Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion

[carey]

I'd be o.k. with trading Bledsoe to Orlando if we got a pick back this year that is lightly protected (say, top 7). I didn't look up their pick situation so don't kill me if it's already been traded. I'd move Knight regardless though. You can let Ulis run the show all year and sign anyone off the D-League or just let Barbosa back him up for the year. This likely guarantees us one of Ball or Fulz plus a 2nd good draft pick. Then of course whoever else we get in the deals be that Noel, Payton or Super Mario.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I like bledsoe but as ive said before im all for exploring what they could get for him at the deadline. The way i see it is hes the asset they could deal that would actually bring back a real return. The biggest thing to me is that im just not comfortable giving him another long term contract in a couple years so the clock is ticking on him and if they wait too long his value goes down as teams lose years of control.

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[bwgood77]

I like Bled and don't really want to trade him unless we can get a solid passing PG back. Maybe a three way where something else goes to Minnesota and we get Tyus Jones and more from elsewhere. I'd like picks, but I think McD is probably wanting more impact players.

Having said that, I think there is only a miniscule chance we trade him for multiple reasons.

1. They kind of handed over the team to him.
2. He has become more of a leader.
3. He seems to love the team and be a great teammate...really cheering on Barbosa last night.
4. He has solid stats across the board...needs to pass more.
5. Just bought a house here (not that it means a ton other than they have likely made him feel he is a long term part of the franchise).
6. Chance at Boogie summer 2018.
7. No other PG, and even if we draft one it will likely take him at least a year to start and we trade him the following summer if we don't get Boogie or at the trade deadline in his last year of contract if we want to hand the keys over to someone else.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I like Bled and don't really want to trade him unless we can get a solid passing PG back. Maybe a three way where something else goes to Minnesota and we get Tyus Jones and more from elsewhere. I'd like picks, but I think McD is probably wanting more impact players.

Having said that, I think there is only a miniscule chance we trade him for multiple reasons.

1. They kind of handed over the team to him.
2. He has become more of a leader.
3. He seems to love the team and be a great teammate...really cheering on Barbosa last night.
4. He has solid stats across the board...needs to pass more.
5. Just bought a house here (not that it means a ton other than they have likely made him feel he is a long term part of the franchise).
6. Chance at Boogie summer 2018.
7. No other PG, and even if we draft one it will likely take him at least a year to start and we trade him the following summer if we don't get Boogie or at the trade deadline in his last year of contract if we want to hand the keys over to someone else.

I think your points are valid and I agree its not super likely the suns agree with me and will move him. I just wonder if they end up regretting it a year or two from now.

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[ATTL]

I don't like bled as a player, seems like a good dude that teammates like. I don't like his knees. I'd trade him for a top-6 protected pick or equal value to that pick.

[Tysons Elbow]

I like Bled as a player. Not so much as a point guard. If we keep him for the long haul we should probably start figuring out another position to run the point through.

Bender may be the guy someday, but we need a distributor in the starting lineup. Like soon. Coaching aside, Without someone to "run point" there will be no system. It will continue to hurt the team - especially some of the development of the young guys.


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[LukasBMW]

Knight for Noel would be a trip. Philly could have had Knight direct from the Bucks.

It admits fault for us in many ways including choosing Len over Noel and trading for Knight in the first place.

But it also would be a "McDonough" move in the fact that we bury Len in the rotation behind Noel and Chandler. We probably sign Noel right away and then let Len sit while we play "chicken" with other teams over his contract. Teams would be a bit less enthusiastic about offering Len a fat deal knowing we could very well let him walk given that we just signed Noel.

Therefore we could end up getting Len for a reasonable deal since we would likely match any reasonable offer.

[LukasBMW]

I've never been a big fan of Noel, but watching highlights of him, I'd rather have him then Len. He's quicker, more athletic, and has wayyyyy better hands. He's still super skinny and his outside shot isn't pretty, but he can defend the rim, run the pick and roll, and plays hard.

**** it. What do we have to lose?

I'd rather have Jah, but I'll take Noel.

[gaspar]

I've never been a big fan of Noel, but watching highlights of him, I'd rather have him then Len. He's quicker, more athletic, and has wayyyyy better hands. He's still super skinny and his outside shot isn't pretty, but he can defend the rim, run the pick and roll, and plays hard.

**** it. What do we have to lose?

I'd rather have Jah, but I'll take Noel.

That's the problem. Highlight videos show only his good plays. Len looks awesome in highlight videos too. If you watched more Philly's games last 2 seasons you would know that Noel actually has terrible hands and can't catch the ball in traffic on the pick and roll or grab a contested rebound to save his life.

[Saberestar]

Noel and Len would be better than Chandler and Len.

If we can trade Knight for Noel and our medical staff give us the OK about giving him an extension I would be happy trading Chandler to a contender for late pick and an expiring (not coming back players).

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I've never been a big fan of Noel, but watching highlights of him, I'd rather have him then Len. He's quicker, more athletic, and has wayyyyy better hands. He's still super skinny and his outside shot isn't pretty, but he can defend the rim, run the pick and roll, and plays hard.

**** it. What do we have to lose?

I'd rather have Jah, but I'll take Noel.

That's the problem. Highlight videos show only his good plays. Len looks awesome in highlight videos too. If you watched more Philly's games last 2 seasons you would know that Noel actually has terrible hands and can't catch the ball in traffic on the pick and roll or grab a contested rebound to save his life.

I think it's worth noting - the tweet mentioned that the Sixers were working on a deal for Brandon Knight in exchange for Noel. No mention of whether we're aiming to keep Noel. Given the cost and injury history of Noel and Len's continuing development and strengths, I'm not sure we'd prefer Noel to Len. That said - the additional steals Noel provides could be very useful, given TJ's strength in the open court. I'm just not sure it's worth it. We can't panic just because we're losing.

[gaspar]

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[bwgood77]

I do wonder why Noel's trade value is so low. If it's just his play, his character, his impending RFA, he medical issues, or a combination of some of those.

There seem to be some things Noel is clearly better at, but in many areas they come out close. or Len has an advantage, and it seems like Len has FAR less risk.

I just can't see McD trading for a RFA C and going into a Summer with two guys who could get huge offers. But that Kentucky thing has to be enticing.

[Saberestar]

I've never been a big fan of Noel, but watching highlights of him, I'd rather have him then Len. He's quicker, more athletic, and has wayyyyy better hands. He's still super skinny and his outside shot isn't pretty, but he can defend the rim, run the pick and roll, and plays hard.

**** it. What do we have to lose?

I'd rather have Jah, but I'll take Noel.

That's the problem. Highlight videos show only his good plays. Len looks awesome in highlight videos too. If you watched more Philly's games last 2 seasons you would know that Noel actually has terrible hands and can't catch the ball in traffic on the pick and roll or grab a contested rebound to save his life.

I think it's worth noting - the tweet mentioned that the Sixers were working on a deal for Brandon Knight in exchange for Noel. No mention of whether we're aiming to keep Noel. Given the cost and injury history of Noel and Len's continuing development and strengths, I'm not sure we'd prefer Noel to Len. That said - the additional steals Noel provides could be very useful, given TJ's strength in the open court. I'm just not sure it's worth it. We can't panic just because we're losing.

We would trade Knight. Is that a panic move? The risk is really low.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

That's the problem. Highlight videos show only his good plays. Len looks awesome in highlight videos too. If you watched more Philly's games last 2 seasons you would know that Noel actually has terrible hands and can't catch the ball in traffic on the pick and roll or grab a contested rebound to save his life.

I think it's worth noting - the tweet mentioned that the Sixers were working on a deal for Brandon Knight in exchange for Noel. No mention of whether we're aiming to keep Noel. Given the cost and injury history of Noel and Len's continuing development and strengths, I'm not sure we'd prefer Noel to Len. That said - the additional steals Noel provides could be very useful, given TJ's strength in the open court. I'm just not sure it's worth it. We can't panic just because we're losing.

We would trade Knight. Is that a panic move? The risk is really low.

Can't bring in Noel and keep Len - that's what I was referring to.

[sunsbum]

Sell high on Bledsoe. His knees are a ticking timebomb. He seems like a good dude but hes just a better version of hero ball.

[PackSuns]

I do wonder why Noel's trade value is so low. If it's just his play, his character, his impending RFA, he medical issues, or a combination of some of those.

There seem to be some things Noel is clearly better at, but in many areas they come out close. or Len has an advantage, and it seems like Len has FAR less risk.

I just can't see McD trading for a RFA C and going into a Summer with two guys who could get huge offers. But that Kentucky thing has to be enticing.

The Phoenix/Kentucky pipeline is interesting. If Watson doesn't pan out we could hire Calimari. That would be fun. I'm not sold on Noel. He is a great athlete but is he a great basketball player? I agree Len has far less risk. Noels health issues make me nervous.

[bwgood77]

I do wonder why Noel's trade value is so low. If it's just his play, his character, his impending RFA, he medical issues, or a combination of some of those.

There seem to be some things Noel is clearly better at, but in many areas they come out close. or Len has an advantage, and it seems like Len has FAR less risk.

I just can't see McD trading for a RFA C and going into a Summer with two guys who could get huge offers. But that Kentucky thing has to be enticing.

The Phoenix/Kentucky pipeline is interesting. If Watson doesn't pan out we could hire Calimari. That would be fun. I'm not sold on Noel. He is a great athlete but is he a great basketball player? I agree Len has far less risk. Noels health issues make me nervous.

Don't think he will leave the best college program for one of the worst pro ones, while making a fraction of the price. I'm sure he enjoys having the top shelf talent year after year. I can't recall any premier program college coaches making good or great pro coaches. Sure Larry Brown took over a team after Carlisle had molded a bunch of prior role players into a super competitive team (Billups, Rip, Prince and Ben Wallace) and got a star in a lopsided trade in Sheed and won, but that's it.

Calipari had his nba chance one and failed. So did Pitino. And for those ready to respond with (but KAT, AD, etc will all join our team, doubtful and that's a very long ways off anyway). If we wanted him soon for Boogie or something, it would likely require an enormous buyout of contract.

[AllHype3]

How about Philly keeps Noel.

Suns get Holmes and Stauskas
Sixers get Knight and Suns 2nd this year.

[TeamTragic]

How about Philly keeps Noel.

Suns get Holmes and Stauskas
Sixers get Knight and Suns 2nd this year.

Not bad. I would sign off.