having better prospects then BOS, Tatum and Brown being one of the best young 2way players in NBA, both atm better then either Murray or MPJ. Smart is better then Harris or Barton and i dont see Denver bench being better then BOS. Kemba contract will run out by then anyways.
I think it would be a perfect spot for Jokic, playing with Tatum, Brown and Smart

For Dallas: playing with Doncic is much more appealing then Murray/MPJ, Porzingis contract will run out by then and they will have all the rest of the cap to sign the rest of the team. Picks dont matter much when you are going for a title, there is no playing time for them anyways.

If Denver goes to WCF/Finals next 2 years for example i also think he stays, but im not sure they will with this squad. I would really like to see Jokic win it all with Denver but i am not sure that will happen

But lets finish with other teams on this board, hope to see Denver improving and competing in next few years

By the tone of your post, I get you're a Jokic fan, that's it. Most Euro's love THEIR players and don't give a DAMN about the team, you fit that mold exactly. It really sounds like you just want to move Joker out of Denver, if he were to go to another team that underachieves you'd go off on them too. I see loyalty in Jokic, I'm confident he'll stay and try to build a championship team with Denver, but if he chooses to go somewhere else I'll wish him well until he plays the Nuggets, then I'll be rooting for my team as usual.

Sorry baksuzz, you're going onm my FOE list, don't see much within your posts but a disgruntled pile of BS and the life is too short to deal with crap.

[NuggetsWY]

Too many fans today, just want to buy all the superstars so their team (or favorite player) can get a championship. That works in big markets with massive fan bases that buy massive amounts of merchandise and where they get massive amounts of advertising dollars for the teams and I have no idea what else.

I'm an old man that has followed the Denver Rockets/Nuggets since the 1969 season. I have been frustrated many times with some of their moves, but have remained a faithful fan of the team - not the owner, not the GM, not the coach, not the players. For me it is about the team.

The modern fan, most of them anyway, only care about a championship.

The Denver Nuggets are willing to sign a free agent or make a trade, but throughout history they usually have tried to build a team through the draft. That's one of the reasons I still love the Nuggets. Many NBA teams don't keep players more than 2-4 years - they feel like college teams. Bring in this year's players and start looking for next year's players. The Lakers won the championship last year and this year the brought in five new veterans, most of whom are expected to play significant minutes.

I'm okay with the Nuggets trying to make this team work --- as long as I can gripe about the coach and the front office and sometimes the players. Then again, I'm okay with some of the trade ideas too.

[Alatan]

So probably not the most popular idea, but one to consider:

TOR trades Siakiam, Powell and 2021 1st
DEN trades Murray, Barton and 2021 1st

Nuggets get a stronger front line with better defense going forward. MPJ now gets opportunity to move up to 2nd option, Pascal gets less pressure on him with Jokic the true #1. Powell replaces Barton, both have PO's for next year, both expected to opt-out but no more ISO-drama. Morris moves into the starting unit, gives Facu more PT off the bench. Green can move to SF backup or we could give Bol more PT there. The pick swap could turn into a lottery pick, move us up to mid-teens at worst IMO.

Raptors get the home-town boy to pair with FVV, offers #1 prospect. Boucher moves to PF and gets Barton to replaces Powell's scoring off the bench.

I love if for the Nuggets but i doubt that Toronto fans would be willing to swap picks.

[Richard Miller]

Too many fans today, just want to buy all the superstars so their team (or favorite player) can get a championship. That works in big markets with massive fan bases that buy massive amounts of merchandise and where they get massive amounts of advertising dollars for the teams and I have no idea what else.

Well, that's the league fault first and foremost I'd say, relentlessly shoving the biggest stars down everybody's throat. What LeBron did on Taco Tuesday or which shoes Steph Curry designed is way bigger news than if the Nuggets (or Nuggets-like team) played a mind-blowingly good game the other day or Jokic posting literally historical numbers.

[skywalker33]

Too many fans today, just want to buy all the superstars so their team (or favorite player) can get a championship. That works in big markets with massive fan bases that buy massive amounts of merchandise and where they get massive amounts of advertising dollars for the teams and I have no idea what else.

Well, that's the league fault first and foremost I'd say, relentlessly shoving the biggest stars down everybody's throat. What LeBron did on Taco Tuesday or which shoes Steph Curry designed is way bigger news than if the Nuggets (or Nuggets-like team) played a mind-blowingly good game the other day or Jokic posting literally historical numbers.

Yeah, teams and rivalries have gone by the wayside, and IMO the sport will eventually pay for it. The NBA (and possibly Professional Soccer) is the biggest sports to do this, it'll eventually pay the price.

[NuggetsWY]

Too many fans today, just want to buy all the superstars so their team (or favorite player) can get a championship. That works in big markets with massive fan bases that buy massive amounts of merchandise and where they get massive amounts of advertising dollars for the teams and I have no idea what else.

Well, that's the league fault first and foremost I'd say, relentlessly shoving the biggest stars down everybody's throat. What LeBron did on Taco Tuesday or which shoes Steph Curry designed is way bigger news than if the Nuggets (or Nuggets-like team) played a mind-blowingly good game the other day or Jokic posting literally historical numbers.

Not really the league's fault IMO; it's our society. The same concept occurs in politics and movies and so on. ---- But the NBA might be the best at shoving those stars down our throats. David Stern did that to save the league in the old, old days - and it worked. The league was in big trouble until he focused everything on the stars.

[skywalker33]

Guys, I've been visiting some other team boards as well as viewing the TnT threads and it really seems we are doing this incorrectly. What it appears we need to do is maximize our investment by proposing trades that benefit the Nuggets only while ignoring the value or fit to any other team involved. As an example, I'd offer this tidbit"

TOR: Siakam and their 2021 1st
DEN: Cancar, Barton and our 2023 2nd, 2024 2nd.

We give a powerful PF to replace Pascal (who has fallen on the wayside with Boucher's development) and a versatile SF along with draft picks for a 3rd option that feels like their next DeRozen (all from their forum)

OK, I am bored, guess the levity is over.....

[NuggetsWY]

https://clutchpoints.com/zach-lavine-3-teams-that-could-trade-for-bulls-star/
Suggestion from Clutch Points that we trade Harris, Nnaji, 2021 1st, 2024 1st -for- LaVine

I don't like it and think it's a bit of an overpay, but it might make us better this year. I'm just not sure.

[skywalker33]

https://clutchpoints.com/zach-lavine-3-teams-that-could-trade-for-bulls-star/
Suggestion from Clutch Points that we trade Harris, Nnaji, 2021 1st, 2024 1st -for- LaVine

I don't like it and think it's a bit of an overpay, but it might make us better this year. I'm just not sure.

Here's just a few thoughts on that:

Click Bait
No Defense
Stupid Overpay
LaVine is a Talented Loser
Heck No
Hell No

Now do you want me to tell you how I really feel.......?? If that's what Clutchpoint thinks, I'd find another website unless you like trash.

[NuggetsWY]

https://clutchpoints.com/zach-lavine-3-teams-that-could-trade-for-bulls-star/
Suggestion from Clutch Points that we trade Harris, Nnaji, 2021 1st, 2024 1st -for- LaVine

I don't like it and think it's a bit of an overpay, but it might make us better this year. I'm just not sure.

Here's just a few thoughts on that:

Click Bait
No Defense
Stupid Overpay
LaVine is a Talented Loser
Heck No
Hell No

Now do you want me to tell you how I really feel.......?? If that's what Clutchpoint thinks, I'd find another website unless you like trash.

It's not a site I typically read; but I run a very large generic search every morning and this article came up.

Sometimes talented losers change on a different team. I don't worry much about defense because frankly, ours sucks. Even worse, there are multiple sites saying that in two years, he'll want to get a max contract. I don't see him that good and I doubt the Nuggets front office does either. So in my book, he'd be a two year rental.

I do believe he can help our offense for a couple of years ...

[skywalker33]

https://clutchpoints.com/zach-lavine-3-teams-that-could-trade-for-bulls-star/
Suggestion from Clutch Points that we trade Harris, Nnaji, 2021 1st, 2024 1st -for- LaVine

I don't like it and think it's a bit of an overpay, but it might make us better this year. I'm just not sure.

Here's just a few thoughts on that:

Click Bait
No Defense
Stupid Overpay
LaVine is a Talented Loser
Heck No
Hell No

Now do you want me to tell you how I really feel.......?? If that's what Clutchpoint thinks, I'd find another website unless you like trash.

It's not a site I typically read; but I run a very large generic search every morning and this article came up.

Sometimes talented losers change on a different team. I don't worry much about defense because frankly, ours sucks. Even worse, there are multiple sites saying that in two years, he'll want to get a max contract. I don't see him that good and I doubt the Nuggets front office does either. So in my book, he'd be a two year rental.

I do believe he can help our offense for a couple of years ...

Offense is NOT one of our problems and last I heard, LaVine never learned the language of Defense.

[skywalker33]

So I was viewing some trade proposals and I have to get something answered. Several of the big trades include trade swap options. But realistically, if you're expected to be the better team with the newly traded star, and the options aren't ever exercised because you have the better record, do they have any value ?

[NuggetsWY]

So I was viewing some trade proposals and I have to get something answered. Several of the big trades include trade swap options. But realistically, if you're expected to be the better team with the newly traded star, and the options aren't ever exercised because you have the better record, do they have any value ?

Yeah, I've wondered about that. The only thing I can figure is it ties up the better teams picks so they can't make another trade.

[TunaFish]

So I was viewing some trade proposals and I have to get something answered. Several of the big trades include trade swap options. But realistically, if you're expected to be the better team with the newly traded star, and the options aren't ever exercised because you have the better record, do they have any value ?

We got Murray as a result of a pick swap with the Knicks in the Melo trade. With a bit of foresight, they can be real valuable.