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Post#1481 » by RRyder823 » Mon Aug 7, 2017 6:13 pm

emunney wrote:Can you explain why you want to see Ghost so badly?

A: Jon Snow is my favorite character and Ghost is supposed to be his companion

B: The Dire Wolves are bad ass and haven't gotten nearly enough shine because they've decided all the CGI budget needs to go to the Dragons to show them every episode.

C: At least in the books the Direwolves are characters in their own right but the show has regulated them to after thoughts. No Grey Wind with Rob in battle or taking out Freys before getting taken down at the Red Wedding, only just a hint at Nymeria super pack that will now probably be forgotten about in the show and now no Ghost in going on two years. The Dire Wolves deserve better

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Post#1482 » by emunney » Mon Aug 7, 2017 6:21 pm

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emunney wrote:Can you explain why you want to see Ghost so badly?

A: Jon Snow is my favorite character and Ghost is supposed to be his companion

B: The Dire Wolves are bad ass and haven't gotten nearly enough shine because they've decided all the CGI budget needs to go to the Dragons to show them every episode.

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The dragons are very important, though.
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Post#1483 » by RRyder823 » Mon Aug 7, 2017 7:03 pm

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RRyder823 wrote:
emunney wrote:Can you explain why you want to see Ghost so badly?

A: Jon Snow is my favorite character and Ghost is supposed to be his companion

B: The Dire Wolves are bad ass and haven't gotten nearly enough shine because they've decided all the CGI budget needs to go to the Dragons to show them every episode.

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The dragons are very important, though.

I edited my post on to show the importance of the Dire Wolves (at least in the books). There's also a nice balance between to the Dire Wolves and each Stark child.

Probably a little too late before your reply though.

Dragons are cool and all. But not at the complete and utter disregard for the Dire Wolves imo which seems to be the shows route

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Post#1484 » by emunney » Mon Aug 7, 2017 7:18 pm

The dragons aren't just "cool", though, they're a superweapon. They're globally important in a way that the direwolves could never be. So if showing the dragons means you can't show the direwolves, then of course you're not going to show the direwolves. They're relatively inconsequential, even from what you described about the books.
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Post#1485 » by RRyder823 » Mon Aug 7, 2017 7:58 pm

emunney wrote:The dragons aren't just "cool", though, they're a superweapon. They're globally important in a way that the direwolves could never be. So if showing the dragons means you can't show the direwolves, then of course you're not going to show the direwolves. They're relatively inconsequential, even from what you described about the books.


I won't argue the importance of the dragons in relation to the Direwolves. They are more impotant. However feeling the need to show them as much as they have been is overkill when it's at the expense of the wolves is where I dissagree. They didn't need to show them in every episode this season. They did it precisely because dragons sell. Have one without them and add Ghost. Boom problem sloved

Arguing one is more important so the other can be cut out isn't a good idea.

It's also not just because of the Dragons Ghost has been cut out. The show runners have shown a complete disregard for showing them at all lately even when the episode had the budget for it in light of going other routes. (I loved one one in battle of the bastards but I also would've liked to see Ghost **** **** up too just as an example)

I love the show but this is definitely an area they should improve in



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Post#1486 » by Ron Swanson » Mon Aug 7, 2017 8:01 pm

I have a hard time believing that a show with the kind of "budget" that they have is skimping on the CGI costs for a few giant wolf scenes. Most likely that they're trying to cram so much into these last two seasons that they just haven't had enough screen time to justify putting them in there. I'd bet money on Nymeria coming back and saving Arya in some way in the final season.
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Post#1487 » by DingleJerry » Mon Aug 7, 2017 8:16 pm

Yea there was a reason they showed Arya's wolf again, has to come back into play. I guess I get the original person's point, Jon's and other's wolves have shown up here and there to make a key kill/save for them when needed but otherwise are just kind of forgotten. Like, why couldn't the wolf just be kind of hanging Jon's side once in a while. Couldn't cost too much. But yea I think it's just them deciding they're not critical to the endgame story and cutting things out for simplification moreso than cost.

Plus, you already have the visions with Bran, the face changing with Arya so maybe they're just trying to reduce the fantasy elements around the starks a bit
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Post#1488 » by RRyder823 » Mon Aug 7, 2017 8:48 pm

DingleJerry wrote:Yea there was a reason they showed Arya's wolf again, has to come back into play. I guess I get the original person's point, Jon's and other's wolves have shown up here and there to make a key kill/save for them when needed but otherwise are just kind of forgotten. Like, why couldn't the wolf just be kind of hanging Jon's side once in a while. Couldn't cost too much. But yea I think it's just them deciding they're not critical to the endgame story and cutting things out for simplification moreso than cost.

Plus, you already have the visions with Bran, the face changing with Arya so maybe they're just trying to reduce the fantasy elements around the starks a bit

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Well they did cut out all of them being Wargs allready


I get both cost and simplification. All I'm saying is the Wolves should get more then one 5 minute scene per season when the dragons get highlighted all the time even when they aren't especially needed.

Just a personal nitpick of mine on the show.



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Post#1489 » by thomchatt3rton » Mon Aug 7, 2017 9:14 pm

IrishRainbow wrote:I honestly can't envision a King adaptation that was better than the book. It? Shining? Those are the only ones I can maybe see an argument. Reading 11.22.63 now. Heard that was a decent production. Hulu?
Need to finish the Tower series before viewing.


The Shining is one of the few movie adaptations that's superior to it's source material- which probably explains why King hated it so much (but was totally cool with every other crappy movie version of his stuff).

I actually think the recent MIst movie (frank darabont) was maybe not definitely better than the story, but it was good enough that someone could very reasonably prefer either one. The different ending alone is worth the price of admission.

Speaking of adaptations in general, I think the GOT show was very much superior to the books (at least through season 4, which is when I stopped watching).

My recollection of the books is that they were a good 40% aimless meandering. Maybe more even.
Luckily, the time constraints of a TV show don't allow for that kind of thing, so all the stuff that Martin could have and should have cut himself while rewriting is neatly cut out for the adaptation, and the show is much better for it.
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Post#1490 » by humanrefutation » Mon Aug 7, 2017 11:53 pm

I'm sure the direwolves will reappear in a meaningful way again. You might even see some return as undead direwolves.

But as for the dragons...
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What is the feeling on the use of the ballista? Obviously, it didn't take out Drogon, but it looks like it hurt him. I imagine it might have killed him if it hit him in the chest, though I'm guessing his skin is tougher and thicker there than it is on his wings.

I can't imagine Qyburn only built one of them. If he built dozens of them, is that enough of a deterrent for the three dragons?


And on the gold...

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I was under the impression that the gold was captured/melted by Dany's troops. I thought they foreshadowed that a bit with the Bravosi telling Cersei that they'll back the Lannisters "as soon as they get the gold, of course" (or something like that).

A few people online have said that when Tarly told Jamie that the gold had reached Kings Landing, that meant it got to Cersei. I thought he meant that they had successfully unloaded the ships and crossed into Kings Landing, but that it was still in the Caravan that was marching towards the city.

What's the answer there?
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Post#1491 » by RRyder823 » Mon Aug 7, 2017 11:58 pm

humanrefutation wrote:I'm sure the direwolves will reappear in a meaningful way again. You might even see some return as undead direwolves.

But as for the dragons...
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What is the feeling on the use of the ballista? Obviously, it didn't take out Drogon, but it looks like it hurt him. I imagine it might have killed him if it hit him in the chest, though I'm guessing his skin is tougher and thicker there than it is on his wings.

I can't imagine Qyburn only built one of them. If he built dozens of them, is that enough of a deterrent for the three dragons?


And on the gold...

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I was under the impression that the gold was captured/melted by Dany's troops. I thought they foreshadowed that a bit with the Bravosi telling Cersei that they'll back the Lannisters "as soon as they get the gold, of course" (or something like that).

A few people online have said that when Tarly told Jamie that the gold had reached Kings Landing, that meant it got to Cersei. I thought he meant that they had successfully unloaded the ships and crossed into Kings Landing, but that it was still in the Caravan that was marching towards the city.

What's the answer there?


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My issue with the batista was that Bron was able to reload and wind it up in like 30 seconds by himself.

But if Euron can build 1000 ships allready I guess I gotta deal.




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Post#1492 » by El Duderino » Tue Aug 8, 2017 12:41 am

RRyder823 wrote:;

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My issue with the batista was that Bron was able to reload and wind it up in like 30 seconds by himself.

But if Euron can build 1000 ships allready I guess I gotta deal.


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And Jaime managed to be sitting on his white horse for quite awhile all by himself and no Dothraki seem interested in attacking him before he decides to go after Daenerys. Gotta suspend belief on lots of fronts when watching this show.
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Post#1493 » by Serge28 » Tue Aug 8, 2017 1:44 am

humanrefutation wrote:And on the gold...

Spoiler:
I was under the impression that the gold was captured/melted by Dany's troops. I thought they foreshadowed that a bit with the Bravosi telling Cersei that they'll back the Lannisters "as soon as they get the gold, of course" (or something like that).

A few people online have said that when Tarly told Jamie that the gold had reached Kings Landing, that meant it got to Cersei. I thought he meant that they had successfully unloaded the ships and crossed into Kings Landing, but that it was still in the Caravan that was marching towards the city.

What's the answer there?


Spoiler:
"All the gold is safely through the gates of King's Landing" - 36:10 into the episode.
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Post#1494 » by emunney » Tue Aug 8, 2017 1:59 am

Serge28 wrote:
humanrefutation wrote:And on the gold...

Spoiler:
I was under the impression that the gold was captured/melted by Dany's troops. I thought they foreshadowed that a bit with the Bravosi telling Cersei that they'll back the Lannisters "as soon as they get the gold, of course" (or something like that).

A few people online have said that when Tarly told Jamie that the gold had reached Kings Landing, that meant it got to Cersei. I thought he meant that they had successfully unloaded the ships and crossed into Kings Landing, but that it was still in the Caravan that was marching towards the city.

What's the answer there?


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"All the gold is safely through the gates of King's Landing" - 36:10 into the episode.


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Still have to wonder if the whole army being destroyed by one of three dragons thing puts a damper on the Iron Bank's enthusiasm.
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Post#1495 » by humanrefutation » Tue Aug 8, 2017 2:04 am

Serge28 wrote:
humanrefutation wrote:And on the gold...

Spoiler:
I was under the impression that the gold was captured/melted by Dany's troops. I thought they foreshadowed that a bit with the Bravosi telling Cersei that they'll back the Lannisters "as soon as they get the gold, of course" (or something like that).

A few people online have said that when Tarly told Jamie that the gold had reached Kings Landing, that meant it got to Cersei. I thought he meant that they had successfully unloaded the ships and crossed into Kings Landing, but that it was still in the Caravan that was marching towards the city.

What's the answer there?


Spoiler:
"All the gold is safely through the gates of King's Landing" - 36:10 into the episode.
Spoiler:
Ah, that specification does lend itself to the notion that it got to Cersei, and the Iron Bank. Thanks for the clarification.
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Post#1496 » by Turk Nowitzki » Tue Aug 8, 2017 2:11 am

Why are we still putting everything in spoiler tags?
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Post#1497 » by trwi7 » Tue Aug 8, 2017 2:22 am

Turk Nowitzki wrote:Why are we still putting everything in spoiler tags?


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Post#1498 » by dogswithbeesintheirmouths » Tue Aug 8, 2017 2:42 am

humanrefutation wrote:And on the gold...

Spoiler:
I was under the impression that the gold was captured/melted by Dany's troops. I thought they foreshadowed that a bit with the Bravosi telling Cersei that they'll back the Lannisters "as soon as they get the gold, of course" (or something like that).

A few people online have said that when Tarly told Jamie that the gold had reached Kings Landing, that meant it got to Cersei. I thought he meant that they had successfully unloaded the ships and crossed into Kings Landing, but that it was still in the Caravan that was marching towards the city.

What's the answer there?


Spoiler:
The gold was ahead of the rest of the caravan and did make it into Kings Landing. The earlier dialog about food taking some effort to acquire is the explanation for this.

It is confusing since the first scene with the Lannister army they were still at Highgarden, but the battle scene takes place weeks later and they had gone back across the continent. The only way to know this is that when Tarley talks about the gold, he also says their location is on the other side of a river (Blackwater whatever) which would put them in Kings landing when they cross it.
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Post#1499 » by El Duderino » Tue Aug 8, 2017 3:06 am

Turk Nowitzki wrote:Why are we still putting everything in spoiler tags?


I don't get it either. If a show or movie is being discussed which i intend to watch and i see that details may being discussed, i'd simply scroll past those posts.

For a show as popular as GOT though and if i hadn't watched the latest episode yet, i'd avoid discussions of it until i watched it and wouldn't expect those who have to avoid discussing any details of it.

It's almost akin to a Bucks game. If for whatever reason i wasn't able to watch a Bucks game live and I intended to watch it later or the next day on my DVR, but then came on here before watching it, i wouldn't expect posters to post in spoilers so that i didn't know what happened before i actually watched the game.
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Post#1500 » by jute2003 » Tue Aug 8, 2017 3:14 am

I wasn't able to watch until tonight so I appreciated the spoiler tags.

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