Summer Trade/(OffSeason) Thread 2017

[fallguy]

I bet they find a way to keep Rozier. They love Rozier.

At the free agent meetings, they'll just pass around a little wicker basket with a piece of paper saying "Rozier" attached and ask for donations.

I think there's a non-zero chance Rozier is the starting PG in 2018-19.

[ConstableGeneva]

If we don't do anything other than bring KO back...

IT / Smart / Jackson
Bradley / Rozier / Kadeem
Crowder / Brown / Nader
KO / Tatum / Yabusele
Horford / Zizic / Theis

We're obviously gonna do something. But IF we didn't, how many games can that team win?

[hickfromfrenchlick]

If we don't do anything other than bring KO back...

IT / Smart / Jackson
Bradley / Rozier / Kadeem
Crowder / Brown / Nader
KO / Tatum / Yabusele
Horford / Zizic / Theis

We're obviously gonna do something. But IF we didn't, how many games can that team win?

53

[DarkAzcura]

If we don't do anything other than bring KO back...

IT / Smart / Jackson
Bradley / Rozier / Kadeem
Crowder / Brown / Nader
KO / Tatum / Yabusele
Horford / Zizic / Theis

We're obviously gonna do something. But IF we didn't, how many games can that team win?

Depends on how much Brown develops and how NBA ready Tatum is.

If Brown becomes a plus defender and neutral offensive player while Tatum contributes anywhere from 10-14 PPG, we could see more wins than last season (57ish maybe).

If Brown barely develops and Tatum struggles with the NBA to a tune of 6-8 PPG on limited minutes, then probably not many more wins.

[Shuttlesworth99]

If we don't do anything other than bring KO back...

IT / Smart / Jackson
Bradley / Rozier / Kadeem
Crowder / Brown / Nader
KO / Tatum / Yabusele
Horford / Zizic / Theis

We're obviously gonna do something. But IF we didn't, how many games can that team win?

No Amir hurts that team as well despite his limitations.

I would say the ceiling would be very similar to last season despite development.

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[Froob]

I bet they find a way to keep Rozier. They love Rozier.

At the free agent meetings, they'll just pass around a little wicker basket with a piece of paper saying "Rozier" attached and ask for donations.

I think there's a non-zero chance Rozier is the starting PG in 2018-19.

He's not really a point guard in my opinion, I dunno what position he really is but he's pretty solid.

[Froob]

If we don't do anything other than bring KO back...

IT / Smart / Jackson
Bradley / Rozier / Kadeem
Crowder / Brown / Nader
KO / Tatum / Yabusele
Horford / Zizic / Theis

We're obviously gonna do something. But IF we didn't, how many games can that team win?

60 if healthy. Not a contender though.

[31to6]

If we don't do anything other than bring KO back...

IT / Smart / Jackson
Bradley / Rozier / Kadeem
Crowder / Brown / Nader
KO / Tatum / Yabusele
Horford / Zizic / Theis

We're obviously gonna do something. But IF we didn't, how many games can that team win?

I say, it's almost as if plugging Blake Griffin in as our PF (instead of KO) would make us dramatically better, while maintaining our defensive identity, two more likely high lottery picks, and giving our recent back-to-back #3 overall picks time to shine sometime in the next half decade!

[and giving us the ability to hopefully resign them down the road]
[all of which is to say if I were driving the George and Hayward bandwagon I'd try to sabotage the transmission]
[funny how we all watched the Warriors obliterate the Cavs, agreed with the basketball universe that there's no reason to try to compete with them -- and then set about trying to figure out how to strip our team of assets while getting completely financially hamstrung in an effort to peak at maybe taking a game from them in the 2018 Finals]

[fallguy]

I bet they find a way to keep Rozier. They love Rozier.

At the free agent meetings, they'll just pass around a little wicker basket with a piece of paper saying "Rozier" attached and ask for donations.

I think there's a non-zero chance Rozier is the starting PG in 2018-19.

He's not really a point guard in my opinion, I dunno what position he really is but he's pretty solid.

Totally spitballing (and I recognize it's very unlikely) but a team with ballhandlers like Hayward, George, Tatum (and an emerging Jaylen?) doesn't necessarily need a shot creator like Isaiah. They need a guy who can hit an open three and move the ball. That could be Rozier.

It's all based on a scenario where the C's

1) acquire George

2) convince him to stay and

3) decide a post-injury IT is a $35M luxury they don't need.

[cloverleaf]

Just look at the roster turnaround that is about to happen, in case we got Hayward alone.

Out: Olynyk, Young, Green, Johnson, Mickey, Jackson, Zeller, Jerebko, Rozier* (outside chance Rozier stays if Hayward took around 700k less than the max.

Out if we add George's expiring: Bradley, Crowder, Rozier (now he is def. gone), maybe Smart if Pacers get greedy (though not neccessary to get deal done).

I don't see the C's giving up Rozier. They'll find another solution.

[Higgs Boston]

The simple thought of Lolynyk as starter PF in the next season makes me sick.

[Roddy]

No more Olynyk and Amir please.

[UNCBlue012]

Yeah... I'm sick of Amir and can't wait to have a legit guy to throw into the rotation. I'll miss Kelly if he does indeed (it's probable) have to go.

It would be nice to throw a rotation into the playoffs with four potential all-stars in IT, PG, Horford, and George. It's been stated a million times, but it changes everything for Boston.

[ConstableGeneva]

From Kevin O'Connor's Ringer article:

What Is Danny Ainge Waiting For?

Speaking of patience, the most patient person in human history, Danny Ainge, could finally be ready to cash in on assets this summer. The Celtics president of basketball operations has been sitting on a pile of draft picks, waiting for the right time to strike, and that time could be approaching. Celtics co-owner Wyc Grousbeck said on 98.5 The Sports Hub after the trade deadline that they are “two stars” away. They could conceivably get two this summer: Gordon Hayward, a soon-to-be unrestricted free agent, and Paul George, whom they have been in talks to acquire.

The Celtics were ripped for not topping Minnesota’s trade for Jimmy Butler, but George is better — he’s not as ball-dominant and he’s a better shooter, and he doesn’t carry the same health concerns, despite his fluky leg injury in 2014. The key to understanding the Celtics’ summer, and Ainge’s patience, is Grousbeck’s statement about two stars. Getting one doesn’t get them where they hope to, but getting both does. The $1.4 million they saved from moving from no. 1 to no. 3 could also provide a vital sliver of cap room they’ll need to acquire both George and Hayward or Griffin.

The order of operations in which they make transactions this summer matters, but it’s flexible depending on their goals. The Celtics can easily create max cap space, and then put a trade package together for George. It’s not hard. What does get complicated is if they want to, as 98.5 The Sports Hub’s Adam Kaufman reported, renegotiate and extend George’s contract. George would obviously have to agree to bypass 2018 free agency, but it would make financial sense for him. He could stand to gain about $17 million over the next five years by opting to renegotiate and extend now, and then by signing the five-year max in 2020 for players with 10 or more years of experience.

George could also renegotiate and extend for less, or Hayward could sign for slightly less than the max, too. Alternatively, Boston could skip the Hayward sweepstakes and instead focus on a potentially lower-cost option like Griffin. The Celtics were hot for Blake in the past. They had casual conversations with the Clippers going back to at least the 2016 deadline, per multiple league sources. The Vertical’s Adrian Wojnarowski said the Celtics are the team that’s “really the danger” to pry Griffin away from the Clippers.

If teams are hesitant to offer Griffin the full max, or even a four-year deal, the Celtics could always offer Griffin more years at less than the max. Griffin is a better player than Hayward in virtually every category other than 3-point shooting. He’d solve Boston’s major rebounding issues, while also providing a playmaking presence that Brad Stevens could unlock.

The best ability is availability, but Griffin has more upside than any other player that’ll be available this offseason. Higher variance carries greater risk and greater potential reward. To beat the Warriors, teams will need to gamble.

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[MrSparkle]

(Bulls fan, not trying to troll... but since my team sucks now, it's back to finding interest in other teams.)

I'm pretty devastated with the Minny trade. Personally I was really scared that we were gonna come out with Jackson (#3), Zeller and Smart after draft night... but somehow I'm convinced we did even worse with the Zach (ACL), Dunn (bust) and Lauri (Olynyk without the edge) package.

But I have to really question Ainge's moves, now that draft day has passed. I like what he was doing until then; how he got an extra pick out of PHI for Fultz, but I was sure it was for a star acquisition. Maybe he's 100% certain he's gonna sign Hayward, but I can't help but ask... what if Utah retains him?

Is the backup plan not pretty concerning? You can't trade good assets for Paul George knowing he's 100% intent on becoming a Laker next summer. Any other good player that might be available (Millsap, Gallinari, Ibaka) is gonna sign a deal worth way more than what Jimmy would've costed for 2 years ($19m). In fact, had you traded some salary out (like Zeller), you probably could've easily signed one of those guys in addition to Jimmy, and had a ridiculously stacked contend-now team.

I've said it before, but in trades, I can't think of a better player to target than Hassan Whiteside.

[GoCeltics123]

(Bulls fan, not trying to troll... but since my team sucks now, it's back to finding interest in other teams.)

I'm pretty devastated with the Minny trade. Personally I was really scared that we were gonna come out with Jackson (#3), Zeller and Smart after draft night... but somehow I'm convinced we did even worse with the Zach (ACL), Dunn (bust) and Lauri (Olynyk without the edge) package.

But I have to really question Ainge's moves, now that draft day has passed. I like what he was doing until then; how he got an extra pick out of PHI for Fultz, but I was sure it was for a star acquisition. Maybe he's 100% certain he's gonna sign Hayward, but I can't help but ask... what if Utah retains him?

Is the backup plan not pretty concerning? You can't trade good assets for Paul George knowing he's 100% intent on becoming a Laker next summer. Any other good player that might be available (Millsap, Gallinari, Ibaka) is gonna sign a deal worth way more than what Jimmy would've costed for 2 years ($19m). In fact, had you traded some salary out (like Zeller), you probably could've easily signed one of those guys in addition to Jimmy, and had a ridiculously stacked contend-now team.

I've said it before, but in trades, I can't think of a better player to target than Hassan Whiteside.

Heat aren't trading him

[Slartibartfast]

(Bulls fan, not trying to troll... but since my team sucks now, it's back to finding interest in other teams.)

I'm pretty devastated with the Minny trade. Personally I was really scared that we were gonna come out with Jackson (#3), Zeller and Smart after draft night... but somehow I'm convinced we did even worse with the Zach (ACL), Dunn (bust) and Lauri (Olynyk without the edge) package.

But I have to really question Ainge's moves, now that draft day has passed. I like what he was doing until then; how he got an extra pick out of PHI for Fultz, but I was sure it was for a star acquisition. Maybe he's 100% certain he's gonna sign Hayward, but I can't help but ask... what if Utah retains him?

Is the backup plan not pretty concerning? You can't trade good assets for Paul George knowing he's 100% intent on becoming a Laker next summer. Any other good player that might be available (Millsap, Gallinari, Ibaka) is gonna sign a deal worth way more than what Jimmy would've costed for 2 years ($19m). In fact, had you traded some salary out (like Zeller), you probably could've easily signed one of those guys in addition to Jimmy, and had a ridiculously stacked contend-now team.

I've said it before, but in trades, I can't think of a better player to target than Hassan Whiteside.

Brad Stevens seems to have a veto in place on bigs who can't shoot or play out of the high post. Hence why we were all-in on Porzingis but stifled a yawn when Noel was auctioned off for peanuts.

Also, Kelly Olynyk has an edge?

[OFWGKTA]

(Bulls fan, not trying to troll... but since my team sucks now, it's back to finding interest in other teams.)

I'm pretty devastated with the Minny trade. Personally I was really scared that we were gonna come out with Jackson (#3), Zeller and Smart after draft night... but somehow I'm convinced we did even worse with the Zach (ACL), Dunn (bust) and Lauri (Olynyk without the edge) package.

But I have to really question Ainge's moves, now that draft day has passed. I like what he was doing until then; how he got an extra pick out of PHI for Fultz, but I was sure it was for a star acquisition. Maybe he's 100% certain he's gonna sign Hayward, but I can't help but ask... what if Utah retains him?

Is the backup plan not pretty concerning? You can't trade good assets for Paul George knowing he's 100% intent on becoming a Laker next summer. Any other good player that might be available (Millsap, Gallinari, Ibaka) is gonna sign a deal worth way more than what Jimmy would've costed for 2 years ($19m). In fact, had you traded some salary out (like Zeller), you probably could've easily signed one of those guys in addition to Jimmy, and had a ridiculously stacked contend-now team.

I've said it before, but in trades, I can't think of a better player to target than Hassan Whiteside.

Well Plan A right now seems to be to acquire both Hayward and George (with an extension), so sending good assets won't be a concern if that comes to fruition.

Any of the backup players you mentioned would come for cap space only, no picks or prospects will be given up, so I'm not sure how that's comparable to trading valuable assets for Butler (we won't have cap space after this year anyways).

Horford/Whiteside would get destroyed by Lebron/Love and Durant/Green.