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Polynice4Pippen wrote:

da pmp wrote:I take it some of some you guys have never been to a soccer (football) in Europe. What that fan allegedly said is nothing compared to crap that you will hear on a nightly basis in a European league. What Smart did was punk move and a stupid one for a borderline lottery pick.

What Smart did was a poor decision. The punk move is yelling out racial slurs (allegedly). The fact that the Euro league casually accepts racism is pretty pathetic. Time to come out of the dark ages.

The fan didn't lose anything. Smart potentially lost quite a few dollars if and when he slides. The pathetic thing is Dumbnuts losing it again on the court. The people in the dark ages are the ones that think it's ok to hit a fan.

Red Larrivee wrote:

TheSuzerain wrote:If it was just "piece of crap", Smart has got to be better than that.

He seems like a good, down to earth guy to believe.

There's audio.

da pmp wrote:

Polynice4Pippen wrote:

da pmp wrote:I take it some of some you guys have never been to a soccer (football) in Europe. What that fan allegedly said is nothing compared to crap that you will hear on a nightly basis in a European league. What Smart did was punk move and a stupid one for a borderline lottery pick.

What Smart did was a poor decision. The punk move is yelling out racial slurs (allegedly). The fact that the Euro league casually accepts racism is pretty pathetic. Time to come out of the dark ages.

The fan didn't lose anything. Marcus Dumb potentially lost quite a few dollars if and when he slides. The pathetic thing is Dumb losing it again on the court. The people in the dark ages are the ones that think it's ok to hit a fan.

That's not really losing much because he would still have more money than that fan most likely has.

Red Larrivee wrote:

Hokie wrote:So that gives him the right to push a fan?

If I go punch a guy who calls my girlfriend ugly, can I say to the cops "it's okay, I'm different"?

I don't get it.

Heat of the moment. A 50-year-old man calls you a racial slur eye-to-eye. It's so easy to sit here and say "Oh, well I would have kept my composure and just walked away." Please. There's no hypotheticals here. Smart reacted properly to one of the worst insults you can give a black man. How is he being portrayed more at fault than a middle-aged man who heckles teenagers?

Again Red, none of us know if the man called him a racial slur. Smart says he did, the man says he didn't. It's a he said/she said thing where we'll probably never know what was truly said.

He reacted properly? Violence is acting properly? I know that shoving a man and punching him in the face are two different things, but I don't see how having a physical altercation with someone is "reacting properly."

Let's assume the man did call him the N-word though. Do you really think it's the first time that's happened to a black, college athlete? Of course not, but you don't see the other kids resorting to violence. Smart has been known for being immature kid since the day he set foot in Stillwater, and this isn't the first time he's made headlines for acting out of control during a basketball game. You'll have to forgive me for not immediately giving him the benefit of the doubt.

I'm not advocating for the man who provoked him; I agree completely that he should have enough sense to not be provoking teenagers. But two wrongs don't make a right. Smart wasn't justified in his reaction to the man, no matter what he said to him. He has to be smarter than what he showed last night. Athletes (pro and college both) have to deal with stupid fans all the time. You can't let the fans control you; you have to control yourself. Smart is the one who is ultimately responsible for his actions.

He'll learn from this and move on, but he has some growing up to do.

TheSuzerain wrote:There's audio.

I watched the video and Orr called him a piece of crap while Smart was on the ground. Now what did Orr call him when they were eye-to-eye in the stands?

Orr isn't being completely honest in his statement.

I don't understand why does the fan get a break?

da pmp wrote:

Polynice4Pippen wrote:

da pmp wrote:I take it some of some you guys have never been to a soccer (football) in Europe. What that fan allegedly said is nothing compared to crap that you will hear on a nightly basis in a European league. What Smart did was punk move and a stupid one for a borderline lottery pick.

What Smart did was a poor decision. The punk move is yelling out racial slurs (allegedly). The fact that the Euro league casually accepts racism is pretty pathetic. Time to come out of the dark ages.

The fan didn't lose anything. Marcus Dumb potentially lost quite a few dollars if and when he slides. The pathetic thing is Dumb losing it again on the court. The people in the dark ages are the ones that think it's ok to hit a fan.

Dumb>>>>>Racist

Hokie wrote:He reacted properly? Violence is acting properly? I know that shoving a man and punching him in the face are two different things, but I don't see how having a physical altercation with someone is "reacting properly."

If anyone who isn't black comes up to me and calls me a n****r, there's going to be a physical altercation. It's the most offensive thing they can say and your emotions will immediately take over.

Let's assume the man did call him the N-word though. Do you really think it's the first time that's happened to a black, college athlete? Of course not, but you don't see the other kids resorting to violence.

Come on, let's not act like it's common for fans, spectators or critics to call a college athlete a n*****r or any other racial slur right in front of their face.

Red Larrivee wrote:

Hokie wrote:So that gives him the right to push a fan?

If I go punch a guy who calls my girlfriend ugly, can I say to the cops "it's okay, I'm different"?

I don't get it.

Heat of the moment. A 50-year-old man calls you a racial slur eye-to-eye. It's so easy to sit here and say "Oh, well I would have kept my composure and just walked away." Please. There's no hypotheticals here. Smart reacted properly to one of the worst insults you can give a black man. How is he being portrayed more at fault than a middle-aged man who heckles teenagers?

The fan is definitely more at fault. But no, Smart absolutely didn't react properly, which is understandable, it's the heat of the moment. End of the day though, words are words. You can't put hands on someone who hasn't put hands on you. You can't respond to every personal, racial, insensitive remark and insult. You have to ignore the fans. Fans themselves need to start standing up to this type of behavior, otherwise don't get upset when their entire fan base gets labeled as racists.

Polynice4Pippen wrote:

da pmp wrote:

Polynice4Pippen wrote:
What Smart did was a poor decision. The punk move is yelling out racial slurs (allegedly). The fact that the Euro league casually accepts racism is pretty pathetic. Time to come out of the dark ages.

The fan didn't lose anything. Marcus Dumb potentially lost quite a few dollars if and when he slides. The pathetic thing is Dumb losing it again on the court. The people in the dark ages are the ones that think it's ok to hit a fan.

Dumb>>>>>Racist

Prove he is a racist

Marcus did what he felt was best at the moment whether it was right or wrong means nothing, but to overreact to a push is ridiculous. Some of you make it seem like he punched the guy out. Smart has all rights to be mad when called the N word especially on the month where we celebrate our civil rights leaders and how far we've come from the days of being labeled N*****s by someone of another race. Everybody is so quick to label Smart as wrong, but the fan is just as wrong for saying what he said. The fan is not some kind of higher power than Smart that he gets some type of privilege to say what he wants without repercussions.

Red Larrivee wrote:
If anyone who isn't black comes up to me and calls me a n****r, there's going to be a physical altercation. It's the most offensive thing they can say and your emotions will immediately take over.

I'm not trying to undermine the N-word, and you have every right to let your emotions take over... but there will be ramifications for your actions. As I've said, two wrongs don't make a right. If you punch a guy for calling you that, it's not like the cops are going to let you off the hook because you were called something offensive.

Come on, let's not act like it's common for fans, spectators or critics to call a college athlete a n*****r or any other racial slur right in front of their face.

IF (emphasis on the word "if") the man did call him the N-word, I highly doubt it's the first time a college athlete has been called that and heard it. I've heard terrible things yelled at athletes at college sporting events. I've never heard/seen a fan call a college athlete that name, to his face, personally, but I highly doubt this is the first time it's ever happened.

And again, we don't even know that Orr said it.

Hokie wrote:I'm not trying to undermine the N-word, and you have every right to let your emotions take over... but there will be ramifications for your actions. As I've said, two wrongs don't make a right. If you punch a guy for calling you that, it's not like the cops are going to let you off the hook because you were called something offensive.

That's fine. I'd rather be dumb than ignorant. Everyone has their breaking point. Go up to any black person regardless of job or status and call them a n*****r and see if you don't get the same result. It would be a lot different if he just called him ugly or stupid.

IF (emphasis on the word "if") the man did call him the N-word, I highly doubt it's the first time a college athlete has been called that and heard it. I've heard terrible things yelled at athletes at college sporting events. I've never heard/seen a fan call a college athlete that name, to his face, personally, but I highly doubt this is the first time it's ever happened.

And again, we don't even know that Orr said it.

I'm sure it's been said at games before, but if Smart heard someone far away in the crowd who said it, there's nothing he can really do. If the guy calls it to him in front of face...different story.

This incident is not common, it's a single incident. If not, plenty of cases would have been brought up to compare. So far, people can only bring up the Ron Artest thing in the NBA.

da pmp wrote:

Polynice4Pippen wrote:

da pmp wrote:
The fan didn't lose anything. Marcus Dumb potentially lost quite a few dollars if and when he slides. The pathetic thing is Dumb losing it again on the court. The people in the dark ages are the ones that think it's ok to hit a fan.

Dumb>>>>>Racist

Prove he is a racist

What? Haven't I written "alleged" racist in EVERY ONE OF MY POSTS? Also, why try and justify an allegedly racist remark by saying it's not as bad as what they say in Europe?

What that fan allegedly said is nothing compared to crap that you will hear on a nightly basis in a European league.

Sorry, but that's just pathetic.

Polynice4Pippen wrote:

da pmp wrote:

Polynice4Pippen wrote:
Dumb>>>>>Racist

Prove he is a racist

What? Haven't I written "alleged" racist in EVERY ONE OF MY POSTS? Also, why try and justify an allegedly racist remark by saying it's not as bad as what they say in Europe?

What that fan allegedly said is nothing compared to crap that you will hear on a nightly basis in a European league.

Sorry, but that's just pathetic.

Ain't no stupidity in ever defending your self-worth and right to be treated with the minimum respect a human should give to you.

You should have enough self respect to not allow some white bigot to degrade your worth. However, Smart needs to "smarten" up, needs to see that with fame you can't react as you normally would.

Mightymosdef wrote:

Polynice4Pippen wrote:

da pmp wrote:
Prove he is a racist

What? Haven't I written "alleged" racist in EVERY ONE OF MY POSTS? Also, why try and justify an allegedly racist remark by saying it's not as bad as what they say in Europe?

What that fan allegedly said is nothing compared to crap that you will hear on a nightly basis in a European league.

Sorry, but that's just pathetic.

Ain't no stupidity in ever defending your self-worth and right to be treated with the minimum respect a human should give to you.

You should have enough self respect to not allow some white bigot to degrade your worth. However, Smart needs to "smarten" up, needs to see that with fame you can't react as you normally would.

White bigots (and bigots of all manner, all colors) degrade your worth all the time, be it face to face or trolling on the Internet. You gonna hunt down every racist message board remark about you as well? There's definitely a ton of gray area involved, and you do have to teach people how to treat you and make them respect you, not tolerate disrespect. But at what point does that become counterproductive? When you're losing focus on your goals and going back and forth with trolls instead of working toward your goals? When retaliating physically ends up getting you suspended, costing you money, costing you a job? What's more important, the short term gratification of defending your manhood, or the long term success that comes by keeping your focus and ignoring the ignorance. Easier said than done of course. But I personally will not let some ignorant idiot jeopardize my dreams and lifes work with words. Now physically defending myself is something different. Again though, Smart is human and reacted accordingly. But he's also a target.

Red Larrivee wrote:
I'm sure it's been said at games before, but if Smart heard someone far away in the crowd who said it, there's nothing he can really do. If the guy calls it to him in front of face...different story.

This incident is not common, it's a single incident. If not, plenty of cases would have been brought up to compare. So far, people can only bring up the Ron Artest thing in the NBA.

You're expressing your opinion as if it's a fact. Just because you would react a certain way to being called something offensive doesn't mean that every African American athlete would as well. If the man did actually call Smart the N-word, and Smart just calmly walked away, would we be having this discussion? Obviously not, because it wouldn't have been a story. I don't think this kind of thing is common, but I don't believe for one second that this is the first time a college athlete has been called the N-word (allegedly), to his face, at a basketball game.

You also keep speaking as if Orr definitely, 100% no doubt called Smart the N-word when there's been no evidence whatsoever that proves he did. Smart alleges he did, Orr denies it. What if Smart comes out and says that Orr actually only called him a "piece of crap?" Are you still going to vehemently defend him?

I'm surprised that the immediate reaction to this has been to ask: How will this affect Smart's prospects? For a push? Why does it matter that it was a fan? A ref will step in, maybe call a foul, if someone gets shoved on the court. Yeah, a mistake on Smart's part, whatever, but stripping away Smart's high profile and the heightened nature of sports media coverage, is it really that big of a deal? Everyone involved seems contrite. Can we just forget about it?

It seems I'm in the minority because this thread blew up but I don't give two rats ass about the Smart situation. Dude said something he shouldn't of and a 19 year old kid reacted in a way most 19 year old kids will.

Who cares, let's talk about the actual play of these potential draft guys.

Blue Note wrote:I'm surprised that the immediate reaction to this has been to ask: How will this affect Smart's prospects? For a push? Why does it matter that it was a fan? A ref will step in, maybe call a foul, if someone gets shoved on the court. Yeah, a mistake on Smart's part, whatever, but stripping away Smart's high profile and the heightened nature of sports media coverage, is it really that big of a deal? Everyone involved seems contrite. Can we just forget about it?

It becomes more of a thing because of Smart's meltdown a couple weeks ago. People just expected a little more composure out of a guy who's been labeled a great, mature leader who returned to school. But he has plenty of time to mature. He's just not there yet though, and he's not handling losing and playing poorly all that well.