The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1

[bwgood77]

Steven Adams has been a nice surprise for me so far in the playoffs. After his huge injury and with his age and size I thought that he was basically done as a rotation player in the league...but he is looking really good out there with a big role coming from the bench.

He will be 32 years old next year. He probably will command a 2 year deal with a close to the full MLE.

Can we sign him for that $25M/2 years with that MLE money IF we get under the 2nd apron? He can probably be a nice starting C for 24 mpg.

Yeah, Adams has been great. I didn't watch much nba during the reg season, but watching role players like Adams or even Westbrook hustling during the playoffs has been fun.

Would love to get a player like Beasley, Josh Hart, or Norm Powell for bench scoring or spot starts.

Yeah, Adams has been underrated, and some here were saying he was terrible and Nurk was better earlier in the season when I mentioned we could use a tone setter, tough guy, offensive rebounder like him. He consistently leads the NBA in offensive rebounding by far. He did have a bad injury and then limited playing time, but he's good.

[Slim Charless]

Yeah, I thought the same, that I'd rather take the Houston package, but if we are keeping Book, I think it would be more likely we'd accept the Utah package. Not that I think we'd be very good, but for KD I still think it's a nice package and then when Book finally decides he wants to move on and stop fighting for the play in, we could deal Markkanen as well.

I would do that deal. I think that Zion has a higher ceiling but I like the idea of buying low on Lauri too. He had an off year and Utah was tanking and making him sit. He will be better next year I feel.

Actually I wonder if the Jazz will try and win nxt season finally. If that's, the case they might be ready to USE some of their youth and picks to get someone. KD would never go there, but just having them in the dicussion would be a good thing to drive up the price.

Yeah, I think the Jazz will start to compete. They will have 2 second year players in Collier and Filipowski, one 3rd year player in Sensabaugh and a 3rd year player in Kessler. Then they will have a top pick and the 21st pick. You can only not try to compete for so long before guys start to develop losing habits. Plus, if they get Cooper Flagg, you don't want to tank. But even any of the top guys. Bring them into a team really trying to compete. Start one or two vets but give all the young guys a lot of minutes.

I don't want them to get Flagg as I don't like the way they've tanked these last few years but landing 1 of the other guys is fine by me.

Maybe they can swing a trade for 1 of Boston's guys? Jrue makes sense on that young team and the Celtics will be capped out. They're the only team that has a higher projected pay roll than is us next year.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[Revived]

Former Grizzlies GM John Holllinger: “I was texting with people in Atlanta, asking them ‘Wait, is this *that* Brian Gregory?’…Apparently very close with Tom Izzo, and basically it sets us up for Mat Ishbia to be the GM.”

[Quote starts between 5:30 and 6 minute mark](https://open.spotify.com/episode/2FTJ2vCrIf1mYnIjaViM51?si=sQ60SL1bTfyzIKNYBh6Z1Q&context=spotify%3Ashow%3A5IQEIZpEp32XFef8MyQaq7)

**Hollinger:**

>Brian Gregory, man. I was texting with people in Atlanta, asking them “Wait, is this *that* Brian Gregory? The guy who was at Georgia Tech 15 years ago?” His biggest qualification for the job is that a quarter century ago, he was an assistant coach on the team that Mat Ishbia played on at Michigan State. Apparently very close with Tom Izzo, and basically it sets us up for Mat Ishbia to be the GM.

>James Jones is an advisor or whatever. The press release might as well said “James Jones has placed his name in the transfer portal.”

**Duncan:**

> From everything we hear, Jones had been disempowered for some time there. Maybe since the moment Mat Ishbia took over.

**Hollinger:**

>Yeah. I think we know the exact day, actually.

https://www.reddit.com/r/suns/s/AXfmLbMqkY

So yeah basically even we all guessed, James Jones hasn’t been running anything Suns related since Ishbia got ownership. And Ishbia has made sure that it’s gonna stay this way as well.

Suns reddit is usually full of delusional homers (think a population full of Sabestar type posters) that lack any type of sense but even the comments on this is finally people realizing that Ishbia is basically worse version of Jerry Jones.

The Suns ship is gonna get far worse than it gets better. Expect more bad trades.

Even with all the “making games free to watch on tv for home games” and the G league investment and all, it’s obvious this guy is a major control freak and it’s gonna ruin this franchise for decades to come. Mark my words, we’re all gonna wish Sarver had stayed on.

[bwgood77]

I would do that deal. I think that Zion has a higher ceiling but I like the idea of buying low on Lauri too. He had an off year and Utah was tanking and making him sit. He will be better next year I feel.

Actually I wonder if the Jazz will try and win nxt season finally. If that's, the case they might be ready to USE some of their youth and picks to get someone. KD would never go there, but just having them in the dicussion would be a good thing to drive up the price.

Yeah, I think the Jazz will start to compete. They will have 2 second year players in Collier and Filipowski, one 3rd year player in Sensabaugh and a 3rd year player in Kessler. Then they will have a top pick and the 21st pick. You can only not try to compete for so long before guys start to develop losing habits. Plus, if they get Cooper Flagg, you don't want to tank. But even any of the top guys. Bring them into a team really trying to compete. Start one or two vets but give all the young guys a lot of minutes.

I don't want them to get Flagg as I don't like the way they've tanked these last few years but landing 1 of the other guys is fine by me.

Maybe they can swing a trade for 1 of Boston's guys? Jrue makes sense on that young team and the Celtics will be capped out. They're the only team that has a higher projected pay roll than is us next year.

I doubt they want an expensive vet. Like Houston got Dillon Brooks, who I know is kind of expensive, but I'm talking more of a dirt worker guy that sets the tone on defense like that (I know Jrue is a dirt worker) but I'm thinking not as big of name. Probably will keep Jordan Clarkson around. But I'm thinking of a PJ Tucker type (though of course younger than he is now).

[bwgood77]

Former Grizzlies GM John Holllinger: “I was texting with people in Atlanta, asking them ‘Wait, is this *that* Brian Gregory?’…Apparently very close with Tom Izzo, and basically it sets us up for Mat Ishbia to be the GM.”

[Quote starts between 5:30 and 6 minute mark](https://open.spotify.com/episode/2FTJ2vCrIf1mYnIjaViM51?si=sQ60SL1bTfyzIKNYBh6Z1Q&context=spotify%3Ashow%3A5IQEIZpEp32XFef8MyQaq7)

**Hollinger:**

>Brian Gregory, man. I was texting with people in Atlanta, asking them “Wait, is this *that* Brian Gregory? The guy who was at Georgia Tech 15 years ago?” His biggest qualification for the job is that a quarter century ago, he was an assistant coach on the team that Mat Ishbia played on at Michigan State. Apparently very close with Tom Izzo, and basically it sets us up for Mat Ishbia to be the GM.

>James Jones is an advisor or whatever. The press release might as well said “James Jones has placed his name in the transfer portal.”

**Duncan:**

> From everything we hear, Jones had been disempowered for some time there. Maybe since the moment Mat Ishbia took over.

**Hollinger:**

>Yeah. I think we know the exact day, actually.

https://www.reddit.com/r/suns/s/AXfmLbMqkY

So yeah basically even we all guessed, James Jones hasn’t been running anything Suns related since Ishbia got ownership. And Ishbia has made sure that it’s gonna stay this way as well.

Suns reddit is usually full of delusional homers (think a population full of Sabestar type posters) that lack any type of sense but even the comments on this is finally people realizing that Ishbia is basically worse version of Jerry Jones.

The Suns ship is gonna get far worse than it gets better. Expect more bad trades.

Even with all the “making games free to watch on tv for home games” and the G league investment and all, it’s obvious this guy is a major control freak and it’s gonna ruin this franchise for decades to come. Mark my words, we’re all gonna wish Sarver had stayed on.

Yeah, those always calling for Jones head didn't make a ton of sense to me. It was obvious Ishbia was making decisions and all the other teams thinks he's crazy.

Jerry Jones at least won Super Bowls early and even for 3 straight years recently they were 12-4.

Ishbia is clueless on building a team and how important the draft is.

Prokhorov might be a better example. Basically done similar stuff. Luckily for them they had Gattison and still made good late picks and still somehow were pretty competitive and ended up with decent players like Jarrett Allen who they inexplicably traded because KD wanted his buddy Deandre Jordan.

[Slim Charless]

Former Grizzlies GM John Holllinger: “I was texting with people in Atlanta, asking them ‘Wait, is this *that* Brian Gregory?’…Apparently very close with Tom Izzo, and basically it sets us up for Mat Ishbia to be the GM.”

[Quote starts between 5:30 and 6 minute mark](https://open.spotify.com/episode/2FTJ2vCrIf1mYnIjaViM51?si=sQ60SL1bTfyzIKNYBh6Z1Q&context=spotify%3Ashow%3A5IQEIZpEp32XFef8MyQaq7)

**Hollinger:**

>Brian Gregory, man. I was texting with people in Atlanta, asking them “Wait, is this *that* Brian Gregory? The guy who was at Georgia Tech 15 years ago?” His biggest qualification for the job is that a quarter century ago, he was an assistant coach on the team that Mat Ishbia played on at Michigan State. Apparently very close with Tom Izzo, and basically it sets us up for Mat Ishbia to be the GM.

>James Jones is an advisor or whatever. The press release might as well said “James Jones has placed his name in the transfer portal.”

**Duncan:**

> From everything we hear, Jones had been disempowered for some time there. Maybe since the moment Mat Ishbia took over.

**Hollinger:**

>Yeah. I think we know the exact day, actually.

https://www.reddit.com/r/suns/s/AXfmLbMqkY

So yeah basically even we all guessed, James Jones hasn’t been running anything Suns related since Ishbia got ownership. And Ishbia has made sure that it’s gonna stay this way as well.

Suns reddit is usually full of delusional homers (think a population full of Sabestar type posters) that lack any type of sense but even the comments on this is finally people realizing that Ishbia is basically worse version of Jerry Jones.

The Suns ship is gonna get far worse than it gets better. Expect more bad trades.

Even with all the “making games free to watch on tv for home games” and the G league investment and all, it’s obvious this guy is a major control freak and it’s gonna ruin this franchise for decades to come. Mark my words, we’re all gonna wish Sarver had stayed on.

Yeah, those always calling for Jones head didn't make a ton of sense to me. It was obvious Ishbia was making decisions and all the other teams thinks he's crazy.

Jerry Jones at least won Super Bowls early and even for 3 straight years recently they were 12-4.

Ishbia is clueless on building a team and how important the draft is.

Prokhorov might be a better example. Basically done similar stuff. Luckily for them they had Gattison and still made good late picks and still somehow were pretty competitive and ended up with decent players like Jarrett Allen who they inexplicably traded because KD wanted his buddy Deandre Jordan.

The hope would be that maybe all the pressure Ish has gotten makes him calm down. Didn't Stephen A say that Ish was the worst owner in the history of the league or was it just worst current owner? ESPN has made articles on him and he has been clowned nationally-multiple times. That hurts your pride and will make you take a step back possibly. Unfortunetaly, he might need another year like this one to see the light.

My hope is that the choice is taken out of his hands and we can luck into a situation that he cannot mess up. Giannis becoming available can work out for us if that price is so high and there are sooo many teams that want him, it'll make KD seem cheap by comparison. The rumored desire of 3 FRPs and a young and good player is a good ask and start. That price might seem reasonable once the Giannis cost gets out there. I'd happily take 2 FRPs and a player of interest, Zion of course being the guy I want but am open for others.

[Djedefre]

Everyone with a brain could deduce the same, as many here did. This was a hire to make sure all the power and decision making stays with Ishbia. All this just weeks after the press conference where he blatantly lied to the fandom about the fact that he is the sole perpetrator of suns' horrific downfall. What a piece of trash this guy is.

[sunsbum]

Not sure if posted yet, but thoughts? I doubt we'd get one of Utah's own picks, but probably one they got from Mnny in the Gobert trade.

This was the model of a Bobby Pincus trade a couple weeks ago and my thoughts at the time, and I think I responded to him on Twitter was something like "except for Ishbia probably liking the flash of Markkanen, I would skip Utah and take the Rockets part." He didn't seem to disagree

Markkanen is signed through 2029 and if you extend Booker - your team is Markkanen and Booker taking up $110-120m alone... not enough flexibility plus he is not the needle mover that the value of that contract shows.

Get the young players, get the picks and move forward

Lauri is not the type of player the suns will be targeting imo

[Sunsdeuce]

Former Grizzlies GM John Holllinger: “I was texting with people in Atlanta, asking them ‘Wait, is this *that* Brian Gregory?’…Apparently very close with Tom Izzo, and basically it sets us up for Mat Ishbia to be the GM.”

[Quote starts between 5:30 and 6 minute mark](https://open.spotify.com/episode/2FTJ2vCrIf1mYnIjaViM51?si=sQ60SL1bTfyzIKNYBh6Z1Q&context=spotify%3Ashow%3A5IQEIZpEp32XFef8MyQaq7)

**Hollinger:**

>Brian Gregory, man. I was texting with people in Atlanta, asking them “Wait, is this *that* Brian Gregory? The guy who was at Georgia Tech 15 years ago?” His biggest qualification for the job is that a quarter century ago, he was an assistant coach on the team that Mat Ishbia played on at Michigan State. Apparently very close with Tom Izzo, and basically it sets us up for Mat Ishbia to be the GM.

>James Jones is an advisor or whatever. The press release might as well said “James Jones has placed his name in the transfer portal.”

**Duncan:**

> From everything we hear, Jones had been disempowered for some time there. Maybe since the moment Mat Ishbia took over.

**Hollinger:**

>Yeah. I think we know the exact day, actually.

https://www.reddit.com/r/suns/s/AXfmLbMqkY

So yeah basically even we all guessed, James Jones hasn’t been running anything Suns related since Ishbia got ownership. And Ishbia has made sure that it’s gonna stay this way as well.

Suns reddit is usually full of delusional homers (think a population full of Sabestar type posters) that lack any type of sense but even the comments on this is finally people realizing that Ishbia is basically worse version of Jerry Jones.

The Suns ship is gonna get far worse than it gets better. Expect more bad trades.

Even with all the “making games free to watch on tv for home games” and the G league investment and all, it’s obvious this guy is a major control freak and it’s gonna ruin this franchise for decades to come. Mark my words, we’re all gonna wish Sarver had stayed on.

Yeah, those always calling for Jones head didn't make a ton of sense to me. It was obvious Ishbia was making decisions and all the other teams thinks he's crazy.

Jerry Jones at least won Super Bowls early and even for 3 straight years recently they were 12-4.

Ishbia is clueless on building a team and how important the draft is.

Prokhorov might be a better example. Basically done similar stuff. Luckily for them they had Gattison and still made good late picks and still somehow were pretty competitive and ended up with decent players like Jarrett Allen who they inexplicably traded because KD wanted his buddy Deandre Jordan.

I was calling for James Jones head well before Sarver sold the team. Let’s not forget the disaster trades and horrendous mismanagement of assets well before Ishbia. I just loved being a national joke because Jones couldn’t figure out what player with the last name of Brooks we were suppose to get. So in the end the unplanned forced upon Kelly Ubre came to the suns who turned out to be decent NOT BECAUSE of Jones brilliance.

Let’s not forget Jones didn’t not draft a single player that made this team in 4 years before Ishbia. NO…CAM JOHNSON was NOT a JAmes Jones pick. Cam was a Jeff Bewer pick who at the time was co-GM who had been scouting Johnson for years. Jones left Ishbia with an empty cupboard. Compile Jones 5 years a baffonary with the ignorance of Ishbia and this is the mess we have now.

So let’s not act like Jones was some type of brilliant GM. He always …..ALWAYS lost trades and assets. He only lucked out with CP because at the time no team wanted CP and his contract was deemed untradeable at the time.

Bottom line, Jones is top 3 worst GMs in Suns history. Everyone here took big fat dumps on Ryan Mcdough but it was Ryan who set this team up for the Run to the finals…..NOT Jones!

[Revived]

So let’s not act like Jones was some type of brilliant GM. He always …..ALWAYS lost trades and assets. He only lucked out with CP because at the time no team wanted CP and his contract was deemed untradeable at the time.

Bottom line, Jones is top 3 worst GMs in Suns history. Everyone here took big fat dumps on Ryan Mcdough but it was Ryan who set this team up for the Run to the finals…..NOT Jones!

All this may be true but guess what? James Jones is still a far better GM than Ishbia.

[Revived]

Man Matt Ishbia was supposedly going to buy the Broncos before the bought the Suns. As a Chargers fan, it would’ve been so amazing for him to buy them instead and turn them into a laughing stock the way he’s done to the Suns.

Please Ishbia, sell the Suns and buy the Kansas City Chiefs!

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[Slim Charless]

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It better be Zion and a top 3 pick for this year's draft. Him by himself has nowhere near that value.

[Saberestar]

Tonight's game is gonna be FUN.

I don't remember waiting to a Game 7 without the Suns as much as I am looking forward to tonight's Rockets-GSW.

[Calvin Klein]

Former Grizzlies GM John Holllinger: “I was texting with people in Atlanta, asking them ‘Wait, is this *that* Brian Gregory?’…Apparently very close with Tom Izzo, and basically it sets us up for Mat Ishbia to be the GM.”

[Quote starts between 5:30 and 6 minute mark](https://open.spotify.com/episode/2FTJ2vCrIf1mYnIjaViM51?si=sQ60SL1bTfyzIKNYBh6Z1Q&context=spotify%3Ashow%3A5IQEIZpEp32XFef8MyQaq7)

**Hollinger:**

>Brian Gregory, man. I was texting with people in Atlanta, asking them “Wait, is this *that* Brian Gregory? The guy who was at Georgia Tech 15 years ago?” His biggest qualification for the job is that a quarter century ago, he was an assistant coach on the team that Mat Ishbia played on at Michigan State. Apparently very close with Tom Izzo, and basically it sets us up for Mat Ishbia to be the GM.

>James Jones is an advisor or whatever. The press release might as well said “James Jones has placed his name in the transfer portal.”

**Duncan:**

> From everything we hear, Jones had been disempowered for some time there. Maybe since the moment Mat Ishbia took over.

**Hollinger:**

>Yeah. I think we know the exact day, actually.

https://www.reddit.com/r/suns/s/AXfmLbMqkY

So yeah basically even we all guessed, James Jones hasn’t been running anything Suns related since Ishbia got ownership. And Ishbia has made sure that it’s gonna stay this way as well.

Suns reddit is usually full of delusional homers (think a population full of Sabestar type posters) that lack any type of sense but even the comments on this is finally people realizing that Ishbia is basically worse version of Jerry Jones.

The Suns ship is gonna get far worse than it gets better. Expect more bad trades.

Even with all the “making games free to watch on tv for home games” and the G league investment and all, it’s obvious this guy is a major control freak and it’s gonna ruin this franchise for decades to come. Mark my words, we’re all gonna wish Sarver had stayed on.

Yeah, those always calling for Jones head didn't make a ton of sense to me. It was obvious Ishbia was making decisions and all the other teams thinks he's crazy.

Jerry Jones at least won Super Bowls early and even for 3 straight years recently they were 12-4.

Ishbia is clueless on building a team and how important the draft is.

Prokhorov might be a better example. Basically done similar stuff. Luckily for them they had Gattison and still made good late picks and still somehow were pretty competitive and ended up with decent players like Jarrett Allen who they inexplicably traded because KD wanted his buddy Deandre Jordan.

This is what some of us have been saying since the Durant trade but somehow most people still thought JJ was mostly responsible
I cannot be more obvious

[Saberestar]

According to a source, there were 5-10 people connected to the role of Suns general manager, both formally and informally, and they included internal and external candidates. However, Gregory was seen as the “obvious choice,” mainly for his leadership qualities. Those qualities have been in short supply in Phoenix over the last few years, and while the Suns value James Jones’ eye for talent and perspective as a former player, they wanted a new voice on the leadership front.

In addition to that, Gregory being credited with the drafting of Dunn and Ighodaro — two solid prospects taken at No. 28 and No. 40 in the draft — speaks to the Suns’ shifting outlook. Mat Ishbia and the Suns refuse to undergo a rebuild, but with Durant and Beal both potentially gone this summer, Phoenix is hoping to get younger in retooling around Devin Booker while still fully expecting to return to the playoffs next year.

So whether it’s accruing additional draft picks to select rookies, targeting younger players in trades, unearthing undrafted players who can contribute, or continuing to develop youngsters like Dunn and Ighodaro, the Suns believe the combination of Brian Gregory, Oronde Taliaferro, Paul Rivers and a younger, hungrier coach can help on all those fronts.

https://gophnx.com/brian-gregory-everything-know-suns-gm-oronde-taliaferro/

[sunsbg]

Tonight's game is gonna be FUN.

I don't remember waiting to a Game 7 without the Suns as much as I am looking forward to tonight's Rockets-GSW.

DEN LAC was a bit disappointing so hopefully this one is better. The youngins vs the oldies. Probably GSW experience will prevail, let's see.

[BobbieL]

Former Grizzlies GM John Holllinger: “I was texting with people in Atlanta, asking them ‘Wait, is this *that* Brian Gregory?’…Apparently very close with Tom Izzo, and basically it sets us up for Mat Ishbia to be the GM.”

[Quote starts between 5:30 and 6 minute mark](https://open.spotify.com/episode/2FTJ2vCrIf1mYnIjaViM51?si=sQ60SL1bTfyzIKNYBh6Z1Q&context=spotify%3Ashow%3A5IQEIZpEp32XFef8MyQaq7)

**Hollinger:**

>Brian Gregory, man. I was texting with people in Atlanta, asking them “Wait, is this *that* Brian Gregory? The guy who was at Georgia Tech 15 years ago?” His biggest qualification for the job is that a quarter century ago, he was an assistant coach on the team that Mat Ishbia played on at Michigan State. Apparently very close with Tom Izzo, and basically it sets us up for Mat Ishbia to be the GM.

>James Jones is an advisor or whatever. The press release might as well said “James Jones has placed his name in the transfer portal.”

**Duncan:**

> From everything we hear, Jones had been disempowered for some time there. Maybe since the moment Mat Ishbia took over.

**Hollinger:**

>Yeah. I think we know the exact day, actually.

https://www.reddit.com/r/suns/s/AXfmLbMqkY

So yeah basically even we all guessed, James Jones hasn’t been running anything Suns related since Ishbia got ownership. And Ishbia has made sure that it’s gonna stay this way as well.

Suns reddit is usually full of delusional homers (think a population full of Sabestar type posters) that lack any type of sense but even the comments on this is finally people realizing that Ishbia is basically worse version of Jerry Jones.

The Suns ship is gonna get far worse than it gets better. Expect more bad trades.

Even with all the “making games free to watch on tv for home games” and the G league investment and all, it’s obvious this guy is a major control freak and it’s gonna ruin this franchise for decades to come. Mark my words, we’re all gonna wish Sarver had stayed on.

Yeah, those always calling for Jones head didn't make a ton of sense to me. It was obvious Ishbia was making decisions and all the other teams thinks he's crazy.

Jerry Jones at least won Super Bowls early and even for 3 straight years recently they were 12-4.

Ishbia is clueless on building a team and how important the draft is.

Prokhorov might be a better example. Basically done similar stuff. Luckily for them they had Gattison and still made good late picks and still somehow were pretty competitive and ended up with decent players like Jarrett Allen who they inexplicably traded because KD wanted his buddy Deandre Jordan.

I think we knew the hire was going to be a lackey hire

Ishbia is still trying to prove to people he knows basketball after being the little kid at the end of the bench in big shorts.

Can only hope he doesn't do anything that stupid but I have a feeling they will keep Durant and trade Beal and draft picks for PG13
Just the stupidest short term move he can do - he will do it