Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3

[UptownPhilly]

It’s still very early, but part of me expects Embiid to request a trade this season. This Harden/Tobias situation is the final nail in the coffin.

Why are we delaying extending Maxey, not immediately matching Reed, letting young talent like Shake (meh) leave? What is the plan of this front office? What is the commitment to winning? Is there one? There’s really no telling with Morey. Wasting a year of Embiid’s prime just doesn’t work.

The Nurse hiring is good, but so far we’ve only signed players that will likely ride the bench.

[sixers hoops]

What ten plus year guy are we signing that deserves the max?

Nobody

Except for LeBron, Kawhi, Paul George, Jrue, AD, DeMar, and Klay Thompson.

There's a decent amount.

These guys aren’t leaving California to come play on a comparable team in Philly, so I think five of those guys are extremely unrealistic. We aren’t signing Lebron. There is no chance he comes here. I am also pretty certain there is no chance Klay is coming here. AD isn’t leaving the Lakers to come here. I don’t think any of those guys are realistic. I think if Kawhi or George don’t pick up their player option, it will be because they are planning to re-sign in LA.

Even Jrue. I don’t see him leaving Giannis to come play here.

I think the only guy who would even consider Philly would be DeRozan, and I don’t think he is a max guy.

I would be shocked if anybody on that list, other than DeRozan, were to come here. It just seems extremely unrealistic to me. These are guys who wanted to play in California and forced their way to the Lakers and Clippers. Klay likely will stay with the Warriors.

I could possibly see some agents getting Morey to clear space to use us as leverage, but ultimately, other than DeRozan, they all stay put.

[Slacktard]

It’s still very early, but part of me expects Embiid to request a trade this season. This Harden/Tobias situation is the final nail in the coffin.

Why are we delaying extending Maxey, not immediately matching Reed, letting young talent like Shake (meh) leave? What is the plan of this front office? What is the commitment to winning? Is there one? There’s really no telling with Morey. Wasting a year of Embiid’s prime just doesn’t work.

The Nurse hiring is good, but so far we’ve only signed players that will likely ride the bench.

I mean there really isn't a tactical advantage to extending Maxey with how the cap works. Now whether the Sixers will actually REALLY UTILIZE that advantage is another story... but basically

Maxey's extension wouldn't take effect until 2024-2025 if the Sixers signed him to it now.

For the summer of 2024 Maxey as a RFA has a cap-hold of $13m. If he signed an extension like Haliburton and some of the others have and got $40m a year. That would increase his cap figure going into the summer of 2024 by about 27m or more.

So the Sixers would be able to spend up to $13m from the cap for next summer *then* sign Maxey to his contract and go $27m...$30m... whatever his salary would be 'over' the cap.

If Harris and Harden were to expire and they were to use that cap space to sign a FA then holding onto the Maxey extension until they used up their cap space allows them to go over the cap by a large amount. If they signed Maxey to his extension now then Embiid + Maxey would go into next summer probably counting for $91m-$95m. Which could be like 2/3 of the cap just by themselves.

[mjkvol]

It’s still very early, but part of me expects Embiid to request a trade this season. This Harden/Tobias situation is the final nail in the coffin.

Why are we delaying extending Maxey, not immediately matching Reed, letting young talent like Shake (meh) leave? What is the plan of this front office? What is the commitment to winning? Is there one? There’s really no telling with Morey. Wasting a year of Embiid’s prime just doesn’t work.

The Nurse hiring is good, but so far we’ve only signed players that will likely ride the bench.

And it's also entirely possible that the 'commitment to winning' goes beyond 2023, that for once the franchise looked at this roster and who was available and thought beyond 'win now' for the first time since Hinkie was here.

[Kobblehead]

I can only imagine the amount of tampering going on right now between the Knicks and Embiid.

[mjkvol]

Nobody

Except for LeBron, Kawhi, Paul George, Jrue, AD, DeMar, and Klay Thompson.

There's a decent amount.

These guys aren’t leaving California to come play on a comparable team in Philly, so I think five of those guys are extremely unrealistic. We aren’t signing Lebron. There is no chance he comes here. I am also pretty certain there is no chance Klay is coming here. AD isn’t leaving the Lakers to come here. I don’t think any of those guys are realistic. I think if Kawhi or George don’t pick up their player option, it will be because they are planning to re-sign in LA.

Even Jrue. I don’t see him leaving Giannis to come play here.

I think the only guy who would even consider Philly would be DeRozan, and I don’t think he is a max guy.

I would be shocked if anybody on that list, other than DeRozan, were to come here. It just seems extremely unrealistic to me. These are guys who wanted to play in California and forced their way to the Lakers and Clippers. Klay likely will stay with the Warriors.

I could possibly see some agents getting Morey to clear space to use us as leverage, but ultimately, other than DeRozan, they all stay put.

I believe you're right, and I also really hope so. There is no one on that list I would want here unless Kawhi could wind the clock back a few years. And I hope Morey isn't stupid and gullible enough to clear space expecting any of them to come here.

This whole idea of cap space having the single purpose of filling "max slots" really has to end. Doesn't anyone look around and see how the smaller market 'non-destination' teams are building now? Stop trying to compete with the LA's, Miami's, and NY's of the world and build something lasting from the ground up.

[mjkvol]

Kennedy Chandler- I'm a UT fan so...

Just saw this. The kid can play.

Read on Twitter

[Arsenal]

Except for LeBron, Kawhi, Paul George, Jrue, AD, DeMar, and Klay Thompson.

There's a decent amount.

These guys aren’t leaving California to come play on a comparable team in Philly, so I think five of those guys are extremely unrealistic. We aren’t signing Lebron. There is no chance he comes here. I am also pretty certain there is no chance Klay is coming here. AD isn’t leaving the Lakers to come here. I don’t think any of those guys are realistic. I think if Kawhi or George don’t pick up their player option, it will be because they are planning to re-sign in LA.

Even Jrue. I don’t see him leaving Giannis to come play here.

I think the only guy who would even consider Philly would be DeRozan, and I don’t think he is a max guy.

I would be shocked if anybody on that list, other than DeRozan, were to come here. It just seems extremely unrealistic to me. These are guys who wanted to play in California and forced their way to the Lakers and Clippers. Klay likely will stay with the Warriors.

I could possibly see some agents getting Morey to clear space to use us as leverage, but ultimately, other than DeRozan, they all stay put.

I believe you're right, and I also really hope so. There is no one on that list I would want here unless Kawhi could wind the clock back a few years. And I hope Morey isn't stupid and gullible enough to clear space expecting any of them to come here.

This whole idea of cap space having the single purpose of filling "max slots" really has to end. Doesn't anyone look around and see how the smaller market 'non-destination' teams are building now? Stop trying to compete with the LA's, Miami's, and NY's of the world and build something lasting from the ground up.

Agree. The front office's lust for "star hunting" the last 5 years has rubbed off on the fans now. There are plenty of uses for cap room and flexibility aside from just signing stars.

There will be mid-tier FAs available that can help the team build a deep, athletic roster around Embiid and Maxey. There will be trades available that teams with cap room can capitalize on. There will be sign and trades available using big expirings like Harris and Harden.

OPTIONALITY

[Arsenal]

It’s still very early, but part of me expects Embiid to request a trade this season. This Harden/Tobias situation is the final nail in the coffin.

Why are we delaying extending Maxey, not immediately matching Reed, letting young talent like Shake (meh) leave? What is the plan of this front office? What is the commitment to winning? Is there one? There’s really no telling with Morey. Wasting a year of Embiid’s prime just doesn’t work.

The Nurse hiring is good, but so far we’ve only signed players that will likely ride the bench.

We would be idiots to extend Maxey now considering we're targeting massive cap room in 2024. That would cost us $20-25M in cap room next summer.

[youngcrev]

Morey used to get a lot of credit for finding ways to stay under the tax during his tenure with Rockets under the cheap ownership of Tilman Fertitta. I'm guessing that was a big selling point for this current ownership group.

[mjkvol]

These guys aren’t leaving California to come play on a comparable team in Philly, so I think five of those guys are extremely unrealistic. We aren’t signing Lebron. There is no chance he comes here. I am also pretty certain there is no chance Klay is coming here. AD isn’t leaving the Lakers to come here. I don’t think any of those guys are realistic. I think if Kawhi or George don’t pick up their player option, it will be because they are planning to re-sign in LA.

Even Jrue. I don’t see him leaving Giannis to come play here.

I think the only guy who would even consider Philly would be DeRozan, and I don’t think he is a max guy.

I would be shocked if anybody on that list, other than DeRozan, were to come here. It just seems extremely unrealistic to me. These are guys who wanted to play in California and forced their way to the Lakers and Clippers. Klay likely will stay with the Warriors.

I could possibly see some agents getting Morey to clear space to use us as leverage, but ultimately, other than DeRozan, they all stay put.

I believe you're right, and I also really hope so. There is no one on that list I would want here unless Kawhi could wind the clock back a few years. And I hope Morey isn't stupid and gullible enough to clear space expecting any of them to come here.

This whole idea of cap space having the single purpose of filling "max slots" really has to end. Doesn't anyone look around and see how the smaller market 'non-destination' teams are building now? Stop trying to compete with the LA's, Miami's, and NY's of the world and build something lasting from the ground up.

Agree. The front office's lust for "star hunting" the last 5 years has rubbed off on the fans now. There are plenty of uses for cap room and flexibility aside from just signing stars.

There will be mid-tier FAs available that can help the team build a deep, athletic roster around Embiid and Maxey. There will be trades available that teams with cap room can capitalize on. There will be sign and trades available using big expirings like Harris and Harden.

OPTIONALITY

Exactly. It doesn't surprise me that casual fans would think only in terms of what 'stars' we can get, but that kind of shortsighted thinking among hard core fans quite frankly surprises me.

[eyeatoma]

Nobody

Except for LeBron, Kawhi, Paul George, Jrue, AD, DeMar, and Klay Thompson.

There's a decent amount.

These guys aren’t leaving California to come play on a comparable team in Philly, so I think five of those guys are extremely unrealistic. We aren’t signing Lebron. There is no chance he comes here. I am also pretty certain there is no chance Klay is coming here. AD isn’t leaving the Lakers to come here. I don’t think any of those guys are realistic. I think if Kawhi or George don’t pick up their player option, it will be because they are planning to re-sign in LA.

Even Jrue. I don’t see him leaving Giannis to come play here.

I think the only guy who would even consider Philly would be DeRozan, and I don’t think he is a max guy.

I would be shocked if anybody on that list, other than DeRozan, were to come here. It just seems extremely unrealistic to me. These are guys who wanted to play in California and forced their way to the Lakers and Clippers. Klay likely will stay with the Warriors.

I could possibly see some agents getting Morey to clear space to use us as leverage, but ultimately, other than DeRozan, they all stay put.

I agree, I think Morey is trying to convince Embiid about potential plans and this is one of them. I would rather just go for a Max FA who is not at the 10 year limit, and go ahead and sign Reed.

At this point, they should do the LaVine trade, or the Clippers trade and get started. Trade Harden, keep Tobis expiring, resign bball, use the trade assets to get some wings/forwards, or use the ones in the trade, and then have Maxey as the PG. Just get it done already, instead of this lame ass limbo. We're not kidding ourselves with running it back with far less depth. I'm just as puzzled as you guys. I'm not a proponent for letting Reed go to do this BS. I was just sharing why we might not sign Reed.

FAs don't come to Philly that are in the max category, unless you overpay them ala Tobi.

The fact that Morey is touted as this savant but lets this **** happens is riduculous. Also if I was Embiid I'd go to Harris and tell him to stop pussy footing with the money, and just get the players we need. Instead he goes and buys the Commanders and is penny pinching on this ****. FML.

[eyeatoma]

Except for LeBron, Kawhi, Paul George, Jrue, AD, DeMar, and Klay Thompson.

There's a decent amount.

These guys aren’t leaving California to come play on a comparable team in Philly, so I think five of those guys are extremely unrealistic. We aren’t signing Lebron. There is no chance he comes here. I am also pretty certain there is no chance Klay is coming here. AD isn’t leaving the Lakers to come here. I don’t think any of those guys are realistic. I think if Kawhi or George don’t pick up their player option, it will be because they are planning to re-sign in LA.

Even Jrue. I don’t see him leaving Giannis to come play here.

I think the only guy who would even consider Philly would be DeRozan, and I don’t think he is a max guy.

I would be shocked if anybody on that list, other than DeRozan, were to come here. It just seems extremely unrealistic to me. These are guys who wanted to play in California and forced their way to the Lakers and Clippers. Klay likely will stay with the Warriors.

I could possibly see some agents getting Morey to clear space to use us as leverage, but ultimately, other than DeRozan, they all stay put.

I believe you're right, and I also really hope so. There is no one on that list I would want here unless Kawhi could wind the clock back a few years. And I hope Morey isn't stupid and gullible enough to clear space expecting any of them to come here.

This whole idea of cap space having the single purpose of filling "max slots" really has to end. Doesn't anyone look around and see how the smaller market 'non-destination' teams are building now? Stop trying to compete with the LA's, Miami's, and NY's of the world and build something lasting from the ground up.

Yup this!

[ProcessDoctor]

I think instead of waiting for the free agents to come to them they should go out and trade for who they want. Between Harden, Harris, Melton, and/or a 1st they should be able to bring back a longer-term star and solid role players that are worth keeping around.

The two max slot nonsense needs to stop though, as we’ll only be able to afford Maxey, Embiid and one other star moving forwards anyways.

[rocketsfan100]

Kyle Nuebeck said harden situation has not changed and he still wants to be traded. Morey is playing the waiting game to get better offers. I think we will see a resolution by the end of this month. I highly doubt this drags on to September.

[ProcessDoctor]

Please turn Harden into Siakam and Harris into role players. Don’t waste a year of Embiids prime.

[Arsenal]

Kyle Nuebeck said harden situation has not changed and he still wants to be traded. Morey is playing the waiting game to get better offers. I think we will see a resolution by the end of this month. I highly doubt this drags on to September.

Teams need to come correct. Clippers think they can bend us over, but they should think again. We already saw how Morey dealt with a similar situation.

[Stanford]

I can only imagine the amount of tampering going on right now between the Knicks and Embiid.

Perfect fit too. Knicks fans are the only fanbase in the NBA who don't hate Embiid, for whatever reason. They love the guy.

Problem with a Knicks trade for us is that an Embiid-led team is not going to fail in the regular season unless he gets hurt, which he never seems to do. Their picks aren't going to be worth much. And they don't have anything else to trade.

[Stanford]

Don’t waste a year of Embiids prime.

Certainly not if the goal is to sign 34 year old Klay Thompson next summer.

[76ciology]

Were not wasting Embiid’s prime. Giannis and Jokic never had more talent than what Embiid had.