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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Regular Season Thread 

Post#1461 » by CelticsLV » Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:50 pm

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zoyathedestroya wrote:Our lack of offensive proficiency (lack of offensive system really since IT/Horford) is now being exposed (we've seen glimpses of it in the Miami series and was ultimately our downfall) as soon as the players stopped executing on the defensive end and our stars have stopped hitting their shots at a consistently high rate (which was the case earlier in the season). Tatum has been on a slump, Jaylen is no longer hitting his midrange shots at 70%+, and Kemba's had like 3 or 4 decent shooting games this season. Brad's team's calling card has always been defense. That hasn't been the case this season.

Even our bench group who's always taken pride at being able to defend ever since the days of Jerebko/KO/ET is now average at it at best while still being unable to score.

Jerebgoat is still only 33. Get him and Sully back and party like it's 2015*!

* or whatever year they were both on the squad that i'm too lazy to look up.


He and Monroe are too busy dissapointing russian billionairs and fans. Their team Khimki (one of the biggest spenders in Europe) released both of them after embarrassing Euroleague season - last place by a large margin :lol:

Jordan Mickey is also on that team.
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Post#1462 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue Feb 16, 2021 10:04 pm

Interesting chart. Cs are 2nd in allowing fewest season highs of opposing players.
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Post#1463 » by SuperDeluxe » Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:44 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:Interesting chart. Cs are 2nd in allowing fewest season highs of opposing players.
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But we are league leaders, ten years running, in allowing career high in points from opposing scrubs.
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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Regular Season Thread 

Post#1464 » by djFan71 » Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:49 am

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djFan71 wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:Our lack of offensive proficiency (lack of offensive system really since IT/Horford) is now being exposed (we've seen glimpses of it in the Miami series and was ultimately our downfall) as soon as the players stopped executing on the defensive end and our stars have stopped hitting their shots at a consistently high rate (which was the case earlier in the season). Tatum has been on a slump, Jaylen is no longer hitting his midrange shots at 70%+, and Kemba's had like 3 or 4 decent shooting games this season. Brad's team's calling card has always been defense. That hasn't been the case this season.

Even our bench group who's always taken pride at being able to defend ever since the days of Jerebko/KO/ET is now average at it at best while still being unable to score.

Jerebgoat is still only 33. Get him and Sully back and party like it's 2015*!

* or whatever year they were both on the squad that i'm too lazy to look up.


He and Monroe are too busy dissapointing russian billionairs and fans. Their team Khimki (one of the biggest spenders in Europe) released both of them after embarrassing Euroleague season - last place by a large margin :lol:

Jordan Mickey is also on that team.

Wow, that's crazy. I take it Anton Ainge is in charge of scouting and player development for them?
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Post#1465 » by Fencer reregistered » Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:57 am

Is Timelord on a de facto minutes restriction, or is it just that he's third in line behind Theis and Thompson?
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Post#1466 » by Fierce1 » Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:02 am

Fencer reregistered wrote:Is Timelord on a de facto minutes restriction, or is it just that he's third in line behind Theis and Thompson?


He's 3rd behind Theis and TT.

Rob still keeps making a lot of mistakes.
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Post#1467 » by Fencer reregistered » Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:22 am

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Fencer reregistered wrote:Is Timelord on a de facto minutes restriction, or is it just that he's third in line behind Theis and Thompson?


He's 3rd behind Theis and TT.

Rob still keeps making a lot of mistakes.


His personal numbers are excellent, and his team ORtg/DRtg numbers are absurdly good. The shotblocker-alters-other-shots narrative seems to apply.

I suspect he deserves more time despite the mistakes.
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Post#1468 » by Fierce1 » Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:24 am

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Fencer reregistered wrote:Is Timelord on a de facto minutes restriction, or is it just that he's third in line behind Theis and Thompson?


He's 3rd behind Theis and TT.

Rob still keeps making a lot of mistakes.


His personal numbers are excellent, and his team ORtg/DRtg numbers are absurdly good. The shotblocker-alters-other-shots narrative seems to apply.

I suspect he deserves more time despite the mistakes.


Agree!

I think the safest Center to keep is TT.
He's not great, but he's solid.

Theis becomes a free-agent at the end of the season.

Rob has potential.

It's up to Ainge.
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Post#1469 » by Fierce1 » Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:28 am

Putting aside their salaries and how it will impact the cap situation, what you guys think if Horford replaces Theis as the starting Center?
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Post#1470 » by Fencer reregistered » Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:35 am

Fierce1 wrote:Putting aside their salaries and how it will impact the cap situation, what you guys think if Horford replaces Theis as the starting Center?


Might be an improvement short term, but I'd rather re-sign Theis.

Horford over Thompson is an easier choice.
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Post#1471 » by Bleeding Green » Wed Feb 17, 2021 4:02 am

Horford is 34 and has to be managed like Walker, and looked atrocious in the playoffs just a few months ago. He is not playing over Daniel Theis or this team is bat ****. Over Thompson he would play of course, but Tristy shouldn't even see the floor in an ideal world. Either way, he's a big and who really cares about bigs?
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Post#1472 » by robdog_5 » Wed Feb 17, 2021 4:11 am

Theis is a good player who has great chemistry with our best players. He honestly is the most consistent of our guys. He can stretch the floor. He is a great screener in the lane to help get open looks at rim. He is a guy who can defend multiple positions.

He lacks length/ht for center
He fouls a lot.
He can't really create much off dribble.

He is limited but for 5 mil he is a very productive player. He can help ALOT of teams including ours. But if Rob Williams can elevate his game like today he is the guy you would ideally want to take over.
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Post#1473 » by Fierce1 » Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:28 am

robdog_5 wrote:Theis is a good player who has great chemistry with our best players. He honestly is the most consistent of our guys. He can stretch the floor. He is a great screener in the lane to help get open looks at rim. He is a guy who can defend multiple positions.

He lacks length/ht for center
He fouls a lot.
He can't really create much off dribble.

He is limited but for 5 mil he is a very productive player. He can help ALOT of teams including ours. But if Rob Williams can elevate his game like today he is the guy you would ideally want to take over.


That's why Ainge has a decision to make.

Is Theis worth keeping long term?

Or will Ainge trade him on or before the trade deadline so that the Celts will not have to worry about Theis' impending free-agency?
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Post#1474 » by robdog_5 » Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:38 am

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robdog_5 wrote:Theis is a good player who has great chemistry with our best players. He honestly is the most consistent of our guys. He can stretch the floor. He is a great screener in the lane to help get open looks at rim. He is a guy who can defend multiple positions.

He lacks length/ht for center
He fouls a lot.
He can't really create much off dribble.

He is limited but for 5 mil he is a very productive player. He can help ALOT of teams including ours. But if Rob Williams can elevate his game like today he is the guy you would ideally want to take over.


That's why Ainge has a decision to make.

Is Theis worth keeping long term?

Or will Ainge trade him on or before the trade deadline so that the Celts will not have to worry about Theis' impending free-agency?


I don't even know who would want Theis. Not sure who needs a big
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Post#1475 » by Fencer reregistered » Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:38 am

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robdog_5 wrote:Theis is a good player who has great chemistry with our best players. He honestly is the most consistent of our guys. He can stretch the floor. He is a great screener in the lane to help get open looks at rim. He is a guy who can defend multiple positions.

He lacks length/ht for center
He fouls a lot.
He can't really create much off dribble.

He is limited but for 5 mil he is a very productive player. He can help ALOT of teams including ours. But if Rob Williams can elevate his game like today he is the guy you would ideally want to take over.


That's why Ainge has a decision to make.

Is Theis worth keeping long term?

Or will Ainge trade him on or before the trade deadline so that the Celts will not have to worry about Theis' impending free-agency?


When OKC traded much more for Perk than he was worth, accepting that deal still didn't turn out well. It's tough to imagine a Theis trade that would make sense except for a direct upgrade at center, and that possibility is unlikely to be out there.
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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Regular Season Thread 

Post#1476 » by robdog_5 » Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:40 am

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robdog_5 wrote:Theis is a good player who has great chemistry with our best players. He honestly is the most consistent of our guys. He can stretch the floor. He is a great screener in the lane to help get open looks at rim. He is a guy who can defend multiple positions.

He lacks length/ht for center
He fouls a lot.
He can't really create much off dribble.

He is limited but for 5 mil he is a very productive player. He can help ALOT of teams including ours. But if Rob Williams can elevate his game like today he is the guy you would ideally want to take over.


That's why Ainge has a decision to make.

Is Theis worth keeping long term?

Or will Ainge trade him on or before the trade deadline so that the Celts will not have to worry about Theis' impending free-agency?


When OKC traded much more for Perk than he was worth, accepting that deal still didn't turn out well. It's tough to imagine a Theis trade that would make sense except for a direct upgrade at center, and that possibility is unlikely to be out there.


The only thing I can think of is a pick to use for a Collins type
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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Regular Season Thread 

Post#1477 » by zoyathedestroya » Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:03 am

Tatum - 34
Brown - 32
Smart - 32
Kemba - 30
Theis - 26
Timelord - 22
PP - 24
Nesmith - 20
Semi - 10

Remaining 10 mins. go to one of Grant/Thompson/Javonte/Edwards as situational players. Thompson increases minutes depending on matchup.
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Post#1478 » by zoyathedestroya » Wed Feb 17, 2021 4:22 pm

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Post#1479 » by playa-hater » Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:51 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:Tatum - 34
Brown - 32
Smart - 32
Kemba - 30
Theis - 26
Timelord - 22
PP - 24
Nesmith - 20
Semi - 10

Remaining 10 mins. go to one of Grant/Thompson/Javonte/Edwards as situational players. Thompson increases minutes depending on matchup.


Just about exact for me. Theis 24 - Timelord 24. Of course so much depends on Theis and Foul trouble.
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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Regular Season Thread 

Post#1480 » by playa-hater » Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:56 pm

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Fierce1 wrote:
robdog_5 wrote:Theis is a good player who has great chemistry with our best players. He honestly is the most consistent of our guys. He can stretch the floor. He is a great screener in the lane to help get open looks at rim. He is a guy who can defend multiple positions.

He lacks length/ht for center
He fouls a lot.
He can't really create much off dribble.

He is limited but for 5 mil he is a very productive player. He can help ALOT of teams including ours. But if Rob Williams can elevate his game like today he is the guy you would ideally want to take over.


That's why Ainge has a decision to make.

I think Theis would be a top 3 maybe even #1 backup center in the NBA at minimum.

Is Theis worth keeping long term?

Or will Ainge trade him on or before the trade deadline so that the Celts will not have to worry about Theis' impending free-agency?


I don't even know who would want Theis. Not sure who needs a big


I think teams with better overall size in their lineups than Boston can minimize Theis' lack of ideal height and make him a pretty good small ball 5 man. I think quite a few teams will be interested when the time comes.
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