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ATL: The 2018 NFL Offseason - DeMarco Murray Retires (pg 86)

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Re: RE: Re: ATL: Bucs Acquire Jason Pierre-Paul (pg 74) 

Post#1481 » by humanrefutation » Sun Mar 25, 2018 3:45 am

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WRau1 wrote:The worst part about Bennett is that he is single handedly setting back all positive traction other NFL players have made the past two seasons. You can't be a vocal spokesperson for change while being a POS human being in the public's eye.


Honestly, I don't think anyone who sincerely responded positively to the advocacy of the players is going to change their mind about it because of their views about the Bennetts. How could you, logically? What, you're now opposed to the causes these players spoke out for because you don't like one or two of the spokespeople? How sincere was your support to begin with? The causes were always so much bigger than these guys.

As for this specific situation, I'm gonna wait until the rest of the facts come out because the narrative being peddled by Houston PD is suspect on multiple fronts. I feel terrible about the elderly person who got injured, and I believe they deserve justice, but I'm not condemning anyone until the full facts are released.


Come on. If someone is the face of a movement or product and they end up in scandal, it takes away from what they were attached to. Bennett has been right up there with Kaep, he was the vocal head for change. It absolutely takes away from the message if the person delivering it is a fraud.

Not if you believe in the message. The message is what ultimately matters. The movement he was advocating for is so much bigger than a couple NFL players. It transcends the sport. It's a national message being spoken by many prominent voices, the vast majority of whom have nothing to do with the sport itself.

I'm not saying that his personal credibility isn't at stake, because it is. It may impact how much stake people put in his personal point of view, but he does not have the single-handed power to set back a national movement. No single person does, IMO.
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Re: ATL: Burnett to the Steelers (pg 72) 

Post#1482 » by raysbookclub » Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:14 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:You let the new DC pick what guys he thinks works best for his defense. I honestly don't get why anyone is surprised by this. Randall, Burnett, likely House. Scheme and fit matter just as much as talent in the NFL. Pettine likely didn't/doesn't see any of those guys working in the scheme he's trying to install.

This is also the price of being active in free agency. So many people want to have their cake and eat it too, but don't realize that you have to cut costs elsewhere when you hand out $16 mil annually between Graham and Wilkerson. If you can't replace what Burnett brought (mediocrity), then we have bigger problems.


Agree, but in Randall and Burnett's cases, doesn't seem like fit was that significant. I think Randall is gone because he was immature and undependable and not a good teammate. And Burnett's gone probably because the Packers drafted Josh Jones in the second round last year, plus have Brice and Evans, and don't give a lot of 3rd contracts.
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Re: ATL: Bucs Acquire Jason Pierre-Paul (pg 74) 

Post#1483 » by humanrefutation » Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:41 pm

Looks like the Jets withdrew their offer to Suh. I wonder if they got annoyed that he spilled their offer to the press.
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Re: RE: Re: ATL: Bucs Acquire Jason Pierre-Paul (pg 74) 

Post#1484 » by IrishRainbow » Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:37 pm

humanrefutation wrote:Looks like the Jets withdrew their offer to Suh. I wonder if they got annoyed that he spilled their offer to the press.
I would hope that it was more than that. If he's your guy at the number you felt comfortable to pony, can't see a loose lip negating that. Seems like maybe they felt it was above acceptable with maybe the % overpay to induce a quick sign so they could move on without the waiting games. Some people, myself included, will propose a take it or leave it quote...if you don't take the pen and sign then and there, don't let the door hit ya. Or they didn't initially assess his market value correct in the first place and reconsidered after the fact. Seems like it would have to more than a leak, that probably works its way out in some fashion regardless, from his camp that would be the tipping weight. But whatevs.

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Re: RE: Re: ATL: Bucs Acquire Jason Pierre-Paul (pg 74) 

Post#1485 » by humanrefutation » Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:44 pm

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humanrefutation wrote:Looks like the Jets withdrew their offer to Suh. I wonder if they got annoyed that he spilled their offer to the press.
I would hope that it was more than that. If he's your guy at the number you felt comfortable to pony, can't see a loose lip negating that. Seems like maybe they felt it was above acceptable with maybe the % overpay to induce a quick sign so they could move on without the waiting games. Some people, myself included, will propose a take it or leave it quote...if you don't take the pen and sign then and there, don't let the door hit ya. Or they didn't initially assess his market value correct in the first place and reconsidered after the fact. Seems like it would have to more than a leak, that probably works its way out in some fashion regardless, from his camp that would be the tipping weight. But whatevs.

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I guess my thought is that the Jets believe Suh leaked their offer to drum up interest elsewhere. They didn't want to be used for leverage, so they withdrew their offer.
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Re: ATL: Bucs Acquire Jason Pierre-Paul (pg 74) 

Post#1486 » by Balls2TheWalls » Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:05 pm

It makes sense to not want to play for the Jets. They have been an absolute dumpster fire. The other teams he wants to play for don't have the cap space to keep up with the Jets. There is no way he didn't leak this to goose a bidding war for his services. Suh is a turd.
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Re: ATL: Bucs Acquire Jason Pierre-Paul (pg 74) 

Post#1487 » by WRau1 » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:28 pm

Is the OBJ to the Browns stuff legit?
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Re: ATL: Bucs Acquire Jason Pierre-Paul (pg 74) 

Post#1488 » by bizarro » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:58 pm

WRau1 wrote:Is the OBJ to the Browns stuff legit?


It is definitely a possibility. Gettleman and Dorsey met one on one, apparently, at the ongoing NFL meetings.
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Re: ATL: Bucs Acquire Jason Pierre-Paul (pg 74) 

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Re: RE: Re: ATL: Bucs Acquire Jason Pierre-Paul (pg 74) 

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Re: ATL: OBJ Being Shopped? (pg 75) 

Post#1491 » by WRau1 » Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:33 pm

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Re: ATL: OBJ Being Shopped? (pg 75) 

Post#1492 » by neiLz » Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:54 pm

Suh to Rams.
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Re: ATL: OBJ Being Shopped? (pg 75) 

Post#1493 » by BUCKnation » Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:42 pm

Rams are going to be interesting to follow to see how they manage all of these guys. Moreso if they get OBJ.
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Re: ATL: OBJ Being Shopped? (pg 75) 

Post#1494 » by humanrefutation » Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:23 am

BUCKnation wrote:Rams are going to be interesting to follow to see how they manage all of these guys. Moreso if they get OBJ.


They are definitely trying to capture the interest of LA with all of these big name acquisitions.
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Re: ATL: OBJ Being Shopped? (pg 75) 

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Re: ATL: OBJ Being Shopped? (pg 75) 

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Re: ATL: OBJ Being Shopped? (pg 75) 

Post#1497 » by Wisky4life » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:33 pm

IMO, I believe there are 2 teams that screwed up this off season.

Broncos and NY Giants

Broncos should have traded for Eli Manning while the Giants got a 1st or 2nd round pick in return.
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Re: ATL: OBJ Being Shopped? (pg 75) 

Post#1498 » by ReasonablySober » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:49 pm

Wisky4life wrote:IMO, I believe there are 2 teams that screwed up this off season.

Broncos and NY Giants

Broncos should have traded for Eli Manning while the Giants got a 1st or 2nd round pick in return.


I don't think Manning gets you anything better than a 7th at this point.
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Re: ATL: OBJ Being Shopped? (pg 75) 

Post#1499 » by JEIS » Tue Mar 27, 2018 2:46 pm

Throw half our draft at the falcons for Julio Jones and see if you can get him.
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