NBA 2017 Draft thread. 5th pick and 10th pick.

[Sacramento_King]

Fox you guys favorite right now if he"s available at 5? And who you guys looking at for the 10th pick?

Favorite at 5
1. Fox
2. Tatum

10 depends on who they get at 5. Kings are looking to walk away with a PG and SF.

Yeah, it seems easy to me. No Fox at five then you grab Tatum and hope a pg slips to 10. No need to panic as we need assets.

[SacKingZZZ]

If the Kings are to be believed they already reportedly stated that they don't see taking a PG as a total necessity in this draft. Fox is who they want it seems. Although if Ball somehow did fall I really hope they'd take him.

As for Fultz. I don't think he's a once in a lifetime prospect but when you consider his weaknesses and strengths there isn't a better team for him to go to than Boston. He's big enough to play SG, maybe even some SF, and he lands on a team where he and IT would be able to play together and they have a defensive juggernaut already in place to cover up some of those weaknesses.

[benchmobbin02]

Just because we have said that we won't necessarily take a PG doesn't mean we won't come away from the Fultz workout with stars in our eyes as an org (not as fans obviously). Regardless of how he may fit on the Celtics, if they are offered the right package they will deal and with 2 lotto picks and tons of young assets it easy to see how we could put together such a deal.

This isn't my personal hope or opinion of future events, just saying to discount it because we don't want it or a few things line up another way is foolish.

[sacking123]

One thing not being mentioned is Boston's cap space. They are hell bent on using it too sign Hayward. So any deal involving salary coming back (koufus) is immediately off the table.

Any three way deal for a George or Butler also takes up that cap space. Now a subsequent trade could happen after Hayward signs involving Fultz but at that point Sac would have made the picks and prob wouldn't be what Boston wants.

If its mostly draft pick comp I think it would take more then people would think. If Sac is involved with 5-10 you can bet other teams will be interested driving the price up. Ainge would be happy to make the pick and has no pressure to trade it so it would take imo 5-10 WCS, Skal, and future pick. Which i get is so much but it will take a godfather offer to get Ainge to trade that pick.

Bahaha I hope your kidding. There is not a chance any team in the NBA goes anywhere close to that value.
It really is ridiculous to even suggest it.
Just like Ainge, Vlade has no pressure to make a deal, sit back and watch the fireworks and select 5/10 and still keep WCS and Skal, oh and a future 1st.
My god that is trolling hard.


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[PetrieUnderstudy]

One thing I thought about when this Fultz workout came out is Indiana's and Bird's interest in Cauley-Stein. Possibly #5 and WCS to Pacers, Paul George to Celtics, and #1 Markelle Fultz to Kings. All the "experts" say Fultz is legit I just question his perceived lack of fire and 9 win Washington team. Is he really that much better than Fox, Tatum, etc?

If he is then offer #5 and WCS.

Take on contracts (Harkless & Leonard) from Blazers to get picks #15 & #26 for Koufos. Donovan Mitchell is growing on me at 10. I think in today's guard oriented league it would be nice to have an Avery Bradley type player to put on Curry, Westbrook, etc. Fultz hopefully becomes a Harden type player and Buddy like JJ Redick.

Draft #1 Markelle Fultz (hopefully a star)
#10 Donovan Mitchell (combo guard/defender)
#15 OG Anunoby (roll dice on defender)
#26 Jordan Bell (great energy/defense /rebounder)
#34 Caleb Swanigan (scorer/rebounder)

Hope to get top SF in 2018 draft

PG Fultz/Mitchell/Galloway
SG Hield/Bogdanovic/Richardson
SF Harkless/Temple/Anunoby
PF Labissiere/Bell/Swanigan
C Papagiannis/Leonard

Take time with Anunoby to get 100% healthy. The team would be young, good shooters, and have defensive players with potential to be one of best defensive teams in NBA.

[sacking123]

I think we can get a little caught up in this. To it speaks of a couple of things, firstly Fultz is doing a favour, plain and simple which puts it out there that players are prepared to come in for workouts, and he is doing so with enough time for other draft candidates to schedule a workout with us.
Secondly I spoke about it a while back and it seems like the front office is doing due diligence on everything and it could be the same thing here and I applaud them for that.
What I'm most happy about is we seem to be in the drivers seat of a lot of the information that's getting out there/smokescreens, it's good to be on the other side for a change, let's just see where it puts us.
With all that said it looks like the hires we made a short while back have already paid off.


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[Worst_to_First]

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[benchmobbin02]

One thing I thought about when this Fultz workout came out is Indiana's and Bird's interest in Cauley-Stein. Possibly #5 and WCS to Pacers, Paul George to Celtics, and #1 Markelle Fultz to Kings. All the "experts" say Fultz is legit I just question his perceived lack of fire and 9 win Washington team. Is he really that much better than Fox, Tatum, etc?

If he is then offer #5 and WCS.

Take on contracts (Harkless & Leonard) from Blazers to get picks #15 & #26 for Koufos. Donovan Mitchell is growing on me at 10. I think in today's guard oriented league it would be nice to have an Avery Bradley type player to put on Curry, Westbrook, etc. Fultz hopefully becomes a Harden type player and Buddy like JJ Redick.

Draft #1 Markelle Fultz (hopefully a star)
#10 Donovan Mitchell (combo guard/defender)
#15 OG Anunoby (roll dice on defender)
#26 Jordan Bell (great energy/defense /rebounder)
#34 Caleb Swanigan (scorer/rebounder)

Hope to get top SF in 2018 draft

PG Fultz/Mitchell/Galloway
SG Hield/Bogdanovic/Richardson
SF Harkless/Temple/Anunoby
PF Labissiere/Bell/Swanigan
C Papagiannis/Leonard

Take time with Anunoby to get 100% healthy. The team would be young, good shooters, and have defensive players with potential to be one of best defensive teams in NBA.

I love this scenario.

I would hate to see WCS go but adding those pieces makes it worth it IMO.

Only thing I see as a change someone would ask for is I think the Blazers would insist Turner or Crabb be the one trade with Leonard. In that deal I'd take on Turner's terrible contract and let Anunoby come along slowly. We have the cap space and the time.

PG Fultz19-4/Mitchell20-4/Galloway25-1
SG Hield23-4/Bogdanovic24-?/Richardson21-4
SF Turner28-3/Temple31-1+1op/Anunoby20-4
PF Labissiere21-4/Bell22-4/Swanigan20-4
C Papagiannis19-4/Leonard25-3

*BOLD = Age-years under contract

[benchmobbin02]

I think we can get a little caught up in this. To it speaks of a couple of things, firstly Fultz is doing a favour, plain and simple which puts it out there that players are prepared to come in for workouts, and he is doing so with enough time for other draft candidates to schedule a workout with us.
Secondly I spoke about it a while back and it seems like the front office is doing due diligence on everything and it could be the same thing here and I applaud them for that.
What I'm most happy about is we seem to be in the drivers seat of a lot of the information that's getting out there/smokescreens, it's good to be on the other side for a change, let's just see where it puts us.
With all that said it looks like the hires we made a short while back have already paid off.


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No one is getting caught up in anything. Just talking out scenarios as they present themselves.

But I agree that we are just seeing everything that we can and getting all the info we can. With all the assets and avenues to build a team that we have available it's the smart thing to do and like you I'm happy we doing it.

I don't know that we are on the other side of smoke screens...

I think its just business as usual before the draft and with us in such a prime position to make moves we are clearly going to be mentioned a far amount, good or bad. Just how the game is played at this point.

[City of Trees]

One thing I thought about when this Fultz workout came out is Indiana's and Bird's interest in Cauley-Stein. Possibly #5 and WCS to Pacers, Paul George to Celtics, and #1 Markelle Fultz to Kings. All the "experts" say Fultz is legit I just question his perceived lack of fire and 9 win Washington team. Is he really that much better than Fox, Tatum, etc?

If he is then offer #5 and WCS.

Take on contracts (Harkless & Leonard) from Blazers to get picks #15 & #26 for Koufos. Donovan Mitchell is growing on me at 10. I think in today's guard oriented league it would be nice to have an Avery Bradley type player to put on Curry, Westbrook, etc. Fultz hopefully becomes a Harden type player and Buddy like JJ Redick.

Draft #1 Markelle Fultz (hopefully a star)
#10 Donovan Mitchell (combo guard/defender)
#15 OG Anunoby (roll dice on defender)
#26 Jordan Bell (great energy/defense /rebounder)
#34 Caleb Swanigan (scorer/rebounder)

Hope to get top SF in 2018 draft

PG Fultz/Mitchell/Galloway
SG Hield/Bogdanovic/Richardson
SF Harkless/Temple/Anunoby
PF Labissiere/Bell/Swanigan
C Papagiannis/Leonard

Take time with Anunoby to get 100% healthy. The team would be young, good shooters, and have defensive players with potential to be one of best defensive teams in NBA.

I love this scenario.

I would hate to see WCS go but adding those pieces makes it worth it IMO.

Only thing I see as a change someone would ask for is I think the Blazers would insist Turner or Crabb be the one trade with Leonard. In that deal I'd take on Turner's terrible contract and let Anunoby come along slowly. We have the cap space and the time.

PG Fultz19-4/Mitchell20-4/Galloway25-1
SG Hield23-4/Bogdanovic24-?/Richardson21-4
SF Turner28-3/Temple31-1+1op/Anunoby20-4
PF Labissiere21-4/Bell22-4/Swanigan20-4
C Papagiannis19-4/Leonard25-3

*BOLD = Age-years under contract

I'm this scenario, if we trade WCS, I'd like to see us draft Giles at 15.

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[SacKingZZZ]

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The defensive section left a bit to be desired, haha. Kind of like a "take our word for it" type of thing. Right now I think there is more on the defensive end video wise to draw from on Ball than Fultz. I can't see giving Fultz the check there right now.

It's that potentially elite pull up game that sets Fultz apart from anyone right now.

[SacKingZZZ]

Just saw this:

http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2017/6/9/15772206/sacramento-kings-draft-workout-jarrett-allen-semi-ojeleye

Great to see Semi coming in. I still think he's a sleeper pick.

[SacKingZZZ]

Also, maybe a bit of water for that Fultz fire.

Read on Twitter

[benchmobbin02]

One thing I thought about when this Fultz workout came out is Indiana's and Bird's interest in Cauley-Stein. Possibly #5 and WCS to Pacers, Paul George to Celtics, and #1 Markelle Fultz to Kings. All the "experts" say Fultz is legit I just question his perceived lack of fire and 9 win Washington team. Is he really that much better than Fox, Tatum, etc?

If he is then offer #5 and WCS.

Take on contracts (Harkless & Leonard) from Blazers to get picks #15 & #26 for Koufos. Donovan Mitchell is growing on me at 10. I think in today's guard oriented league it would be nice to have an Avery Bradley type player to put on Curry, Westbrook, etc. Fultz hopefully becomes a Harden type player and Buddy like JJ Redick.

Draft #1 Markelle Fultz (hopefully a star)
#10 Donovan Mitchell (combo guard/defender)
#15 OG Anunoby (roll dice on defender)
#26 Jordan Bell (great energy/defense /rebounder)
#34 Caleb Swanigan (scorer/rebounder)

Hope to get top SF in 2018 draft

PG Fultz/Mitchell/Galloway
SG Hield/Bogdanovic/Richardson
SF Harkless/Temple/Anunoby
PF Labissiere/Bell/Swanigan
C Papagiannis/Leonard

Take time with Anunoby to get 100% healthy. The team would be young, good shooters, and have defensive players with potential to be one of best defensive teams in NBA.

I love this scenario.

I would hate to see WCS go but adding those pieces makes it worth it IMO.

Only thing I see as a change someone would ask for is I think the Blazers would insist Turner or Crabb be the one trade with Leonard. In that deal I'd take on Turner's terrible contract and let Anunoby come along slowly. We have the cap space and the time.

PG Fultz19-4/Mitchell20-4/Galloway25-1
SG Hield23-4/Bogdanovic24-?/Richardson21-4
SF Turner28-3/Temple31-1+1op/Anunoby20-4
PF Labissiere21-4/Bell22-4/Swanigan20-4
C Papagiannis19-4/Leonard25-3

*BOLD = Age-years under contract

I'm this scenario, if we trade WCS, I'd like to see us draft Giles at 15.

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Do you really value Giles over Anunoby?

I just have this feeling that OG is the Kawhi or Giannis of this draft.

Teams can clearly see the measurables and talent but there are a few knocks that let him slip from the top 12. Both of them went at 15. Go back and read their draft profiles and then look at what they became. Weird how things line up. Needless to say I really want him. Not saying I don't like Giles as a prospect but I think the pool of true PFs is so deep in this draft that we can wait for one of the guys stated. Even going into the 2nd rd, Motley, Rabb, Hartenstein, Wilson and Olivier all have potential. And that is off the top of my head.

[PetrieUnderstudy]

One thing I thought about when this Fultz workout came out is Indiana's and Bird's interest in Cauley-Stein. Possibly #5 and WCS to Pacers, Paul George to Celtics, and #1 Markelle Fultz to Kings. All the "experts" say Fultz is legit I just question his perceived lack of fire and 9 win Washington team. Is he really that much better than Fox, Tatum, etc?

If he is then offer #5 and WCS.

Take on contracts (Harkless & Leonard) from Blazers to get picks #15 & #26 for Koufos. Donovan Mitchell is growing on me at 10. I think in today's guard oriented league it would be nice to have an Avery Bradley type player to put on Curry, Westbrook, etc. Fultz hopefully becomes a Harden type player and Buddy like JJ Redick.

Draft #1 Markelle Fultz (hopefully a star)
#10 Donovan Mitchell (combo guard/defender)
#15 OG Anunoby (roll dice on defender)
#26 Jordan Bell (great energy/defense /rebounder)
#34 Caleb Swanigan (scorer/rebounder)

Hope to get top SF in 2018 draft

PG Fultz/Mitchell/Galloway
SG Hield/Bogdanovic/Richardson
SF Harkless/Temple/Anunoby
PF Labissiere/Bell/Swanigan
C Papagiannis/Leonard

Take time with Anunoby to get 100% healthy. The team would be young, good shooters, and have defensive players with potential to be one of best defensive teams in NBA.

I love this scenario.

I would hate to see WCS go but adding those pieces makes it worth it IMO.

Only thing I see as a change someone would ask for is I think the Blazers would insist Turner or Crabb be the one trade with Leonard. In that deal I'd take on Turner's terrible contract and let Anunoby come along slowly. We have the cap space and the time.

PG Fultz19-4/Mitchell20-4/Galloway25-1
SG Hield23-4/Bogdanovic24-?/Richardson21-4
SF Turner28-3/Temple31-1+1op/Anunoby20-4
PF Labissiere21-4/Bell22-4/Swanigan20-4
C Papagiannis19-4/Leonard25-3

*BOLD = Age-years under contract

That's a young roster and great chance to get Doncic or Porter Jr in 2018. I'm ok with Turner opposed Harkless. He could be a facilitator and at 28 still in prime just overpaid and not a good shooter.

[City of Trees]

I love this scenario.

I would hate to see WCS go but adding those pieces makes it worth it IMO.

Only thing I see as a change someone would ask for is I think the Blazers would insist Turner or Crabb be the one trade with Leonard. In that deal I'd take on Turner's terrible contract and let Anunoby come along slowly. We have the cap space and the time.

PG Fultz19-4/Mitchell20-4/Galloway25-1
SG Hield23-4/Bogdanovic24-?/Richardson21-4
SF Turner28-3/Temple31-1+1op/Anunoby20-4
PF Labissiere21-4/Bell22-4/Swanigan20-4
C Papagiannis19-4/Leonard25-3

*BOLD = Age-years under contract

I'm this scenario, if we trade WCS, I'd like to see us draft Giles at 15.

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Do you really value Giles over Anunoby?

I just have this feeling that OG is the Kawhi or Giannis of this draft.

Teams can clearly see the measurables and talent but there are a few knocks that let him slip from the top 12. Both of them went at 15. Go back and read their draft profiles and then look at what they became. Weird how things line up. Needless to say I really want him. Not saying I don't like Giles as a prospect but I think the pool of true PFs is so deep in this draft that we can wait for one of the guys stated. Even going into the 2nd rd, Motley, Rabb, Hartenstein, Wilson and Olivier all have potential. And that is off the top of my head.

Both are projects so it depends. Looking at the Kings structure in your scenario it seems a lot is riding on Papa ( Leonard is trash and should never play) so adding another Center with high potential fills a bigger need than drafting OG. Look for your SF in 2018.

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[City of Trees]

Reposting my big board (Not Kings related)
1)Fultz
2)Ball
3)Fox
4)Tatum
5)DSJ
6)Jackson
7)Monk
8)Isaac
9)Ntilikina
10)Mitchell (PG)
11)Z. Collins
12)Markannen
13)Giles
14)OG
15)Frank Jackson


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[PetrieUnderstudy]

I love this scenario.

I would hate to see WCS go but adding those pieces makes it worth it IMO.

Only thing I see as a change someone would ask for is I think the Blazers would insist Turner or Crabb be the one trade with Leonard. In that deal I'd take on Turner's terrible contract and let Anunoby come along slowly. We have the cap space and the time.

PG Fultz19-4/Mitchell20-4/Galloway25-1
SG Hield23-4/Bogdanovic24-?/Richardson21-4
SF Turner28-3/Temple31-1+1op/Anunoby20-4
PF Labissiere21-4/Bell22-4/Swanigan20-4
C Papagiannis19-4/Leonard25-3

*BOLD = Age-years under contract

I'm this scenario, if we trade WCS, I'd like to see us draft Giles at 15.

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Do you really value Giles over Anunoby?

I just have this feeling that OG is the Kawhi or Giannis of this draft.

Teams can clearly see the measurables and talent but there are a few knocks that let him slip from the top 12. Both of them went at 15. Go back and read their draft profiles and then look at what they became. Weird how things line up. Needless to say I really want him. Not saying I don't like Giles as a prospect but I think the pool of true PFs is so deep in this draft that we can wait for one of the guys stated. Even going into the 2nd rd, Motley, Rabb, Hartenstein, Wilson and Olivier all have potential. And that is off the top of my head.

My rationale for Anunoby is position of need and defensive upside. I understand Giles was top prospect before 2 knee injuries I just think Bell can bring what WCS and Giles would plus adding Swanigan. We'd have a defense/offense combo and both top rebounders.

[City of Trees]

I'm this scenario, if we trade WCS, I'd like to see us draft Giles at 15.

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Do you really value Giles over Anunoby?

I just have this feeling that OG is the Kawhi or Giannis of this draft.

Teams can clearly see the measurables and talent but there are a few knocks that let him slip from the top 12. Both of them went at 15. Go back and read their draft profiles and then look at what they became. Weird how things line up. Needless to say I really want him. Not saying I don't like Giles as a prospect but I think the pool of true PFs is so deep in this draft that we can wait for one of the guys stated. Even going into the 2nd rd, Motley, Rabb, Hartenstein, Wilson and Olivier all have potential. And that is off the top of my head.

My rationale for Anunoby is position of need and defensive upside. I understand Giles was top prospect before 2 knee injuries I just think Bell can bring what WCS and Giles would plus adding Swanigan. We'd have a defense/offense combo and both top rebounders.

Giles has size that neither Bell/ Swanigan possess. Plus Giles is a quick leaper (even after the injuries) so one could assume he will fully recover.

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[PetrieUnderstudy]

I'm this scenario, if we trade WCS, I'd like to see us draft Giles at 15.

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Do you really value Giles over Anunoby?

I just have this feeling that OG is the Kawhi or Giannis of this draft.

Teams can clearly see the measurables and talent but there are a few knocks that let him slip from the top 12. Both of them went at 15. Go back and read their draft profiles and then look at what they became. Weird how things line up. Needless to say I really want him. Not saying I don't like Giles as a prospect but I think the pool of true PFs is so deep in this draft that we can wait for one of the guys stated. Even going into the 2nd rd, Motley, Rabb, Hartenstein, Wilson and Olivier all have potential. And that is off the top of my head.

Both are projects so it depends. Looking at the Kings structure in your scenario it seems a lot is riding on Papa ( Leonard is trash and should never play) so adding another Center with high potential fills a bigger need than drafting OG. Look for your SF in 2018.

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Giles is no sure thing especially on 2 bad knees. Him and Anunoby are kind of in same boat but OG brings more versatility. The center position is less important in today's NBA. Look at the finals. Skal, Bell, Swanigan, and Papagiannis would be fine. I'm not looking for anything from Leonard. He could occasionally hit a 3 in spot minutes and be guy to bang against in practice.