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Re: Packers News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Gary Likely ACL 

Post#1441 » by RRyder823 » Tue Nov 8, 2022 1:13 am

stillgotgame wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
stillgotgame wrote:He's almost as clueless as this board.

Let's be clear I want Rodgers gone. I didn't think we should resign him. I want us to see what we have in Love and rebuild.

But his contract is very clever. He's guaranteed $59M next year. How the team we trade him to splits it up is up to them. But keep in mind this is not a signing bonus that can be clawed back if he retires. So the team is on the hook for $59M no matter how long he plays.
If he stays another year he gets another $45M. It's also treated like a roster bonus so no getting any of it back if he retires. So after2 years Rodgers gets $104M plus min salary, about $108M for 2 years.

Who would pay $59M for 1 year of Rodgers or $108M for 2 years? No one. This isn'ta 33 year old QB where you can spread that money out over 5 years. It will come due in a hurry.


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The Packers will have significant dead money if Rodgers decides to retire after the 2022 season because of the roster bonus proration. The option bonus proration would come off Green Bay's books so there wouldn't be any cap charges associated with the option bonuses. Green Bay would have $40,313,570 of dead money consisting of $32.64 million of roster bonus proration and the $7,673,570 of 2023 bonus proration that already existed before the new deal. The dead money would be the same with a trade before exercising the option for the 2025 contract year, except the option bonuses would become the financial and cap responsibilities of the acquiring team.

Trading Rodgers in 2024 wouldn't be feasible. There would be $68.205 million of dead money by dealing Rodgers before the second option is exercised. In this case, the bonus proration from the first option in 2023 would be part of Green Bay's dead money. With a trade occurring before the option for 2026 is exercised, the acquiring team would have financial and cap responsibilities for the second option bonus.

7. There's a wide window to exercise the options. It starts on the first day of that respective league year and closes on the day before the first game of that regular season. Ordinarily, the window to pick up options is anywhere from five to 10 days at the beginning of a league year. For example, Buffalo has a five-day window beginning on the first day of the 2022 league year to exercise an option for Allen's 2028 contract year, which requires a $42.4 million payment. The extended window provides Green Bay with more flexibility in case Rodgers retires or a trade is explored. Rodgers doesn't have a no-trade clause in his contract.


or the guy here:

When the Packers gave Rodgers a 3-year, $150 million extension in the offseason, the contract promised security for both sides. The quarterback had a lot of guaranteed money, and Green Bay had the flexibility to keep Rodgers or even trade him in the future.

Rodgers’ cap hit in 2023 is projected to be $31.6 million. If he is traded before June, the dead money would be $40.3 million, which is not a big difference. It’s undoubtedly one the Packers would be willing to swallow if they rebuild. The move would free up $40.7 million of cap space in 2024, $59.3 million in 2025, and $53.4 million in 2026.

Rodgers will have value on the trade market. Even if it’s not as high as it would have been last offseason, he is still a good quarterback with an absurd ceiling. He can be great again with the proper surroundings.

Rodgers’ cap hit for an acquiring team in 2023 would be just $15.8 million. It may be even less if the team opts to restructure his deal and move some money to the future. That would allow the Packers to get a good value in return, maybe first- and fourth-round picks, or even more if the competition gets hot.


Or the guy on Over the Cap, or the guy whose single Twitter identity is being an expert on the Packers cap.

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Key statement in bold. The team that takes him owes him $59M for 1 year or $108M for 2.

The second guy is dreaming. Unless someone like Irsay wants to give him the money over multiple years I don't see any team dumb enough to pay him this money. Hopefully I'm wrong, but for now this board appears delusional.
Are you confused on what bonus/bonuses he'll end up receiving versus what his cap hit will be for whatever team trades for him?

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Post#1442 » by ReasonablySober » Tue Nov 8, 2022 2:23 pm

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Re: Packers News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Gary Likely ACL 

Post#1443 » by stillgotgame » Tue Nov 8, 2022 5:47 pm

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Re: Packers News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Gary Likely ACL 

Post#1444 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Tue Nov 8, 2022 6:20 pm

Blow it all up and unless we get a chance at a top QB this year, let Love live or die next year. If he sucks, we will have a top pick. If he doesn't we will be in position to rebuild around him.
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Re: Packers News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Gary Likely ACL 

Post#1445 » by Treebeard » Tue Nov 8, 2022 10:17 pm

Leroy Butler gives a deeply cushioned call for Rogers to sit:

As appears on CBS Sports - original statement on "Maggie and Perloff show"

Hall of Fame safety LeRoy Butler says Packers should bench Aaron Rodgers if they lose next three games
Could Jordan Love finish the season for Green Bay?

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/hall-of-fame-safety-leroy-butler-says-packers-should-bench-aaron-rodgers-if-they-lose-next-three-games/
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Packers Hall of Fame safety LeRoy Butler says the team should bench star quarterback Aaron Rodgers to give Jordan Love a chance to prove his worth if Green Bay loses its next three games,

"OK, say you lose three more games," Butler said on CBS Sports' Maggie and Perloff show. "Look at that in perspective. You got the Cowboys -- best defense -- I mean the defense -- Micah Parsons, oh my goodness. And then you play, when they put my name up in the ring of honor, the Titans. They got a young quarterback. That defense gets after you as well, then you got the Eagles, best team in the league.

"After that point, if you've lost those games, you've got to get Jordan Love in there at some point, because there's no playoffs. I mean, there's no playoffs, you're not in the playoffs. You have to find out at some point can Jordan Love play because you can't get rid of Aaron Rodgers because of his contract. But you can find a way to get Jordan Love some work to just kind of find out what you're going to have in a few years."
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Re: Packers News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Gary Likely ACL 

Post#1446 » by stillgotgame » Tue Nov 8, 2022 11:02 pm

RRyder823 wrote:
stillgotgame wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
I'm glad that we alone have such a valuable cap guy around here, as opposed to this agent:



or the guy here:



Or the guy on Over the Cap, or the guy whose single Twitter identity is being an expert on the Packers cap.

Thanks.


Key statement in bold. The team that takes him owes him $59M for 1 year or $108M for 2.

The second guy is dreaming. Unless someone like Irsay wants to give him the money over multiple years I don't see any team dumb enough to pay him this money. Hopefully I'm wrong, but for now this board appears delusional.
Are you confused on what bonus/bonuses he'll end up receiving versus what his cap hit will be for whatever team trades for him?

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Rodgers signed a 3/$150M contract. With that 2023 is guaranteed, 2024 is not. But to keep him in 2024 he needs to get paid or restructured.

He's guaranteed $58.3M bonus next year and $1.165M salary. The bonus is going to be amortized over 4 years for cap purposes, but can't be clawed back if he retires. So a team taking him can pay him $59.5M next year and spread it out 4 years like we planned to do. Their cap # for 2023 could be $15.74M (.25*$58.3M +$1.165M). If he is on their team in 2024 he's owed another $47M bonus and $2.25m in base salary. We planned to amortize this bonus over 3 years, another team could also. This would put his cap # for 2024 at approx $31.9M (.25*$58.3M+.33*$47M+$2.25M). They would then count an additional $62.8M (.5*$58.3M+.67*$47M) cap # in 2025, maybe spreading it to 2026 with a post June 1.

So cap years for a team trading for him, assuming he agrees to play for 2 years:
2023 $15.74M
2024 $31.9M
2025 $31.4M
2026 $31.4M

We owe all of that plus another $40M in previous bonuses.

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Re: Packers News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Gary Likely ACL 

Post#1447 » by Treebeard » Tue Nov 8, 2022 11:56 pm

On the off chance Aaron Rogers is not a Packer after June 1, 2023 what are the odds that either Mitch Trubiski or Baker Mayfield (both currently under contract) are invited to camp as potential backups to whoever is the annointed starter?

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Re: Packers News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Gary Likely ACL 

Post#1448 » by Finn » Wed Nov 9, 2022 1:29 am

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MoMM wrote:Give some more games to Rodgers and when we are 3-9/3-10 we start Love, because I don't think Aaron will be any happy if we bench him right now.
Agreed, although if the thumb is bothering him maybe they could get him to rest it for a week or two.

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The thumb has been bothering him since he injured it. Either MLF doesn't have the stones to bench him or AR12 pouted his way onto the field.
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Re: Packers News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Gary Likely ACL 

Post#1449 » by MickeyDavis » Wed Nov 9, 2022 5:36 am

Treebeard wrote:On the off chance Aaron Rogers is not a Packer after June 1, 2023 what are the odds that either Mitch Trubiski or Baker Mayfield (both currently under contract) are invited to camp as potential backups to whoever is the annointed starter?

(I'll show myself out now, before sharp objects are hurled my way.... :lol:

There would definitely be a retread vet as the backup
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Post#1450 » by ReasonablySober » Wed Nov 9, 2022 9:09 pm

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Post#1451 » by Treebeard » Wed Nov 9, 2022 9:20 pm

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Post#1452 » by ReasonablySober » Wed Nov 9, 2022 9:36 pm

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Post#1453 » by WeekapaugGroove » Wed Nov 9, 2022 9:40 pm

Former 1st rounder who misses tackles... he'll fit right in.

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Post#1454 » by Treebeard » Wed Nov 9, 2022 9:48 pm

With all those ST snaps, Biassacia must see something useful in Abrams.



Of course, Amari still recieves yet....
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Post#1455 » by MoMM » Wed Nov 9, 2022 9:48 pm

Maybe he can help our ST at least?
Perhaps the idea is moving Savage to CB as our DC said a few days ago?
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Post#1456 » by Profound23 » Wed Nov 9, 2022 9:50 pm

I really thought Abrams was the next Bob Sanders.
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Post#1457 » by WeekapaugGroove » Wed Nov 9, 2022 10:03 pm

Profound23 wrote:I really thought Abrams was the next Bob Sanders.
Feels like safety is a hard position to predict how guys will transition to the pros. I don't have any data but seems like they have a higher than normal bust rate.

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Re: Packers News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Gary Likely ACL; Claim Abrams off Waivers 

Post#1458 » by Treebeard » Wed Nov 9, 2022 10:18 pm

No surprise, but Gary to IR.... (per Packers.com)

he Green Bay Packers placed LB Rashan Gary on injured reserve and signed WR Jeff Cotton to the practice squad. The transactions were announced Wednesday by General Manager Brian Gutekunst.



A little more write up on Gary via Acmepackingcompany.com

When reports emerged on Monday that Rashan Gary’s ACL was indeed torn, the question was when — not if — the Green Bay Packers would place their top pass-rusher on injured reserve to end his season. They provided the answer to that question on Wednesday, officially placing him on the list to end his 2022 season.

Gary’s injury was a non-contact tear and was just one of several that the Packers suffered last Sunday on the artificial turf at Ford Field. However, it appears that his may be the only one that will be season-ending, though cornerback Eric Stokes’ long-term status is still uncertain.

Moving Gary to injured reserve frees up a spot on the 53-man roster, which the Packers reportedly will use to bring in a new safety. The team has claimed Johnathan Abram off waivers from the Las Vegas Raiders, requiring the team to have an open spot while the waiver claim processes.

With Gary now no longer an option for the rest of 2022, the Packers will likely start rookie fifth-round draft pick Kingsley “JJ” Enagbare at Gary’s outside linebacker spot opposite veteran Preston Smith. That in theory would leave the team with just one backup on the active roster (Jonathan Garvin), but the team does have Ladarius Hamilton on the practice squad. Additionally, the Packers designated Tipa Galeai for return from injured reserve earlier in the day on Monday, and they may activate him in time for this coming Sunday’s game against the Dallas Cowboys.

The timing of this injury could not be much worse for Gary, who is in the final year of his initial 4-year rookie contract in 2022 but is signed on a fifth-year option for 2023. The year before the option is frequently when players get contract extensions; for example, cornerback Jaire Alexander received a new contract this offseason heading into his option season. That may be a tougher pill for the Packers to swallow next spring with Gary working his way back off this injury.
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Re: Packers News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Gary Likely ACL; Claim Abrams off Waivers 

Post#1459 » by MickeyDavis » Wed Nov 9, 2022 10:31 pm

Abrams likely busts here too but no harm giving him a look.
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Post#1460 » by MickeyDavis » Thu Nov 10, 2022 10:12 pm

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