Lockout

[floppymoose]

Right, but they had the same BRI offer

Yes, they had the same BRI split. I'm not claiming the new deal is an improvement on BRI because it isn't. It's an improvement on the system issues.

[turk3d]

If I'm not mistaken (I think it was Fisher) Kessler came back and said it was 51% after Fisher (or whoever it was) had said that the players would accept 50 (probably thought he gave in too easily, and he might have saved them a % if it turns out to be in fact 51).

[floppymoose]

Took a long time to get them down from 52, and even in the last few meetings, Kessler was wanting 51 via speakerphone.

Right, I still think the new deal sucks for the players and that the owners are dancing. They got almost everything. That was the main reason I held the opinion that the players weren't going to get a worse deal by saying no. The owners are making out too well in this one to throw the season away.

[Twinkie defense]

The owners improved their offer. Everyone saying the players would have to settle for 47% BRI was wrong. It turns out calling the owners bluff was the right thing to do.

How do you figure? Owners had a 49-51% band on the table for a while. And as you have said, the bottom line is all about the BRI split.

The representatives for the players sure didn't look to happy with the deal.

[turk3d]

I'm sure there are a few owners who aren't too happy was well. That's what happens when you compromise which both sides have in order to get a deal done and to stop the bleeding on both sides (before someone bleeds to death).

[FNQ]

If I'm not mistaken (I think it was Fisher) Kessler came back and said it was 51% after Fisher (or whoever it was) had said that the players would accept 50 (probably thought he gave in too easily, and he might have saved them a % if it turns out to be in fact 51).

He tried via speakerphone. And then when he was out of the way, the deal got made. Quickly, too.

[FNQ]

Weird details about the max salaries:

Maximum salary: One player per team is eligible to receive a maximum salary worth 30 percent of the salary cap. Players with less than six years experience can receive maximum salary worth 25 percent of the cap.

So say you have two max-type players... whats the highest you can offer your 2nd guy?

[turk3d]

If I'm not mistaken (I think it was Fisher) Kessler came back and said it was 51% after Fisher (or whoever it was) had said that the players would accept 50 (probably thought he gave in too easily, and he might have saved them a % if it turns out to be in fact 51).

He tried via speakerphone. And then when he was out of the way, the deal got made. Quickly, too.

So do you know for a fact that it's 50/50? From what I'm seeing from most of the reports it's 49-51 whatever that means. Sounds like they may still be negotiating but that it's down to the last 1% and that's so minute (compared to where it was not too long ago) no one seems to be making a big deal out of it, especially they seem to be now focusing on system/B-List issues which I think have become more of the major concern. I do believe they are still negotiating and trying to iron out all of the remaining issues.

[FNQ]

So do you know for a fact that it's 50/50? From what I'm seeing from most of the reports it's 49-51 whatever that means. Sounds like they may still be negotiating but that it's down to the last 1% and that's so minute (compared to where it was not too long ago) no one seems to be making a big deal out of it, especially they seem to be now focusing on system/B-List issues which I think have become more of the major concern. I do believe they are still negotiating and trying to iron out all of the remaining issues.

The BRI is settled. It can be from 49 to 51% for the players, but it should remain closer to 50/50 than a slant in either direction. It depends on league revenue projections.

[floppymoose]

How do you figure? Owners had a 49-51% band on the table for a while. And as you have said, the bottom line is all about the BRI split.

I addressed this above. BRI is not what was improved.

The representatives for the players sure didn't look to happy with the deal.

Nor should they be. Owners should be dancing.

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