Tatum VS Luka

MavfanAus · Post #1461 » by **MavfanAus** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 3:42 am

CraftylikeaFox wrote:
MavfanAus wrote:
KhalilS wrote:72 pages of arguing that a guy with better statistical impact both RS and PO, historical numbers in his 1st 4 years, ROY in his 1st year and 1st team all NBA in the other 3, always ahead in voting over the other guy, he even has better defensive metrics (No, I don't think Luka is a better defender), a guy who took one of the most dominant RS teams, and last year finalist, and destroyed them in game 7, isn't better than the other guy, just because the other guy is "better defender".

Yep, ridiculous. And 146 of those posts have come from one person saying the same thing over and over.

Is it actually 146 lol? Every time I check this thread I'm amazed he's still going this hard on these takes. You'd think he'd be a little embarrassed after a while.

Yeah it's pretty bad. I mean don't get me wrong dude, I may be a Mavs fan, but I'm not going to defy logic and say that Luka hasn't got faults to his game. He definitely needs to improve his conditioning, and he still has to improve defensively.

But to continually talk about a player for weeks on end in the same forum thread and drop the same takes over and over about a 23 year old basketball player is beyond ridiculous especially when that player has played at best, a quarter of his career so far and has time to continually improve.

Sometimes I wonder what mental health issues are prevalent with people who obsess over s-hit like this. It's abnormal behavior. Some people really have too much time on their hands

DroseReturnChi · Post #1462 » by **DroseReturnChi** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 10:37 am

13 per tatum is pretty cringe. but defense tatum wins lol.

AussieCeltic · Post #1463 » by **AussieCeltic** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 11:30 am

BmanInBigD wrote:
FlatearthZorro wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
Difficult to compare total stats, if someone played 9 games more.

And Luka had better efficiency before the series vs. GSW too. But if you compare only series vs.GSW, the difference is just appalling.

Pretty simple, brav. Tatum was good at defense and offense. Obviously he sucked vs the Warriors, befoer that if we compare seires to series- Tatum was better, casue the D is important.
I believe Luka will be better, but he does need to be in better shape. It's hilarious to look this chubby with all the people at your disposal. Luka could be top 10, he seems kinda lazy and too ball dominant at this point. Very talented tho.

Humor me and name 10 players right now better than Luka, who’s been All-NBA 1st team what, the last 3 years? This could be real entertaining…hell, you can’t name 3 or 4.

He meant top 10 of all time…

Mirotic12 · Post #1464 » by **Mirotic12** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 2:35 pm

This isn't even remotely debatable. Luka is better than Tatum by miles and miles. I do like Tatum quite a bit as a player, but he's not even in the same discussion with Luka.

Jkam31 · Post #1465 » by **Jkam31** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 6:25 pm

Bob8 wrote:
FlatearthZorro wrote:
Wagonband wrote:Tatum could've gone for 0/0/0/0/0 and 3 of you guys would manage to find proof that he is still better than Luka...

And please stop with the "he made the finals". So did Pritchard, does that make him better than Luka?

And as far as Luka having a bad game 5 against the Warriors, at least he tried and didn't fade away at the end, hoping that Dwight Powell would win the game for the Mavs, like Tatum did with Williams and Horford.

There is no excuse for Tatum, he is a very good player, but no superstar can play the NBA finals like that. Curry was crucified for his finals perfomances up until this year and they were miles ahead of what Tatum did.

He's a far superior defender, Tatum is and outside of the GSW series(which obviously we can't discount, where Tatum had 2 good games), Tatum had a better overall playoff run. Luka needs to be in shape, it still baffles me how chunky he looks with the amount of resources he has at his disposal at the NBA level to be in shape.

How Tatum had better playoffs run? He was worse in everything. Points, rebounds, assists, steals, TO, efficiency...

Cause he texted kobe

Lalouie · Post #1466 » by **Lalouie** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 6:35 pm

if you ask yourself "what have they done for the org", this poll shouldn't even exist.

so i have to assume this is some kind of athleticism poll because this is not a "winner" poll.

AdagioPace · Post #1467 » by **AdagioPace** » Sun Jun 19, 2022 11:58 am

Tatum can become a great two-way All-NBA player (a sort of less freaky Kawhi). Luka is a generational offensive talent with a big experience advantage. It was not the right time to make this comparison and the playoffs are usually the discriminating factor when two players seem close in RS

3toheadmelo · Post #1468 » by **3toheadmelo** » Sun Jun 19, 2022 12:39 pm

Tatum was just 2 games away from being a champion. I am still taking him. Getting past KD, Giannis and Butler is an insane playoff run for a 24 year old.

CodeBreaker · Post #1469 » by **CodeBreaker** » Wed May 31, 2023 5:08 pm

This is like comparing a Jordan type of player to a Pippen type of player

Post #1470 » by **tsherkin** » Wed May 31, 2023 5:11 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:Tatum was just 2 games away from being a champion. I am still taking him. Getting past KD, Giannis and Butler is an insane playoff run for a 24 year old.

He didn't exactly do it by himself. Boston has a much better team than Dallas. Team outcome, shockingly, depends on team quality.

bfchs123 · Post #1471 » by **bfchs123** » Wed May 31, 2023 5:15 pm

Tatum led team is not finishing under .500

Archx · Post #1472 » by **Archx** » Wed May 31, 2023 5:18 pm

Oh no... not this thread again.

Let me guess the arguments this time. "Luka didn't make the playoffs", "Tatum only lost because he rolled his ankle".

Edit. Just as i posted i see we already have one of those.

3toheadmelo · Post #1473 » by **3toheadmelo** » Wed May 31, 2023 5:19 pm

tsherkin wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:Tatum was just 2 games away from being a champion. I am still taking him. Getting past KD, Giannis and Butler is an insane playoff run for a 24 year old.

He didn't exactly do it by himself. Boston has a much better team than Dallas. Team outcome, shockingly, depends on team quality.

luke can't fit next to ball dominant players. couldnt fit well next to brunson, couldnt adjust his game next to kyrie. dallas is only good when luka ball hogs.

really no excuse for dallas to miss the playoffs. but thats what happens when your star player can't fit next to other stars.

Freighttrain · Post #1474 » by **Freighttrain** » Wed May 31, 2023 5:20 pm

bfchs123 wrote:Tatum led team is not finishing under .500

He's been fortunate to have a good cast around him, unlike Doncic.

danvato · Post #1475 » by **danvato** » Wed May 31, 2023 5:32 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
tsherkin wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:Tatum was just 2 games away from being a champion. I am still taking him. Getting past KD, Giannis and Butler is an insane playoff run for a 24 year old.

He didn't exactly do it by himself. Boston has a much better team than Dallas. Team outcome, shockingly, depends on team quality.

luke can't fit next to ball dominant players. couldnt fit well next to brunson, couldnt adjust his game next to kyrie. dallas is only good when luka ball hogs.

really no excuse for dallas to miss the playoffs. but thats what happens when your star player can't fit next to other stars.

'couldn't fit next to Brunson' to the tune of making the WCF

rapstarter · Post #1476 » by **rapstarter** » Wed May 31, 2023 5:46 pm

Brunson and Dinwiddie did just fine next to Luka.

MavsDirk41 · Post #1477 » by **MavsDirk41** » Wed May 31, 2023 5:46 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
tsherkin wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:Tatum was just 2 games away from being a champion. I am still taking him. Getting past KD, Giannis and Butler is an insane playoff run for a 24 year old.

He didn't exactly do it by himself. Boston has a much better team than Dallas. Team outcome, shockingly, depends on team quality.

luke can't fit next to ball dominant players. couldnt fit well next to brunson, couldnt adjust his game next to kyrie. dallas is only good when luka ball hogs.

really no excuse for dallas to miss the playoffs. but thats what happens when your star player can't fit next to other stars.

Its Luka not Luke and him and Brunson were a great fit next together. Luka needs a better supporting cast and if you replaced Tatum with Luka on the Celtics do you think Boston is worse? Tatum is a much better defender and is better at getting to the basket. Luka is a much better passer and would probably be a better fit with Brown. I wish Luka and Porzingis would have worked better together.

MavsDirk41 · Post #1478 » by **MavsDirk41** » Wed May 31, 2023 5:48 pm

rapstarter wrote:Brunson and Dinwiddie did just fine next to Luka.

I would take Dinwiddie and DFS over Kyrie.

3toheadmelo · Post #1479 » by **3toheadmelo** » Wed May 31, 2023 5:56 pm

danvato wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
tsherkin wrote:
He didn't exactly do it by himself. Boston has a much better team than Dallas. Team outcome, shockingly, depends on team quality.

luke can't fit next to ball dominant players. couldnt fit well next to brunson, couldnt adjust his game next to kyrie. dallas is only good when luka ball hogs.

really no excuse for dallas to miss the playoffs. but thats what happens when your star player can't fit next to other stars.

'couldn't fit next to Brunson' to the tune of making the WCF

Read on Twitter

luka ran brunson out of town. ran KP out of town. and will soon run Kyrie out of town. rinse and repeat.

3toheadmelo · Post #1480 » by **3toheadmelo** » Wed May 31, 2023 5:59 pm

MavsDirk41 wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
tsherkin wrote:
He didn't exactly do it by himself. Boston has a much better team than Dallas. Team outcome, shockingly, depends on team quality.

luke can't fit next to ball dominant players. couldnt fit well next to brunson, couldnt adjust his game next to kyrie. dallas is only good when luka ball hogs.

really no excuse for dallas to miss the playoffs. but thats what happens when your star player can't fit next to other stars.

Its Luka not Luke and him and Brunson were a great fit next together. Luka needs a better supporting cast and if you replaced Tatum with Luka on the Celtics do you think Boston is worse? Tatum is a much better defender and is better at getting to the basket. Luka is a much better passer and would probably be a better fit with Brown. I wish Luka and Porzingis would have worked better together.

boston is a top 3 defensive team in the league. and tatum plays a massive part in that. you replace him with luka their defense identity goes away and they turn into the chicago bulls.

Who's the better player overall?