2017 Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion

TeamTragic · Post #1461 » by **TeamTragic** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:11 am

kennydorglas wrote:

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Please dont go, Dragon

JMac1 · Post #1462 » by **JMac1** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:11 am

Like I said.....relax fellas. If KP is traded, he is coming here. As long as Booker stays I could give what......

kennydorglas · Post #1463 » by **kennydorglas** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:12 am

matt131 wrote:
kennydorglas wrote:

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Ohhhh
Please dont go, Dragon

I mean, he's cool and all but if we could give him instead of Chriss and run with a Porzingis/Chriss front line??? mmmm

I just love him so much, looks like the perfect KP complement (IQ and switch everything on d#)

TeamTragic · Post #1464 » by **TeamTragic** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:12 am

kennydorglas wrote:
matt131 wrote:
kennydorglas wrote:

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Ohhhh
Please dont go, Dragon

I mean, he's cool and all but if we could give him instead of Chriss and run with a Porzingis/Chriss front line??? mmmm

I just love him so much, looks like the perfect KP complement (IQ and switch everything on d#)

I don't want to trade Chriss or Bender :noway:

JMac1 · Post #1465 » by **JMac1** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:13 am

Who is afraid to go to sleep tonight?

Villalobos · Post #1466 » by **Villalobos** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:13 am

matt131 wrote:
kennydorglas wrote:

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Ohhhh
Please dont go, Dragon

I mean, he's cool and all but if we could give him instead of Chriss and run with a Porzingis/Chriss front line??? mmmm

I'd rather give Chriss. He's a worse defender and a Booker/Chriss/KP core would be iso/chuck city.

darealjuice · Post #1467 » by **darealjuice** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:14 am

bwgood77 wrote:
darealjuice wrote:We're in a unique position compared to everyone that wants KP: We have the cap space and are willing to take on Noah's horrible contract. Boston has all the assets in the world, but they can't waste cap space after making the ECF last year, and the Knicks have to clear out terrible contracts if they want any flexibility in the future. Offer something along the lines of #4 + Bledsoe + TJ for KP + Noah with room to negotiate. They get JJ, a really good PG in Bledsoe, and a versatile forward in TJ all while losing Noah's mistake of a contract; we add a young star in Porzingis that fits our team like a glove.

If they get JJ, then I don't think they need Warren anyway. I would offer them Bledsoe, 4, Miami pick next year, our pick in 2019 top 5 protected, and then take back Noah. (For those wondering why I wouldn't offer Knight, Chandler, Dudley, etc...it's because they wouldn't want them). I don't now if that's enough though since it's too much into the future. KP is one of the few players I would personally possibly throw Bender in for, but I don't know if he has a ton of trade value, so I'd try to leave him out. But Bledsoe and three first rounders (one being 4 in a stacked draft) while taking on a bad contract should be enough.

Your offer leaves a hole at 3. If we have Porzingis, Bender, Chriss, and a bunch of bigs, we don't really need many more picks except maybe our own next year..we would probably have to take Brooks (who can play the point) or Jawun Evans at 32 if there though.

True, but Warren played a lot of 4 for us this year too and he would be a great sixth man if they really want to start JJ day one, since it's unlikely he'll be ready for heavy minutes right away. I added Warren more because Phil said he wanted 2 young starters with potential and a high pick in that video. I think I'd be fine with your offer too, but that's nearing the limit of far I'd be willing to go with giving up our own picks.

I know some people don't like it, but our FO talked a lot about playing him at the 3 when they drafted him, and if he develops into someone Andrei Kirilinko-like some of us project then he'd probably be just fine there. If you can defend it, then you can play it in today's NBA. I'm more worried about PG, I like Ulis a lot but I'd be a little worried going into the season with him as the only PG on the roster.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1468 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:14 am

Bledsoe for 9.

4, 9, Bender, Len.

They can get Ntilikina, Monk, Jackson, Bender, Len in 20 hours.

bwoolf2 · Post #1469 » by **bwoolf2** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:15 am

I really like KP but if they trade Chriss im going to be pissed. They can get this done without giving him up. The knicks will not get any better offer no reason to include him. Part of me just wants to draft Jackson and call it a day. Let this team grow and stop messing with them for a couple of years. However if they can trade Warren Bledsoe, 4, both Miami picks and even another future 1st and take back some crap contracts from NY im in. That should be well more than anyone else offers NY outside of Boston and do they really want to trade them in division and will Boston be willing to match that package, I personally dont think they would.

JMac1 · Post #1470 » by **JMac1** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:17 am

bwoolf2 wrote:I really like KP but if they trade Chriss im going to be pissed. They can get this done without giving him up. The knicks will not get any better offer no reason to include him. Part of me just wants to draft Jackson and call it a day. Let this team grow and stop messing with them for a couple of years. However if they can trade Warren Bledsoe, 4, both Miami picks and even another future 1st and take back some crap contracts from NY im in. That should be well more than anyone else offers NY outside of Boston and do they really want to trade them in division and will Boston be willing to match that package, I personally dont think they would.

I feel you, but sorry son, you win with stars.

Booker and KP are them. Chriss and Bender are supporting players.

TeamTragic · Post #1471 » by **TeamTragic** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:17 am

Villalobos wrote:
matt131 wrote:
kennydorglas wrote:

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Ohhhh
Please dont go, Dragon

I mean, he's cool and all but if we could give him instead of Chriss and run with a Porzingis/Chriss front line??? mmmm

I'd rather give Chriss. He's a worse defender and a Booker/Chriss/KP core would be iso/chuck city.

You aren't wrong. I just think Chriss has good potential.

bwoolf2 wrote:I really like KP but if they trade Chriss im going to be pissed. They can get this done without giving him up. The knicks will not get any better offer no reason to include him. Part of me just wants to draft Jackson and call it a day. Let this team grow and stop messing with them for a couple of years. However if they can trade Warren Bledsoe, 4, both Miami picks and even another future 1st and take back some crap contracts from NY im in. That should be well more than anyone else offers NY outside of Boston and do they really want to trade them in division and will Boston be willing to match that package, I personally dont think they would.

Bledsoe/Warren/#4/both Miami picks. If we can keep both Chriss and Bender. Perfect.

AtheJ415 · Post #1472 » by **AtheJ415** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:19 am

GoranTragic wrote:
kennydorglas wrote:
matt131 wrote:
I mean, he's cool and all but if we could give him instead of Chriss and run with a Porzingis/Chriss front line??? mmmm

I just love him so much, looks like the perfect KP complement (IQ and switch everything on d#)

I don't want to trade Chriss or Bender

Me neither, but seriously, this is for Porzingis. It's like saying you don't want to trade Clyde Drexler for MJ.

Porzingis is an absolute, bonified monster who is so unbelievably unique and fits as perfectly as humanly possible next to Booker. I'd trade both for him tomorrow without blinking.

I assume this trade will be #4, one of them, plus Bledsoe and eating Noah's deal at the least, and that is all entirely fine by me. We'd still be winning that trade.

Given where we are as a franchise, this is our championship. Sub 27 year old stars NEVER get traded in this league, and this one shouldn't be moved, but he pissed off a fragile ego and so it may happen.

DirtyDez · Post #1473 » by **DirtyDez** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:19 am

JMac1 wrote:Who is afraid to go to sleep tonight?

The worst part is waking up and having to go thru 20 pages.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1474 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:19 am

Can't believe they're actually contemplating trading a player who will get MVP votes at some stage.

I believe we will get this done as it all but gaurantees McDonough as a Suns hero, main threat is Magic & Ainge.

bwoolf2 · Post #1475 » by **bwoolf2** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:21 am

JMac1 wrote:
bwoolf2 wrote:I really like KP but if they trade Chriss im going to be pissed. They can get this done without giving him up. The knicks will not get any better offer no reason to include him. Part of me just wants to draft Jackson and call it a day. Let this team grow and stop messing with them for a couple of years. However if they can trade Warren Bledsoe, 4, both Miami picks and even another future 1st and take back some crap contracts from NY im in. That should be well more than anyone else offers NY outside of Boston and do they really want to trade them in division and will Boston be willing to match that package, I personally dont think they would.

I feel you, but sorry son, you win with stars.

Booker and KP are them. Chriss and Bender are supporting players.

Technically neither are stars yet, they have potential to be but I would absolutely not anoint either to that level.

matt131 · Post #1476 » by **matt131** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:23 am

bwoolf2 wrote:
JMac1 wrote:
bwoolf2 wrote:I really like KP but if they trade Chriss im going to be pissed. They can get this done without giving him up. The knicks will not get any better offer no reason to include him. Part of me just wants to draft Jackson and call it a day. Let this team grow and stop messing with them for a couple of years. However if they can trade Warren Bledsoe, 4, both Miami picks and even another future 1st and take back some crap contracts from NY im in. That should be well more than anyone else offers NY outside of Boston and do they really want to trade them in division and will Boston be willing to match that package, I personally dont think they would.

I feel you, but sorry son, you win with stars.

Booker and KP are them. Chriss and Bender are supporting players.

Technically neither are stars yet, they have potential to be but I would absolutely not anoint either to that level.

I honestly think around the league KP is considered a star. Booker will be.

I can't wait until we have them on the same team and they both get hot from three and just light up the place. Our own little version of KD and Steph. BOOM

thamadkant · Post #1477 » by **thamadkant** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:23 am

I would trade the following for Porzingis.

Option 1:
Bledsoe and one of Chriss, Bender

Option 2:
One of Chriss or Bender and Pick 4 (Then trsde Bledsoe for a top 10 pick)

Option 3:
Both Chriss and Bender

Option 4:
One of Chriss or Bender, Warren, future pick

And if Knicks want Noah off their payroll then Suns remove any picks what so ever.

AtheJ415 · Post #1478 » by **AtheJ415** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:24 am

bwoolf2 wrote:I really like KP but if they trade Chriss im going to be pissed. They can get this done without giving him up. The knicks will not get any better offer no reason to include him. Part of me just wants to draft Jackson and call it a day. Let this team grow and stop messing with them for a couple of years. However if they can trade Warren Bledsoe, 4, both Miami picks and even another future 1st and take back some crap contracts from NY im in. That should be well more than anyone else offers NY outside of Boston and do they really want to trade them in division and will Boston be willing to match that package, I personally dont think they would.

I don't get this. Warren, for one, is a better fit/bigger need than Chriss if we do get Porzingis. We'd be trading 4 (Jackson/Tatum) and thus if we move Warren we have no small forward, and Warren showed he can be damn good prior to injury and the last month after injury. He was our best player over large portions of the season. Chriss is no sure thing. He's athletic with a great attitude and definitely has upside, but he's averaging 9 and 4 or something like that and this trade involves moving him for a dude only 2 years older who is averaging 18 and 7 and is 7'2" with 3 point range and insane length, who can handle the ball on the break. His upside is every bit as high as Chriss's, if not higher, and he is much closer to reaching it. Dirk with better handles and rim protection ability. I mean, if we trade for him and Booker is not involved and you are anything but thrilled I don't know what to say.

TeamTragic · Post #1479 » by **TeamTragic** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:25 am

1UPZ wrote:I would trade the following for Porzingis.

Option 1:
Bledsoe and one of Chriss, Bender

Option 2:
One of Chriss or Bender and Pick 4 (Then trsde Bledsoe for a top 10 pick)

Option 3:
Both Chriss and Bender

Option 4:
One of Chriss or Bender, Warren, future pick

And if Knicks want Noah off their payroll then Suns remove any picks what so ever.

Bledsoe/Chriss/#4
OR
Bledsoe/#4/Miami picks

thamadkant · Post #1480 » by **thamadkant** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:25 am

bwgood77 wrote:
Waylay13 wrote:
1UPZ wrote:Then spurs draft the next Nowitski or Westbrook with pick 10 lol.

Nope there isnt going to be a player at 10 that is going to be anything close to Dirk or Westbrook. I can see them trying to get a player like Zack Collins who will be a good stretch 5 in a couple years but DSJ or Lauri would be killed by Pop for being a whimp or not developing.

I was just going to say before reading this that I could see Pop liking Markkanen, and then I thought of Collins too. The Spurs always play good D and play the right way, but what they've never really had is a 7 footer who can hit 3's...or just a big in general who could. They might think that they need that to compete with GS. Who would block Markkanen's shot? Obviously he's young and would be nervous. But they also need a PG, so if they liked any of those guys....and they have done well with French PGs in the past.

Gasol led the NBA in 3pt percentage... Under 1 3pter a game but at close to 50 percent