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Re: 2017 Nets Offseason Thread III 

Post#1481 » by Papi_swav » Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:41 pm

Ahh man was hoping Archie made the cut, really love his game :x

Vae Victus wrote:I'm still holding out hope for a Booker + SKil for S&T JaMychal Green at a reasonable price. Booker and SKil are basically 3rd string with the way the roster is, if Marks can convert them into a solid stretch 4 in Green... that'd be amazing. Truly we'd have shooting 1-4 and will make it RAIN.

I was thinking the same thing, Grizzlies can definitely use Booker and Skil's 3 point shooting. Green is a much better fit here than Booker is. Just hope we don't give him a crazy contract. 2/26 or 3/40 works for me.
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Post#1482 » by Claud » Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:13 pm

Depth chart Nets 17/18

Lin-Dinwiddie-Yakuba
Russell-IW-SK
Crabbe-Levert-Harris
RHJ-DC-Acy
Mozgov-Booker-Allen
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Post#1483 » by Sleepyazn » Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:20 pm

Claud wrote:Depth chart Nets 17/18

Lin-Dinwiddie-Yakuba
Russell-IW-SK
Crabbe-Levert-Harris
RHJ-DC-Acy
Mozgov-Booker-Allen


Yakuba is a 2 guard
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Re: 2017 Nets Offseason Thread III 

Post#1484 » by Claud » Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:21 pm

Sleepyazn wrote:
Claud wrote:Depth chart Nets 17/18

Lin-Dinwiddie-Yakuba
Russell-IW-SK
Crabbe-Levert-Harris
RHJ-DC-Acy
Mozgov-Booker-Allen


Yakuba is a 2 guard


Combo
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Re: 2017 Nets Offseason Thread III 

Post#1485 » by Sleepyazn » Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:26 pm

Claud wrote:
Sleepyazn wrote:
Claud wrote:Depth chart Nets 17/18

Lin-Dinwiddie-Yakuba
Russell-IW-SK
Crabbe-Levert-Harris
RHJ-DC-Acy
Mozgov-Booker-Allen


Yakuba is a 2 guard


Combo


the dude with a 6% assist rate is a combo guard....okay then
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Post#1486 » by Ror1997 » Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:29 pm

I don't see him as a combo guard. I would keep him at SG, but if anything, He's more of a swingman than combo guard. Just my opinion tho.
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Post#1487 » by jtsmith » Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:45 pm

yakuba is on a 2-way so can only spend 45 days with the Nets. I think him and Wiley will spend most of their time in the G.
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Post#1488 » by playteamball » Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:51 pm

Perhaps Russell will play PG when Lin sits so the Nets wouldn't need a third PG. Too bad for Goodwin. I liked him, especially his athleticism and defense.
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Post#1489 » by Paradise » Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:06 pm

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Post#1490 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:21 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:I would throw a big deal at Jabari Parker.

I think hes the best fit. And I think hes pretty expandable on the Bucks.


This. I would even go so far as trading the bucks Lin, Booker and all our 2nds in salary dump with Parker as our incentive (Henson? Teletovic? Both?).
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Post#1491 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:23 pm

jtsmith wrote:yakuba is on a 2-way so can only spend 45 days with the Nets. I think him and Wiley will spend most of their time in the G.


This. Idk why people keep writing line ups and rotations like he's actually part of the 15 man roster.
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Post#1492 » by Keith Van Horn » Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:32 pm

is there rumblings that the Bucks are going to pull the plug on Jabari Parker already?
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Post#1493 » by LostInACrowd » Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:36 pm

playteamball wrote:Perhaps Russell will play PG when Lin sits so the Nets wouldn't need a third PG. Too bad for Goodwin. I liked him, especially his athleticism and defense.

Dinwiddie is the third PG. He was ahead of Goodwin.
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Post#1494 » by Ror1997 » Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:38 pm

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jtsmith wrote:yakuba is on a 2-way so can only spend 45 days with the Nets. I think him and Wiley will spend most of their time in the G.


This. Idk why people keep writing line ups and rotations like he's actually part of the 15 man roster.


Because alot of people expect him to make the team from training camp, and there's no real obstacles in the way of signing him to a full deal after the 45 days.

I don't think a 2 way contract should restrict where you rank a player on the depth chart. If you believe He's a good player, you in turn believe he'll earn PT and eventually a full nba deal.
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Re: 2017 Nets Offseason Thread III 

Post#1495 » by Netaman » Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:46 pm

Keith Van Horn wrote:is there rumblings that the Bucks are going to pull the plug on Jabari Parker already?


Don't think so, in fact getting ready to resign him is probably why they are looking to start dumping contracts now. But he's recovering from an ACL and it would put them in a tight position max'ing 2 players. Along with Middleton, Snell, Henson and Delladova all making good $ for 3 more years. Similar position to Washington when we offered Porter.
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Post#1496 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:50 pm

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jtsmith wrote:yakuba is on a 2-way so can only spend 45 days with the Nets. I think him and Wiley will spend most of their time in the G.


This. Idk why people keep writing line ups and rotations like he's actually part of the 15 man roster.


Because alot of people expect him to make the team from training camp, and there's no real obstacles in the way of signing him to a full deal after the 45 days.

I don't think a 2 way contract should restrict where you rank a player on the depth chart. If you believe He's a good player, you in turn believe he'll earn PT and eventually a full nba deal.


I disagree. He will spend the vast majority of time in the D-League as his contract states and there will be a 15th player signed which is why I think its illogical to list him as the 15th man in the rotation, especially after we just cut a guard because of crowding at the positions.
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Post#1497 » by NyCeEvO » Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:52 pm

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NyCeEvO wrote:I wonder if this is the reported big man move that we've been hearing rumors about.

The guy said this guy is entering his prime. The one that makes sense is green. I'm betting it's booker and whitehead

I'd prefer it to be Skil, Goodwin instead.


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I don't. Just because he's young doesn't mean that he possesses the skill to become better than Kilpatrick. For as much of a turnstile that Skil can be plenty of times, he has legit microwave ability. It was when Kenny was allowing him to expand his game by running the point that he was almost unbearable. Once he went back to SG (and took a few games to get back to his normal self) he was fine again.

A lot of players possess athleticism but never put it together to make it work on the NBA level. Archie did not demonstrate much improvement during the time that he was here. I wish him all the best and I really hope that he can improve his game in the long run but he needs to really learn either how to run an offense or how to become a slasher. I don't think he even knows what niche he has. Once he establishes a solid foundation and skill that makes him employable, he can grow from there and become an NBA player again. I hope to see him again in the league soon. Maybe another team can take flyer on him so he can spend another year in developing.
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Re: 2017 Nets Offseason Thread III 

Post#1498 » by NyCeEvO » Sat Jul 29, 2017 12:33 am

Vae Victus wrote:I'm still holding out hope for a Booker + SKil for S&T JaMychal Green at a reasonable price. Booker and SKil are basically 3rd string with the way the roster is, if Marks can convert them into a solid stretch 4 in Green... that'd be amazing. Truly we'd have shooting 1-4 and will make it RAIN.

If we're combining Booker and Skil that would mean that we'd want to give Green at least 10+mil/yr. Maybe over a 2yr deal that's fine but he's not a guy I'd want filling out my cap space with when I'd only have about $8mil (incl. Foye cap hold) before trading subtracting Booker and Skil's salaries.

As the cap space decreases, your usage of it becomes more important. I wouldn't want to take myself out of the running for someone like Parker or maybe even Gordon because I gave Green a 10mil/season deal and no longer have the room for their RFA max contract.

Additionally, I'm ok with losing Booker. He's a high character player who brings energy but he's not overly effective at any particular thing on the court. But Skil is actually a pretty good shooter. I understand that we'd gain a nice stretch 4 with Green but we'd also be losing a microwave scorer. I think Skil stays unless he's replaced by an equally (or potentially equally) good shooter
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Re: 2017 Nets Offseason Thread III 

Post#1499 » by NyCeEvO » Sat Jul 29, 2017 12:40 am

Vae Victus wrote:
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Vae Victus wrote:I'm still holding out hope for a Booker + SKil for S&T JaMychal Green at a reasonable price. Booker and SKil are basically 3rd string with the way the roster is, if Marks can convert them into a solid stretch 4 in Green... that'd be amazing. Truly we'd have shooting 1-4 and will make it RAIN.


If they're gonna block up a big chunk of their cap room going forward, I think it would have to be for a better player than Green.


Point.

However even assuming best absolute case scenario (with no Green S&T). Linsanity 2.0, DLo RIZING, youth has all taken a big step, Carroll/Mozgov rebound to past glory, and Coach Kenny learning some slick moves, thats still what? 46 wins tops?

Assume Lin opts out cuz he wants to get deservedly paid after a Linsane year, that leaves the team with a max slot i believe. DLo/Crabbe/Mozgov are holding down the 1/2/5 starting slots for sure. Carroll still has 1 more year at pretty high money and can start either 3/4.

What major impact FA do you think will want to come? The upcoming crop doesnt look good unless all the potential FAs dont activate their player options. Would a LBJ, PG13, Westbrook type player want to come join an up and coming team, but without the ability to bring a super buddy, or more importantly be good enough to challenge GSW? Are any of the obtainable RFAs worth pursuing? I mean sure i'd throw a huge offer at Embiid if he proves to be healthy and dominant but thats an easy match for PHI, or is Jabari and Wiggins even worth going after for mega bux?

The only value of capspace next year is to play the eat a bad deal for picks game or play trade faciliator for assets middleman. I think if the team gets good theyre just not gonna bother with that game anymore and just look to make moves to get better.

Assume worst case scenario where Lin tears his hammy, DLo never improves, the kids bust, the old vets stay sucky, the team straggles to another 20 win season. Cap space wont do much in getting FAs, but at least now u have Carroll as a huge expiring to play with, and one can resume playing the cap absorb games, but at that point at least the team has its picks back. I guess going all in on tanking is the natural move.

I just dont think a 2+1 Green deal will affect plans much, but i think he can definitely help the team out with his skillset. I mean also at this point his deal is prolly be around the 8 mil range, so in my proposed deal they ge ta nice PF replacement and dirt cheap scoring guard depth for free.

It's not just unrestricted FAs or even RFAs.

With fewer teams having any cap space to spend at all next offseason, other teams who want to get better (but don't have the money to sign a player) could trade one of their players along with a minor asset in a financially imbalanced trade with us being under the salary floor. This is literally what happened with the DLo trade.

There's no point going after Embiid or Wiggins, but Jabari could definitely be someone that the Bucks may decide to pass on so that they can take on a player with a better health record and/or keep their team salary down until Giannis gets his max deal.
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Re: 2017 Nets Offseason Thread III 

Post#1500 » by NyCeEvO » Sat Jul 29, 2017 12:43 am

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
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Could very well have been Archie's camp that requested the release. Archie asked for a trade back in Phoenix. He probably See's that there's too many guys here and he won't have the same opportunities to prove himself as he would elsewhere.


If Archie and his camp requested the waiver - probably pushed their luck one too many times. Archie's headed overseas in all likelihood. And for every Shane Larkin or Michael Beasley there are 20 other guys that never make it back to the NBA.

Wish Archie future success.


Yeah I agree.

There is no way Archie requested to be released. Unlikely that any other team will pick him up.

I too am puzzled why we would choose to release him instead of Foye considering how terrible he was for us last season.

Hoping we end up waiving Foye anyway.

Foye is gone. We just have his cap hold on the books.

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