Suns and Bledsoe on the Verge of Irreparable Relationship

[I_Never Lied]

can't believe he hasn't re-signed the 4yr/48mil deal yet...smh

Why? Its like you guys just hate to see a young athlete with tattoo exact his power. He's the best player on the team and should be paid like it. End of story.

[ColdBlooded]

can't believe he hasn't re-signed the 4yr/48mil deal yet...smh

Why? Its like you guys just hate to see a young athlete with tattoo exact his power. He's the best player on the team and should be paid like it. End of story.

You're a joke.

[Zona Zoo]

can't believe he hasn't re-signed the 4yr/48mil deal yet...smh

Why? Its like you guys just hate to see a young athlete with tattoo exact his power. He's the best player on the team and should be paid like it. End of story.

[Kevin Johnson]

can't believe he hasn't re-signed the 4yr/48mil deal yet...smh

Why? Its like you guys just hate to see a young athlete with tattoo exact his power. He's the best player on the team and should be paid like it. End of story.

You too should take that minimum wage job while the offer is still on the table

[HotelVitale]

can't believe he hasn't re-signed the 4yr/48mil deal yet...smh

Why? Its like you guys just hate to see a young athlete with tattoo exact his power. He's the best player on the team and should be paid like it. End of story.

I'm with you, I think he can do better than 4/48. Maybe not by too much but he should keep holding out and using his leverage to get as much as he can. PHX doesn't hold all the cards in this situation and Bledsoe should make sure he plays all his before signing anything.

He's definitely not their best player, though; Dragic was last year and it wasn't close.

[LloydFree]

can't believe he hasn't re-signed the 4yr/48mil deal yet...smh

Why should he? He can take the qualifying offer at the last minute, become and unrestricted free agent and almost assuredly get the same 4 years 48 million next year on the open market. He isn't taking that big of a risk, any he just might get a ridiculous offer like Chandler Parsons received.

[Jvaughn]

can't believe he hasn't re-signed the 4yr/48mil deal yet...smh

Why should he? He can take the qualifying offer at the last minute, become and unrestricted free agent and almost assuredly get the same 4 years 48 million next year on the open market. He isn't taking that big of a risk, any he just might get a ridiculous offer like Chandler Parsons received.

While I agree, there's no reason to rush on this offer, he is most certainly taking a risk. He has some injury concerns, and he could go into this next season, have a career threatening injury, and lose out on a ton.

[NBAfan3024]

Seriously what's the next stage. It's August and he is still a FA

[I_Never Lied]

can't believe he hasn't re-signed the 4yr/48mil deal yet...smh

Why? Its like you guys just hate to see a young athlete with tattoo exact his power. He's the best player on the team and should be paid like it. End of story.

You're a joke.

You just validated my statement. The anger you guys show goes beyond just player personnel decisions. I can feel the vibe in this thread. It is the same vibe you feel in the Spreewell, "I gotta feed my family" threads.

I know why you're mad. But his talent trumps your feelings.

[I_Never Lied]

can't believe he hasn't re-signed the 4yr/48mil deal yet...smh

Why? Its like you guys just hate to see a young athlete with tattoo exact his power. He's the best player on the team and should be paid like it. End of story.

I'm with you, I think he can do better than 4/48. Maybe not by too much but he should keep holding out and using his leverage to get as much as he can. PHX doesn't hold all the cards in this situation and Bledsoe should make sure he plays all his before signing anything.

He's definitely not their best player, though; Dragic was last year and it wasn't close.

Dragic played very well, but based on Talent and impact. Bledsoe is their best player.

[HotelVitale]

I'm with you, I think he can do better than 4/48. Maybe not by too much but he should keep holding out and using his leverage to get as much as he can. PHX doesn't hold all the cards in this situation and Bledsoe should make sure he plays all his before signing anything.
He's definitely not their best player, though; Dragic was last year and it wasn't close.

Dragic played very well, but based on Talent and impact. Bledsoe is their best player.

I'd be happy to hear an argument but I can't see one. Dragic did pretty much everything better last year, and his advanced numbers, plus/minus, efficiency, etc were all better. He was also the team leader this year (and he also didn't miss half the season). Bledsoe is stronger and more athletic but Dragic is a better player now, helps his team more and has a more positive overall impact.

[WiggOuts]

Bledsoe can cry all he wants about PHO saying they'll match any offer but he needs to realize that doesn't usually stop teams from offering, plus its their right. If they want you they will make an offer, no one has offered? than maybe they don't want you. Hes acting like they've completely cornered him or something. I don't understand what kind of people he has advising him if they make him believe he cant be settling for less than the max. YOU ARE NOT A MAX PLAYER. These are the situation that show a players true colours, the opinion Ive drawn from this is that Bledsoe puts himself before the team, which isn't exactly shocking.

As an end result I want to see these agents lose these battles, they are ruining the quality if teams with this stupid MAX bull. Players like Eric, Parsons and Hayward should NOT be getting paid like this. If nothing else, it shows that players don't even have to achieve greatness but they'll still end up getting paid like they are. They need to create classes or something. Eric Bledsoe should not be getting paid like Lebron was at that time

[I_Never Lied]

I'm with you, I think he can do better than 4/48. Maybe not by too much but he should keep holding out and using his leverage to get as much as he can. PHX doesn't hold all the cards in this situation and Bledsoe should make sure he plays all his before signing anything.
He's definitely not their best player, though; Dragic was last year and it wasn't close.

Dragic played very well, but based on Talent and impact. Bledsoe is their best player.

I'd be happy to hear an argument but I can't see one. Dragic did pretty much everything better last year, and his advanced numbers, plus/minus, efficiency, etc were all better. He was also the team leader this year (and he also didn't miss half the season). Bledsoe is stronger and more athletic but Dragic is a better player now, helps his team more and has a more positive overall impact.

It more like Net Present Value thing. Dragic is 28, Bledsoe is 24. Eric is a two way player which can't really be quantified. 4 years from now Goran will be a bench warmer on his way out of the league and Bledsoe will be in the middle of his prime.

Who do you love?

[6ixSideSniper]

Why? Its like you guys just hate to see a young athlete with tattoo exact his power. He's the best player on the team and should be paid like it. End of story.

You're a joke.

You just validated my statement. The anger you guys show goes beyond just player personnel decisions. I can feel the vibe in this thread. It is the same vibe you feel in the Spreewell, "I gotta feed my family" threads.

I know why you're mad. But his talent trumps your feelings.

Hi Eric.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

Dragic played very well, but based on Talent and impact. Bledsoe is their best player.

I'd be happy to hear an argument but I can't see one. Dragic did pretty much everything better last year, and his advanced numbers, plus/minus, efficiency, etc were all better. He was also the team leader this year (and he also didn't miss half the season). Bledsoe is stronger and more athletic but Dragic is a better player now, helps his team more and has a more positive overall impact.

It more like Net Present Value thing. Dragic is 28, Bledsoe is 24. Eric is a two way player which can't really be quantified. 4 years from now Goran will be a bench warmer on his way out of the league and Bledsoe will be in the middle of his prime.

Who do you love?

where have you been the last half decade? Plenty of ways to quantify defense. 82games has Dragic as the better defender, and much better player. So does basketball reference. Dragic is currently the better player, face of that franchise, and in 4 years will still be in his prime. You have no clue what you're saying.

[RSCD3_]

I'd be happy to hear an argument but I can't see one. Dragic did pretty much everything better last year, and his advanced numbers, plus/minus, efficiency, etc were all better. He was also the team leader this year (and he also didn't miss half the season). Bledsoe is stronger and more athletic but Dragic is a better player now, helps his team more and has a more positive overall impact.

It more like Net Present Value thing. Dragic is 28, Bledsoe is 24. Eric is a two way player which can't really be quantified. 4 years from now Goran will be a bench warmer on his way out of the league and Bledsoe will be in the middle of his prime.

Who do you love?

where have you been the last half decade? Plenty of ways to quantify defense. 82games has Dragic as the better defender, and much better player. So does basketball reference. Dragic is currently the better player, face of that franchise, and in 4 years will still be in his prime. You have no clue what you're saying.

Dragic is not the better defender, Bledsoe has better athleticism and length and can help lock down the 1 and 2. Dragic is a slightly above average defender


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[spaceballer]

Smh, two bench players and a 40 year old who is literally in the trade so he can retire, for Eric Bledsoe. C'mon man...

Don't worry, that transaction is not allowed by the CBA rules right now. People are just throwing out bizarre scenarios

Bledsoe will mostly likely eventually reach a deal with the Suns before training camp starts. He has no leverage to force a sign-and-trade, and no takers out there willing or able to offer him more money in an offer sheet, and he's not going to take the QO because of his injury risks and little financial benefit. He'll posture if he wants, but he'll sign before training camp, probably. It's the off-season, it doesn't make any difference to the Suns or to Bledsoe if he signs now or waits till just before training camp. He's "stuck" as he's said.

Giving the Suns Hill, Nash and Johnson for Bledsoe is fair. First of all, Nash is going into the Hall of Game as a Sun. Their greatest player ever should be honored by their organization. Hill is a rebounder and inside scorer they need with Frye leaving. Wes is a throw in for salary purposes.

So you expect Bledsoe to sit out the season and wait till Dec./Jan. so that the Lakers are able to trade Hill and Johnson for him? Because trading Hill or Johnson right now violates the CBA.

You are not allowed to trade newly re-signed free agents till Dec./Jan. (the exact month depends on whether you used straight cap space or bird rights to sign/re-sign them), whether you have their consent or not. The only way you can immediately trade a player is with a sign-and-trade contract. Hill and Johnson have already re-signed using regular non-sign-and-trade contracts. That means there's a trade moratorium on them. They can't be used right now in a Bledsoe sign-and-trade.

You expect Bledsoe to cool his heels and wait till Dec./Jan. to join the Lakers in a sign-and-trade for Hill and Johnson? Or you expect the Suns to wait till the middle of the season and throw out their chemistry and training camp and everything else just so they can consummate such a sign-and-trade in Dec./Jan.?

A sign-and-trade of Bledsoe to the Lakers right now that involves Hill or Johnson or any other newly signed/re-signed free agent is not allowed by the CBA.

[I_Never Lied]

I'd be happy to hear an argument but I can't see one. Dragic did pretty much everything better last year, and his advanced numbers, plus/minus, efficiency, etc were all better. He was also the team leader this year (and he also didn't miss half the season). Bledsoe is stronger and more athletic but Dragic is a better player now, helps his team more and has a more positive overall impact.

It more like Net Present Value thing. Dragic is 28, Bledsoe is 24. Eric is a two way player which can't really be quantified. 4 years from now Goran will be a bench warmer on his way out of the league and Bledsoe will be in the middle of his prime.

Who do you love?

where have you been the last half decade? Plenty of ways to quantify defense. 82games has Dragic as the better defender, and much better player. So does basketball reference. Dragic is currently the better player, face of that franchise, and in 4 years will still be in his prime. You have no clue what you're saying.

How many 32 year old point guards are still in their prime? Dragic is at his absolute peak, it only goes downhill from here. Just like in the NFL, they don't wait until you start sucking before they cut you. And no, you can't accurately quantify defense, basketball reference has Carlos Boozer as a top 10 defender.

Time Money Future. You can't comprehend.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

It more like Net Present Value thing. Dragic is 28, Bledsoe is 24. Eric is a two way player which can't really be quantified. 4 years from now Goran will be a bench warmer on his way out of the league and Bledsoe will be in the middle of his prime.

Who do you love?

where have you been the last half decade? Plenty of ways to quantify defense. 82games has Dragic as the better defender, and much better player. So does basketball reference. Dragic is currently the better player, face of that franchise, and in 4 years will still be in his prime. You have no clue what you're saying.

Dragic is not the better defender, Bledsoe has better athleticism and length and can help lock down the 1 and 2. Dragic is a slightly above average defender


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Maybe Bledsoe has the more defensive potential, and maybe injuries played a part in his lower numbers, but last year Dragic was better by all the measurements I'm looking at. What is it you're using to determine this conclusion?

I'd agree that Bledsoe has the tools. but tools don't mean squat in the real world. Production does.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

It more like Net Present Value thing. Dragic is 28, Bledsoe is 24. Eric is a two way player which can't really be quantified. 4 years from now Goran will be a bench warmer on his way out of the league and Bledsoe will be in the middle of his prime.

Who do you love?

where have you been the last half decade? Plenty of ways to quantify defense. 82games has Dragic as the better defender, and much better player. So does basketball reference. Dragic is currently the better player, face of that franchise, and in 4 years will still be in his prime. You have no clue what you're saying.

How many 32 year old point guards are still in their prime? Dragic is at his absolute peak, it only goes downhill from here. Just like in the NFL, they don't wait until you start sucking before they cut you. And no, you can't accurately quantify defense, basketball reference has Carlos Boozer as a top 10 defender.

Time Money Future. You can't comprehend.

Actually contracts in the nba work nothing like the nfl. The contracts are guaranteed, which means you don't get cut. It's why Boozer has been starting for the bulls the last two years.

Dragic doesn't rely on athleticism, where you see shorter peaks and earlier primes. He'll be just fine at 32, in the same way Ginobli was.

And what's Carlos boozer top 10 in over there?