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Post#1441 » by AirP. » Thu Apr 27, 2023 4:13 pm

HeatIn5 wrote:After Crowder laughed at Dipo getting hurt, I’m okay there. He’s kinda washed

Sure, but at the minimum, he's a nice backup off the bench. Please remember, Miami has (with the new CBA) 3 2-way contracts to use on younger players so you might as well add some low costing vets to the active roster.
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Post#1442 » by AirP. » Thu Apr 27, 2023 4:23 pm

Trying to figure out what happened on that last made shot in regulation.

Butler did push off... but the push off came after Connaughton had jumped into Butler to try to knock away the pass, this is why there was no foul, and it is also why Butler fell backwards although he pushed off. The refs got this no call right because they may have been murdered had they called the initial foul on Connaughton and gave Butler 2 FTs to tie the game.


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Post#1443 » by Shewasfly » Thu Apr 27, 2023 4:25 pm

So are all of you ready to eat your words about our coach, a top 3 coach in the league, and how truly great he is? And very easily arguable as the BEST coach in the league, since I can't think of another coach that could have this type of roster overachieving year after year in different ways?

After Jimmy, he is absolutely the reason we are in the situation we are in, by a long shot.

He coached his ass off and put Jimmy in positions to continue to succeed no matter how they tried to guard him and the focus they put on him.
He overcame the ups and many downs of Bam's inconsistence on the offensive end, and had him following a brilliant defensive game plan against Giannis.
He had Gabe Vincent and Caleb Martin out there playing their damn asses off, and they came up big for us in HUGE moments in these last two games.
And his game plan on both sides of the ball were fantastic and exactly what we needed. He shat all over Bud and may have even put him out of job by week's end lol.

I do NOT want to hear yall call it all on the players, because whenever the players play like **** yall blame Spo (because of limited understanding of basketball, really). So now, with that same limited understanding of ball, give our coach some damn credit please :D
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Post#1444 » by AirP. » Thu Apr 27, 2023 4:31 pm

Shewasfly wrote:So are all of you ready to eat your words about our coach, a top 3 coach in the league, and how truly great he is? And very easily arguable as the BEST coach in the league, since I can't think of another coach that could have this type of roster overachieving year after year in different ways?

After Jimmy, he is absolutely the reason we are in the situation we are in, by a long shot.

He coached his ass off and put Jimmy in positions to continue to succeed no matter how they tried to guard him and the focus they put on him.
He overcame the ups and many downs of Bam's inconsistence on the offensive end, and had him following a brilliant defensive game plan against Giannis.
He had Gabe Vincent and Caleb Martin out there playing their damn asses off, and they came up big for us in HUGE moments in these last two games.
And his game plan on both sides of the ball were fantastic and exactly what we needed. He shat all over Bud and may have even put him out of job by week's end lol.

I do NOT want to hear yall call it all on the players, because whenever the players play like **** yall blame Spo (because of limited understanding of basketball, really). So now, with that same limited understanding of ball, give our coach some damn credit please :D

I'm very much surprised nobody has talked much about how Spoelstra handles Butler in the 4th quarter. In hopes the rest of the team keeps it close, Spoelstra lets Butler rest so he can have as much energy as needed to go all out the rest of the game. During the time Butler is sitting and resting, the other team's main players are usually on the court, expending energy which allows Butler to have a leg up on the competition. It's a brilliant move with a player whose game is built on a lot of effort and for that, you need energy. I do believe he can come in at the 8-minute mark, but they may have data that shows exactly how long he can go full tilt.
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Post#1445 » by Beenie » Thu Apr 27, 2023 4:37 pm

AirP. wrote:Trying to figure out what happened on that last made shot in regulation.

Butler did push off... but the push off came after Connaughton had jumped into Butler to try to knock away the pass, this is why there was no foul, and it is also why Butler fell backwards although he pushed off. The refs got this no call right because they may have been murdered had they called the initial foul on Connaughton and gave Butler 2 FTs to tie the game.


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Watching live and the initial live replays, I thought Connaughton put his hands on Jimmy first before Jimmy pushed off and thought it should have been an and-1.
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Post#1446 » by El Alonzo scowl » Thu Apr 27, 2023 4:45 pm

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Post#1447 » by Shewasfly » Thu Apr 27, 2023 4:48 pm

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Shewasfly wrote:So are all of you ready to eat your words about our coach, a top 3 coach in the league, and how truly great he is? And very easily arguable as the BEST coach in the league, since I can't think of another coach that could have this type of roster overachieving year after year in different ways?

After Jimmy, he is absolutely the reason we are in the situation we are in, by a long shot.

He coached his ass off and put Jimmy in positions to continue to succeed no matter how they tried to guard him and the focus they put on him.
He overcame the ups and many downs of Bam's inconsistence on the offensive end, and had him following a brilliant defensive game plan against Giannis.
He had Gabe Vincent and Caleb Martin out there playing their damn asses off, and they came up big for us in HUGE moments in these last two games.
And his game plan on both sides of the ball were fantastic and exactly what we needed. He shat all over Bud and may have even put him out of job by week's end lol.

I do NOT want to hear yall call it all on the players, because whenever the players play like **** yall blame Spo (because of limited understanding of basketball, really). So now, with that same limited understanding of ball, give our coach some damn credit please :D

I'm very much surprised nobody has talked much about how Spoelstra handles Butler in the 4th quarter. In hopes the rest of the team keeps it close, Spoelstra lets Butler rest so he can have as much energy as needed to go all out the rest of the game. During the time Butler is sitting and resting, the other team's main players are usually on the court, expending energy which allows Butler to have a leg up on the competition. It's a brilliant move with a player whose game is built on a lot of effort and for that, you need energy. I do believe he can come in at the 8-minute mark, but they may have data that shows exactly how long he can go full tilt.

That's actually often a knock on Spo, funny enough lol. They call it robotic, but its good to have a routine and set expectations for your players. Plus, it actually gives a role for the rest of the players on the team, that they can try to live up to in those minutes, rather than it being all on Jimmy. And Spo actually does break the rotation minutes when he needs to, just doesn't panic and break routine every time adversity hits in those minutes.

And let's not even get into the small ball commentary. You'd think we have prime Shaq the way every loss is blamed on not utilizing size, meanwhile our "size" is someone who wasn't in the league prior to the deadline, someone who is retiring after this season, and Kevin Love, who works best with certain matchups and can't go 30+ anymore anyway.
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Post#1448 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Thu Apr 27, 2023 4:55 pm

They only mention you when you’re down Bam!!
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Post#1449 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Thu Apr 27, 2023 4:56 pm

Pokuokic wrote:Why did Giannis not guard Jimmy at any point in the series? Jimmy rapes anyone smaller than him they legit let Jrue Holiday have his life destroyed and never changed a match up. Insane by the Heat everyone that looked like crap during the regular season all of a sudden started playing like it's a contract year.


They probably should’ve mixed it up a little but Jimmy shot 86% for the series when being defended by Gianni’s. He was a traffic cone for Jimmy
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Post#1450 » by AirP. » Thu Apr 27, 2023 4:56 pm

Beenie wrote:
AirP. wrote:Trying to figure out what happened on that last made shot in regulation.

Butler did push off... but the push off came after Connaughton had jumped into Butler to try to knock away the pass, this is why there was no foul, and it is also why Butler fell backwards although he pushed off. The refs got this no call right because they may have been murdered had they called the initial foul on Connaughton and gave Butler 2 FTs to tie the game.



Watching live and the initial live replays, I thought Connaughton put his hands on Jimmy first before Jimmy pushed off and thought it should have been an and-1.

Not in that situation in the playoffs, refs will just allow the contact to happen and let the players decide the game which I agree with, even had he missed the shot. It's one of the differences in the regular season and the playoffs that takes players a while to adjust to.

In the regular season the refs will sometimes wait to see if the player misses the shot before calling a foul which I also agree with even though they're letting illegal contact happen if the player scores. The NBA isn't a pure game, it's a business.
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Post#1451 » by Beenie » Thu Apr 27, 2023 4:59 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:They only mention you when you’re down Bam!!


He was fantastic down the stretch, few goofs aside.
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Post#1452 » by Shewasfly » Thu Apr 27, 2023 5:04 pm

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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:They only mention you when you’re down Bam!!


He was fantastic down the stretch, few goofs aside.

He really was. Those passes he hit Jimmy with when Spo brilliantly took Jimmy off the ball were fantastic. I feel like and *hope* its going to be a huge confidence booster for him in the next series. The Knicks shouldn't be anywhere near the difficult matchup that this one was for him.
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Post#1453 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Thu Apr 27, 2023 5:10 pm

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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:They only mention you when you’re down Bam!!


He was fantastic down the stretch, few goofs aside.


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Had this dude in hell and was making passes you only see from Jokic from the center position. On to the next
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Post#1454 » by Kobewade11 » Thu Apr 27, 2023 5:10 pm

Celtics players think very highly of the Heat. Some comments from them in this thread
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Post#1455 » by AirP. » Thu Apr 27, 2023 5:17 pm

Shewasfly wrote:That's actually often a knock on Spo, funny enough lol. They call it robotic, but its good to have a routine and set expectations for your players. Plus, it actually gives a role for the rest of the players on the team, that they can try to live up to in those minutes, rather than it being all on Jimmy. And Spo actually does break the rotation minutes when he needs to, just doesn't panic and break routine every time adversity hits in those minutes.

And let's not even get into the small ball commentary. You'd think we have prime Shaq the way every loss is blamed on not utilizing size, meanwhile our "size" is someone who wasn't in the league prior to the deadline, someone who is retiring after this season, and Kevin Love, who works best with certain matchups and can't go 30+ anymore anyway.

If you've listened to players thorughout the years they talk about wanting to know their minutes and when they're going in and out of games, they can adjust their effort level based on those minutes. If you know you're coming out in the next minute maybe you go a little harder than you normally would if you didn't know you were close to coming out.

I don't always agree with Spoelstra but he's one of the coaches I will default to being right with his calls because he has access to way more data/situational data than we as fans do. Is it depressing to watch bigs just dominate inside against Miami, absolutely but those FGA inside take away potential 3pt shots which killed Miami in game 2. Then again, when Miami hasn't gotten a real 4 who can also shoot 3s they've done terrible in the post season... Trevor Ariza starting at the 4 and getting swept but having Crowder, Tucker and now Love they're having success that maybe there's not enough data to really validate that.

Hopefully Jovic can put some weight/muscle on to be good enough defensively to be the offensive 4 Miami needs in the near future.
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Post#1456 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Thu Apr 27, 2023 5:20 pm

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This was from someone on a YouTube comment back in like 2019 :lol:

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Post#1457 » by goodboy » Thu Apr 27, 2023 5:28 pm

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Post#1458 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Thu Apr 27, 2023 5:33 pm

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Get the first half stats to match the 2nd half (of close games) off Bam and we’re cooking. I wonder what’s causing the slow starts, missing shootarounds for treatment? Hamstring working itself out? Playing out of comfort zone?

Probably a mix
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Post#1459 » by ShulaDon92 » Thu Apr 27, 2023 5:36 pm

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Post#1460 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Thu Apr 27, 2023 5:36 pm

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Point Bam seems to be where he has his most comfort, maybe just due to this matchup with Gianni’s and lopez both being gigantic but we’ll see.

He’s an elite passer and gets to see the floor in its entirety as he brings the ball up on the move. He seemed to find his teammates and his spots much better like this and was able to play off an aggressive Jimmy following some of his misses very well. He stuffed the stat sheet after moving to “PG”
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