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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1461 » by ProcessDoctor » Wed Sep 9, 2020 11:02 pm

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ProcessDoctor wrote:If Milwaukee (not Giannis) decides to trade Giannis, what would we have to add to Simmons to make it happen?

Let's pretend Philly is on Giannis's shortlist of teams he's willing to sign with long-term.

That would just make us Lakers-East.

Who scores off the dribble in the halfcourt for us? We'd have the same issues they're having in L.A.


If we're 2 wins away from an ECF appearance next year, I'll gladly take those "issues" over the ones we have now.

Acquiring Giannis does not exclude additional moves involving Horford or Harris.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1462 » by Kobblehead » Wed Sep 9, 2020 11:14 pm

Acquiring Giannis is likely going to wipe out a half decade worth of draft capital. That's devastating to an organization.

Especially when we'd just stacking up on ancillary stars that can't score off the dribble so there's no real direct path to the Finals, anyway.

If we're going to mortgage our entire future, I think it makes more sense to do it for Harden.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1463 » by 51X3RF4N » Wed Sep 9, 2020 11:19 pm

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51X3RF4N wrote:The more I think about everything...

If EB really sits down with Joel and Ben, and asks them who they want to play with...

I could definitely see Embiid taking JJs advice and telling Brand he wants to play with Buddy Hield. It really just makes too much sense. Embiid wants to run his 2 man game with an elite shooter. Hield wants out.

Seems to me like Tobias at the stretch 4 role for them makes a lot more sense than Buddy off the bench.

Tobias, Furkan, #21, and a stash of 2nds

for

Buddy, Bjelica, and #12

I would slide Matisse into the starting lineup in a match up based role.

Teams may target Buddy on switches in the playoffs but a good coach won't get killed the way Brett did with not being able to adjust defensive schemes.

Ben covers the best player from 1-4, Matisse covers the 2nd best player from 1-3, and Embiid covers the 5. Buddy covers the worst offensive player from the other team at the 1-3 spots. There aren't too many purely bad offensive players at the SF spot in the NBA, so likely Buddy would end up on the SG who can't shoot, or the defensive minded PG who isn't very quick most of the time.

2nd trade

Horford and Richardson

For

Feliciano, Arcidiacono, and Otto

Chicago gets a mentor to WCJ and a nifty defender in Richardson who they could also flip in another deal. And they don't give up much to get better on the floor.

Sixers get better fits and then go draft Saddiq Bey at $12. Bey works behind Thybulle at first, but eventually replaces Porter in the starting lineup next year.

Embiid/Feliciano
Porter/Bjelica
Thybulle/Bey
Hield/Milton
Simmons/Arcidiacono

This team is built around flexibility on defense and working the offense through Hield/Embiid with shooters and Simmons around them.

There is greater depth and fit.

Blend of youth with vets.

Championship!


These trades are not only logical, but the pieces fit quite well, and there's appeal for the teams we are working with. Chicago gets Lavine some instant help with Richardson and Horford and Chicago can make their playoff push. Internal growth from White, LM, WCJ with Thad Young, Horford, and RIchardson? Yeah...Chicago would say yes I think. I mean, that's a playoff team if the young guys take the next step.

Harris is a good fit in Sacramento, both Hield and Bjelica want out. I don't necessarily think they will go for the pick swap, so we'd probably still be working with the 21st pick in the draft. FWIW I like both of those deals. We're a playoff team for sure, but we're still missing a halfcourt scoring guard. Someone that can break the defense down and score off the bounce. That would be my only complaint about that roster.
My thought on the halfcourt offense is we let it run through the Embiid-Buddy 2 man game.

Post Embiid with Buddy and Porter on the floor, and they will double at their own risk. Porter and Buddy are both elite catch and shoot guys. I can just imagine the pass out to Thybulle with the swinging of the ball around the perimeter until someone gets an open catch and shoot look.

If the post up game needs a break for a few possessions, use the old JJ game with DHOs for Buddy. Let Buddy run the PNR with Embiid or Porter.

And all else fails, spread the floor with Porter and Thybulle in the corners, Buddy out deep on the right, Simmons at the top of the key with the ball and let Embiid come up to set a pick for Ben.

If Ben still won't shoot, then Embiid pops to the top of the key and Simmons breaks down the defense to get into the lane. If someone helps off, you have 3 legit catch and shoot guys plus Embiid waiting at the top of the key.

In this lineup, you'd essentially give Ben the keys whenever the Buddy/Jo combo needs a rest.

But honestly, if Buddy can learn the DHO like Redick, it would quite possibly be unstoppable.

Buddy has better handles than JJ, is better at driving to the hole, is a better passer, and is just as good a shooter.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1464 » by stormi » Wed Sep 9, 2020 11:48 pm

51X3RF4N wrote:The more I think about everything...

If EB really sits down with Joel and Ben, and asks them who they want to play with...

I could definitely see Embiid taking JJs advice and telling Brand he wants to play with Buddy Hield. It really just makes too much sense. Embiid wants to run his 2 man game with an elite shooter. Hield wants out.

Seems to me like Tobias at the stretch 4 role for them makes a lot more sense than Buddy off the bench.

Tobias, Furkan, #21, and a stash of 2nds

for

Buddy, Bjelica, and #12

I would slide Matisse into the starting lineup in a match up based role.

Teams may target Buddy on switches in the playoffs but a good coach won't get killed the way Brett did with not being able to adjust defensive schemes.

Ben covers the best player from 1-4, Matisse covers the 2nd best player from 1-3, and Embiid covers the 5. Buddy covers the worst offensive player from the other team at the 1-3 spots. There aren't too many purely bad offensive players at the SF spot in the NBA, so likely Buddy would end up on the SG who can't shoot, or the defensive minded PG who isn't very quick most of the time.

2nd trade

Horford and Richardson

For

Feliciano, Arcidiacono, and Otto

Chicago gets a mentor to WCJ and a nifty defender in Richardson who they could also flip in another deal. And they don't give up much to get better on the floor.

Sixers get better fits and then go draft Saddiq Bey at $12. Bey works behind Thybulle at first, but eventually replaces Porter in the starting lineup next year.

Embiid/Feliciano
Porter/Bjelica
Thybulle/Bey
Hield/Milton
Simmons/Arcidiacono

This team is built around flexibility on defense and working the offense through Hield/Embiid with shooters and Simmons around them.

There is greater depth and fit.

Blend of youth with vets.

Championship!


This would be an elite offseason, Saddiq Bey is the cherry on top.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1465 » by ProcessDoctor » Wed Sep 9, 2020 11:50 pm

Horford/Korkmaz/#34 for Gordon/Tucker

Harris/Richardson/#36 for CJ/Ariza


McCollum(34)/Milton(14)
Thybulle(18)/Gordon(24)/Milton(6)
Ariza(24)/Tucker(14)/Thybulle(10)
Simmons(34)/Tucker(14)
Embiid(30)/MLE(18)


McCollum/Milton/Micic
Thybulle/Gordon/Smith
Ariza/#21/Shayok
Simmons/Tucker/Scott
Embiid/MLE/Pelle


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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1466 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:17 am

51X3RF4N wrote:
ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:
51X3RF4N wrote:The more I think about everything...

If EB really sits down with Joel and Ben, and asks them who they want to play with...

I could definitely see Embiid taking JJs advice and telling Brand he wants to play with Buddy Hield. It really just makes too much sense. Embiid wants to run his 2 man game with an elite shooter. Hield wants out.

Seems to me like Tobias at the stretch 4 role for them makes a lot more sense than Buddy off the bench.

Tobias, Furkan, #21, and a stash of 2nds

for

Buddy, Bjelica, and #12

I would slide Matisse into the starting lineup in a match up based role.

Teams may target Buddy on switches in the playoffs but a good coach won't get killed the way Brett did with not being able to adjust defensive schemes.

Ben covers the best player from 1-4, Matisse covers the 2nd best player from 1-3, and Embiid covers the 5. Buddy covers the worst offensive player from the other team at the 1-3 spots. There aren't too many purely bad offensive players at the SF spot in the NBA, so likely Buddy would end up on the SG who can't shoot, or the defensive minded PG who isn't very quick most of the time.

2nd trade

Horford and Richardson

For

Feliciano, Arcidiacono, and Otto

Chicago gets a mentor to WCJ and a nifty defender in Richardson who they could also flip in another deal. And they don't give up much to get better on the floor.

Sixers get better fits and then go draft Saddiq Bey at $12. Bey works behind Thybulle at first, but eventually replaces Porter in the starting lineup next year.

Embiid/Feliciano
Porter/Bjelica
Thybulle/Bey
Hield/Milton
Simmons/Arcidiacono

This team is built around flexibility on defense and working the offense through Hield/Embiid with shooters and Simmons around them.

There is greater depth and fit.

Blend of youth with vets.

Championship!


These trades are not only logical, but the pieces fit quite well, and there's appeal for the teams we are working with. Chicago gets Lavine some instant help with Richardson and Horford and Chicago can make their playoff push. Internal growth from White, LM, WCJ with Thad Young, Horford, and RIchardson? Yeah...Chicago would say yes I think. I mean, that's a playoff team if the young guys take the next step.

Harris is a good fit in Sacramento, both Hield and Bjelica want out. I don't necessarily think they will go for the pick swap, so we'd probably still be working with the 21st pick in the draft. FWIW I like both of those deals. We're a playoff team for sure, but we're still missing a halfcourt scoring guard. Someone that can break the defense down and score off the bounce. That would be my only complaint about that roster.
My thought on the halfcourt offense is we let it run through the Embiid-Buddy 2 man game.

Post Embiid with Buddy and Porter on the floor, and they will double at their own risk. Porter and Buddy are both elite catch and shoot guys. I can just imagine the pass out to Thybulle with the swinging of the ball around the perimeter until someone gets an open catch and shoot look.

If the post up game needs a break for a few possessions, use the old JJ game with DHOs for Buddy. Let Buddy run the PNR with Embiid or Porter.

And all else fails, spread the floor with Porter and Thybulle in the corners, Buddy out deep on the right, Simmons at the top of the key with the ball and let Embiid come up to set a pick for Ben.

If Ben still won't shoot, then Embiid pops to the top of the key and Simmons breaks down the defense to get into the lane. If someone helps off, you have 3 legit catch and shoot guys plus Embiid waiting at the top of the key.

In this lineup, you'd essentially give Ben the keys whenever the Buddy/Jo combo needs a rest.

But honestly, if Buddy can learn the DHO like Redick, it would quite possibly be unstoppable.

Buddy has better handles than JJ, is better at driving to the hole, is a better passer, and is just as good a shooter.


Point taken, like I said, I love this idea! It's the best one I've heard anyone come up with yet. Porter is a 40% career shooter from deep. Leaving him to double Embiid would mean death for opponents. I'm sold on Hield too, but I still say add a scorer with the MLE or minimum...There's guys out there that can get buckets in the half court like Tyler Johnson and Shabazz Napier. Still...Nice trade, great ideas all around.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1467 » by the_process » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:59 am

Sacramento and Chicago are definitely the two teams the Sixers should be dealing with. Right combination of contracts and talent to match up with their needs.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1468 » by Kobblehead » Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:34 am

Only player under contract in SacTown I think is worth talking about is Fox.

Chicago has some real interesting pieces, though. Would love to get Porter and Young in here as beastly jumbo wing sized defenders. Give us our answer for Boston's scoring Fs, along with Simmons.
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Post#1469 » by BullyKing » Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:34 am

the_process wrote:Sacramento and Chicago are definitely the two teams the Sixers should be dealing with. Right combination of contracts and talent to match up with their needs.


When Hinkie was here, I didn't even look at the players but rather which teams had bad GM teams he could take advantage of and would just want him to trade with those teams. Now we're that team. Life comes at you fast.
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Post#1470 » by VDT » Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:30 am

BullyKing wrote:
the_process wrote:Sacramento and Chicago are definitely the two teams the Sixers should be dealing with. Right combination of contracts and talent to match up with their needs.


When Hinkie was here, I didn't even look at the players but rather which teams had bad GM teams he could take advantage of and would just want him to trade with those teams. Now we're that team. Life comes at you fast.


Quoted for truth. Hinkie would have Brand on speed dial.

It is insane how little self awareness these terrible GMs have. They keep trading with the same GMs that have been fleecing teams since forever.

Being awful at making trades is one thing, thinking that you are good while being awful is another.
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Post#1471 » by ankle420breaker » Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:30 am

Tobias & Korkmaz for Fournier and Aminu could be a realistic scenario. Tobias had some good years down there and would actually be a decent fit alongside Vucevic, Ross, Gordon, and Fultz.

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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1472 » by youngcrev » Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:18 pm

ankle420breaker wrote:Tobias & Korkmaz for Fournier and Aminu could be a realistic scenario. Tobias had some good years down there and would actually be a decent fit alongside Vucevic, Ross, Gordon, and Fultz.

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I like Fournier, though he seems to be one those guys that can do what he does in the regular season during the playoffs. Still, he'd be the best shooter/playmaker on the team.

That said, seems like Harris, Gordon and Isaac are all best suited for the 4, so I don't really see the fit for them.

Wouldn't mind making a play for Ross depending on the price. He can hit those Belinelli type tough 3s off movement while not being a complete liability on defense.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1473 » by youngcrev » Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:20 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Only player under contract in SacTown I think is worth talking about is Fox.

Chicago has some real interesting pieces, though. Would love to get Porter and Young in here as beastly jumbo wing sized defenders. Give us our answer for Boston's scoring Fs, along with Simmons.


Yeah, I like both as buy-low options if they're willing to take Horford. Particularly if we can deal Harris somewhere
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1474 » by youngcrev » Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:28 pm

I'm kinda intrigued by the idea of also going after Schroder in a CP3 deal (or just in general).

I don't love him as a top perimeter threat and I'm guessing this was more of an outlier year for him from 3 (particularly given his percentages in the playoffs), but I'd love to have him in a similar role to how the Thunder used him this year. Good point of attack defender, can get to the rim, seems to have improved as a finisher and a shooter, pretty good passer.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1475 » by Kobblehead » Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:29 pm

ankle420breaker wrote:Tobias & Korkmaz for Fournier and Aminu could be a realistic scenario. Tobias had some good years down there and would actually be a decent fit alongside Vucevic, Ross, Gordon, and Fultz.

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I'm not sure Orlando will maintain the rights to Fournier. He's probably going to opt out and be a ufa.

Also, for whatever reason, he just can't prove his worth in the postseason.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1476 » by skulky » Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:34 pm

Fournier is an ufa, no? People complain about harris’ playoff performances, I don’t think Fournier is the answer. He’s been as bad or worse.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1477 » by skulky » Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:39 pm

youngcrev wrote:I'm kinda intrigued by the idea of also going after Schroder in a CP3 deal (or just in general).

I don't love him as a top perimeter threat and I'm guessing this was more of an outlier year for him from 3 (particularly given his percentages in the playoffs), but I'd love to have him in a similar role to how the Thunder used him this year. Good point of attack defender, can get to the rim, seems to have improved as a finisher and a shooter, pretty good passer.

Yeah it seemed like such a bad move for Atlanta to trade schroder. Now he’s exactly the player they need/ are looking for. I agree that okc used him well and put him in a position to succeed. I’ve always liked him, was a little overrated in Atlanta, but he’s been solid. I don’t know how available he will be, but he has a lot of skills we are lacking.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1478 » by ankle420breaker » Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:42 pm

skulky wrote:Fournier is an ufa, no? People complain about harris’ playoff performances, I don’t think Fournier is the answer. He’s been as bad or worse.
Disregard. Thought Fournier still had another year.

It's not that Fournier is some kind of major upgrade (better fit, but I'd say he's a worse overall player than Tobi), its about ridding ourselves of his contract ramifications. Moot point if he's a UFA.

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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1479 » by Kobblehead » Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:46 pm

He's due $17 million so he's probably going to opt out.

He can get 2 years, $30m from a big handful of teams. Might even get some team so pony up $18-20m annually.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1480 » by Kobblehead » Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:49 pm

I'd rather have Rozier than Schroder. Terry has the ability to defend the point of attack when he's locked in. Dennis seems content to just be annoying/dirty as opposed to actually playing good defense (similar to Lance).

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