2019 Draft Thread Volume #6 - Post Lottery

[VolumePoster]

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[HomoSapien]

If Culver sneaks into the top 4, I'd wager that Hunter is the one who drops down to us at 7.

[League Circles]

I guess you see Valentine and Hutchison as nothing more than 3rd string players? I have no idea how well they'll play next year, but I'd like to see what the Bulls have in them before they move on.

I don't think they're important enough to even project as anything in particular. If we get better players than them, I'll be happy to never see them play again. I don't know what anyone could have possibly seen in them so far to want to give them more time over acquiring superior players for the reason of avoiding a "crowded" wing situation. It's not that I'm particularly down on them, it's that just from a mathematical standpoint teams can't prioritize spending multiple years giving every draft pick an extended look.

I think between our cap space which we'll almost certainly use on 1-2 players, our draft pick and the room MLE, we'll be adding 3-4 players that project as better than them. So probably one or two of those 3-4 guys will be capable of playing on the wing. Porter and Zach project to get most of the minutes. We also may add a vet minimum player that is competitive with Denzel and Hutch. Not to mention Dunn, Blakeney and maybe Shaq competing with them. Denzel was one of the slowest perimeter players in the league, possibly the very slowest, before missing a year with injury and now entering his final year on his deal. I'd be surprised if both were rotation regulars. Probably one or neither of them will be. I just don't think they crowd anything because only outright good players crowd positions. And they're very very far from being outright good players.

[VolumePoster]

If Culver sneaks into the top 4, I'd wager that Hunter is the one who drops down to us at 7.

I think we're going to end up drafting Hunter. He's not a bad result to be honest. He'll be a solid, winning player. His athletic profile, floor, and perceived lack of upside remind me a bit of WCJ.

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I have the feeling that Reddish is going to go before 7, so we will be looking at two of Garland, Culver, Hunter, White falling to us.

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On another subject, does anyone know who the Bulls are working out? Hoopshype has a list, but all of them are 2nd rounders or undraftables.

[VolumePoster]

I guess you see Valentine and Hutchison as nothing more than 3rd string players? I have no idea how well they'll play next year, but I'd like to see what the Bulls have in them before they move on.

I don't think they're important enough to even project as anything in particular. If we get better players than them, I'll be happy to never see them play again. I don't know what anyone could have possibly seen in them so far to want to give them more time over acquiring superior players for the reason of avoiding a "crowded" wing situation. It's not that I'm particularly down on them, it's that just from a mathematical standpoint teams can't prioritize spending multiple years giving every draft pick an extended look.

I think between our cap space which we'll almost certainly use on 1-2 players, our draft pick and the room MLE, we'll be adding 3-4 players that project as better than them. So probably one or two of those 3-4 guys will be capable of playing on the wing. Porter and Zach project to get most of the minutes. We also may add a vet minimum player that is competitive with Denzel and Hutch. Not to mention Dunn, Blakeney and maybe Shaq competing with them. Denzel was one of the slowest perimeter players in the league, possibly the very slowest, before missing a year with injury and now entering his final year on his deal. I'd be surprised if both were rotation regulars. Probably one or neither of them will be. I just don't think they crowd anything because only outright good players crowd positions. And they're very very far from being outright good players.

I'm interested to see what Hutchinson has in his second season. He has potential as a defensive-oriented point-forward. But neither he nor Valentine should preclude drafting anyone.

[Dan Z]

I guess you see Valentine and Hutchison as nothing more than 3rd string players? I have no idea how well they'll play next year, but I'd like to see what the Bulls have in them before they move on.

I don't think they're important enough to even project as anything in particular. If we get better players than them, I'll be happy to never see them play again. I don't know what anyone could have possibly seen in them so far to want to give them more time over acquiring superior players for the reason of avoiding a "crowded" wing situation. It's not that I'm particularly down on them, it's that just from a mathematical standpoint teams can't prioritize spending multiple years giving every draft pick an extended look.

I think between our cap space which we'll almost certainly use on 1-2 players, our draft pick and the room MLE, we'll be adding 3-4 players that project as better than them. So probably one or two of those 3-4 guys will be capable of playing on the wing. Porter and Zach project to get most of the minutes. We also may add a vet minimum player that is competitive with Denzel and Hutch. Not to mention Dunn, Blakeney and maybe Shaq competing with them. Denzel was one of the slowest perimeter players in the league, possibly the very slowest, before missing a year with injury and now entering his final year on his deal. I'd be surprised if both were rotation regulars. Probably one or neither of them will be. I just don't think they crowd anything because only outright good players crowd positions. And they're very very far from being outright good players.

I'm not suggesting that the Bulls don't add a wing if they think he's the best draft pick. I'm wondering if said player will be brought along slowly because they'll have Hutchison, Denzel, Blakeney and possibly Harrison. You don't think they should see what they have in Hutchison? Denzel I can understand...he's been in the league for three years (only played in two), but as DanTowns pointed out Valentine will be motivated (how well that works for him I have no idea).

[HoopsterJones]

If Garland falls to #5, I predict that the Bulls move up for him.

It’s going to take a good asset to move up to 5 from 7. 38 is not going to be enough. Would have to be a player they like (I doubt it) or a future pick (Bulls should not trade a future pick).

Very possible but could a weak draft lessen the overall trade value?

Chicago could take back a contract like Clarkson in return to help Cleveland get out of the tax.

Maybe. It’s a win/win if the player that Cleveland wants to draft will be there at 7. They could also field more compelling offers.

[VolumePoster]

It’s going to take a good asset to move up to 5 from 7. 38 is not going to be enough. Would have to be a player they like (I doubt it) or a future pick (Bulls should not trade a future pick).

Very possible but could a weak draft lessen the overall trade value?

Chicago could take back a contract like Clarkson in return to help Cleveland get out of the tax.

Maybe. It’s a win/win if the player that Cleveland wants to draft will be there at 7. They could also field more compelling offers.

The way it could play out well for us is if both Garland and White are available at 5. If they are, the Cavs can be confident that Phoenix will take the other point guard. They don't lose much by trading down.

I'd be willing to add a top 10 protected pick to do it.

[Chi town]

Very possible but could a weak draft lessen the overall trade value?

Chicago could take back a contract like Clarkson in return to help Cleveland get out of the tax.

Maybe. It’s a win/win if the player that Cleveland wants to draft will be there at 7. They could also field more compelling offers.

The way it could play out well for us is if both Garland and White are available at 5. If they are, the Cavs can be confident that Phoenix will take the other point guard. They don't lose much by trading down.

I'd be willing to add a top 10 protected pick to do it.

Top 5 protected pick is what it cost in a loaded draft. That was moving to 3. Moving two spots to 5 in a weak draft won’t cost nearly that much.

[League Circles]

I guess you see Valentine and Hutchison as nothing more than 3rd string players? I have no idea how well they'll play next year, but I'd like to see what the Bulls have in them before they move on.

I don't think they're important enough to even project as anything in particular. If we get better players than them, I'll be happy to never see them play again. I don't know what anyone could have possibly seen in them so far to want to give them more time over acquiring superior players for the reason of avoiding a "crowded" wing situation. It's not that I'm particularly down on them, it's that just from a mathematical standpoint teams can't prioritize spending multiple years giving every draft pick an extended look.

I think between our cap space which we'll almost certainly use on 1-2 players, our draft pick and the room MLE, we'll be adding 3-4 players that project as better than them. So probably one or two of those 3-4 guys will be capable of playing on the wing. Porter and Zach project to get most of the minutes. We also may add a vet minimum player that is competitive with Denzel and Hutch. Not to mention Dunn, Blakeney and maybe Shaq competing with them. Denzel was one of the slowest perimeter players in the league, possibly the very slowest, before missing a year with injury and now entering his final year on his deal. I'd be surprised if both were rotation regulars. Probably one or neither of them will be. I just don't think they crowd anything because only outright good players crowd positions. And they're very very far from being outright good players.

I'm not suggesting that the Bulls don't add a wing if they think he's the best draft pick. I'm wondering if said player will be brought along slowly because they'll have Hutchison, Denzel, Blakeney and possibly Harrison. You don't think they should see what they have in Hutchison? Denzel I can understand...he's been in the league for three years (only played in two), but as DanTowns pointed out Valentine will be motivated (how well that works for him I have no idea).

I don't want a player projected as superior to be brought along more slowly for the purpose of getting a longer look at Hutch or Denzel. If either or both of those guys project to be worthy of PT based on merit, that's fine. If not, I've seen enough of both already to not be worried that we're wasting something of value in benching those two.

[Jcool0]

complaining about a 6'7" wing not having enough spacing is silly, because he was the primary reason duke had crappy spacing. if you're a wing whose primary skill is volume scoring, ya gotta be able to shoot.

givony has compared barrett to harden, which is such a dumb comparison because harden's game is almost entirely predicated on his outside shot being a gigantic threat!

Givony and Schmitz's evals don't hit like they used to. Maybe they've stayed the same while draft analysis has advanced a bit. Not sure. Stuff like this drives me crazy though.

I agree Givony has gone downhill since he joined ESPN.
Take a listen to the Dunc'd On podcast and their deep dive of Barrett which I believe is more accurate. Personally I take a hard pass on RJ but the Bulls won't have to make the decision on him anyway.

So seems you like the people who agree with you.

[HomoSapien]

I have the feeling that Reddish is going to go before 7, so we will be looking at two of Garland, Culver, Hunter, White falling to us.

That'd be great if he did, but I'm skeptical. Has he done anything to raise his stock? I think the surgery announcement was done in part to stop him from falling further in the draft.

[johnnyvann840]

I have the feeling that Reddish is going to go before 7, so we will be looking at two of Garland, Culver, Hunter, White falling to us.

That would be outstanding. Heaven help the fool who does it. I'm just not sure one of those teams is that willing to just dismiss everything he just did at Duke in the last season. His most recent season of basketball and his only one at the collegiate level against real competition was less than mediocre. I really don't care what he looked like at his "pro day" or shooting in an empty gym, nor do I care what he did in high school. I just hope one of the teams ahead of us is that stupid.

Reddish has bust written all over him. If the kid had some dog in him and had at least pedestrian efficiency, I could see it. But he played like a eunuch for the majority of his time at Duke and was piss poor shooting the ball.

Like I said, I would be sick to my stomach if the Bulls wind up drafting Cam Reddish. I think his agent is blowing smoke up everyone's ass right now much the same way MPJ's did last year about this time.

[Jcool0]

I have the feeling that Reddish is going to go before 7, so we will be looking at two of Garland, Culver, Hunter, White falling to us.

That'd be great if he did, but I'm skeptical. Has he done anything to raise his stock? I think the surgery announcement was done in part to stop him from falling further in the draft.

As far as i could tell he hasn't been falling if anything he has been rising. People see his smooth jump shot and athleticism in the work out and fall in love with that and i see a lot of people excusing his bad play at Duke.

[TheHrvReport]

Reddish is NOT going to go top 7, if anything he will fall down to #10, 11, 12 area. Just look at what happened with MPJ last year. Inconsistent play combined with injury concerns is a recipe for falling pretty far on draft night.

[MeloRoseNoah]

I have the feeling that Reddish is going to go before 7, so we will be looking at two of Garland, Culver, Hunter, White falling to us.

That'd be great if he did, but I'm skeptical. Has he done anything to raise his stock? I think the surgery announcement was done in part to stop him from falling further in the draft.

As far as i could tell he hasn't been falling if anything he has been rising. People see his smooth jump shot and athleticism in the work out and fall in love with that and i see a lot of people excusing his bad play at Duke.

Either quote source for legitimacy, or admit that it's mostly speculation on your part. Dude will fall to late lottery with these question marks.

[bigworld2017]

If Culver sneaks into the top 4, I'd wager that Hunter is the one who drops down to us at 7.

I think we're going to end up drafting Hunter. He's not a bad result to be honest. He'll be a solid, winning player. His athletic profile, floor, and perceived lack of upside remind me a bit of WCJ.

If we don't move the pick or trade down then we'd be lucky to get Hunter. Look at his measurements. Look at Kawhi Leonard's measurements when he came out. Almost a clone. I'm not suggesting Hunter will be as good. But he's already a better shooter than Leonard was when he came out. Hunter is an elite defender, able to cover 1-4. He's not a chucking ball hog. He's a proven winner. He shut Culver down in the championship game. He's got a NBA body, and I could see him ready to contribute minutes right out of the gate. If we get a free agent vet PG and Dunn is relegated to the 2nd unit, then the bench is going to have some real defensive capabilities with Dunn, Hutch, Hunter and Harrison. Add a FA rim protector and find a way to lose Felicio and that could be a real shut down defensive unit.

[VolumePoster]

If Culver sneaks into the top 4, I'd wager that Hunter is the one who drops down to us at 7.

I think we're going to end up drafting Hunter. He's not a bad result to be honest. He'll be a solid, winning player. His athletic profile, floor, and perceived lack of upside remind me a bit of WCJ.

If we don't move the pick or trade down then we'd be lucky to get Hunter. Look at his measurements. Look at Kawhi Leonard's measurements when he came out. Almost a clone. I'm not suggesting Hunter will be as good. But he's already a better shooter than Leonard was when he came out. Hunter is an elite defender, able to cover 1-4. He's not a chucking ball hog. He's a proven winner. He shut Culver down in the championship game. He's got a NBA body, and I could see him ready to contribute minutes right out of the gate. If we get a free agent vet PG and Dunn is relegated to the 2nd unit, then the bench is going to have some real defensive capabilities with Dunn, Hutch, Hunter and Harrison. Add a FA rim protector and find a way to lose Felicio and that could be a real shut down defensive unit.

I think he could play like a young Leonard with the spurs. However, he is not nearly as fluent an athlete, and will never have the amount of shake to become an offensive creator. That just isn’t in the cards. He is a functional ball handler, but struggles with anything advanced.

He has a clear recipe for NBA success however. Defend, rebound a little, shoot the three, attack close outs, and post up smaller defenders.

I like him as well.