Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI

[Illmatic12]

Wall to PHX for Elie Okobo, Josh Jackson, and their 2019 first-round pick.

That would give us a quick retool.

I’d possibly accompany that with a Porter trade, but only if it fetched the right player.

Thanks for a laugh! The Suns wouldn't trade Ryan Anderson for John Wall straight up. Wall is your problem. No one is taking that cancer with his ridiculous contract off you hands for free.

You’re seriously coming on the Wizards forum to call Wall a cancer ? Come on . We have a thread for trash talk from opposing fans , keep that nonsense out of this one.

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They should have drafted Omari Spellman.

No. The Wizards should have traded our #15 to the Hawks for their #s19 & 34. Take:

Kevin Huerter (#19) (or, if he was gone, Troy Brown Jr. -- to avoid a dispute here)
Mitchell Robinson (#34)
Hamidou Diallo (#44).

If the Hawks didn't like that trade, the Wizards should have traded our #15 to the Sixers for their #s 26 & 38. Take:

Omari Spellman (#26)
Hamidou Diallo (#38)
whoever you like @ #44 -- how about Allonzo Trier?

...Then, do not trade Gortat for Rivers, & do not sign Jeff Green -- sign Omri Casspi instead (for 2 years at slightly above vet min -- which is what he's getting from Memphis).

Some enormous steps towards rebuilding the team at essentially no cost.

[Sactowndog]

I’m really interested if the Wiz are going to do nothing and be faced with matching an offer for Oubre they can’t afford. The Kings are desperate for a starting 3 and have tons of cap space. They aren’t likely to get: Durant, Butler, Leonard, Harris, Middleton. Assuming all those are out of play, Oubre starts to be a target for an overpay.

What can the Kings offer? Taking Ian contract?

Followed by:
WAS gets: S. Hill, W. Johnson, 2019 2nd rd pick
NOP gets: K. Oubre, I. Mahinmi

This is mostly a salary dump of Ian's last year, and I really don't see a big need to re-sign Kelly next year. Cut Randall and Johnson/Hill
Roster:
Sato/Okobo
Beal/Rivers/Hill
Porter/Brown
Morris/Anderson/Green
Howard/Holmes/Bryant

I'd still be looking for ways to get any picks for Howard and Morris.

I would do it if I was the Pels

I wasn’t necessarily saying they should deal with the Kings. Just that it would seem they have to do something.

[payitforward]

Wall to PHX for Elie Okobo, Josh Jackson, and their 2019 first-round pick.

That would give us a quick retool.

I’d possibly accompany that with a Porter trade, but only if it fetched the right player.

Thanks for a laugh! The Suns wouldn't trade Ryan Anderson for John Wall straight up. Wall is your problem. No one is taking that cancer with his ridiculous contract off you hands for free.

You’re seriously coming on the Wizards forum to call Wall a cancer ? Come on . We have a thread for trash talk from opposing fans , keep that nonsense out of this one.

Leaving the word "cancer" aside, the guy is pointing to Wall's contract as a problem -- which it is. Moreover, on the same page of the same thread we have fans of three more teams also suggesting that these trade ideas aren't realistic.

Got to be something to learn there.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

They should have drafted Omari Spellman.

No. The Wizards should have traded our #15 to the Hawks for their #s19 & 34. Take:

Kevin Huerter (#19) (or, if he was gone, Troy Brown Jr. -- to avoid a dispute here)
Mitchell Robinson (#34)
Hamidou Diallo (#44).

If the Hawks didn't like that trade, the Wizards should have traded our #15 to the Sixers for their #s 26 & 38. Take:

Omari Spellman (#26)
Hamidou Diallo (#38)
whoever you like @ #44 -- how about Allonzo Trier?

...Then, do not trade Gortat for Rivers, & do not sign Jeff Green -- sign Omri Casspi instead (for 2 years at slightly above vet min -- which is what he's getting from Memphis).

Some enormous steps towards rebuilding the team at essentially no cost.

Yeah, I like yours better, PIF.

Huerter is already showing signs of becoming a ten-year pro. Solid, future starter or sixth man type.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Thanks for a laugh! The Suns wouldn't trade Ryan Anderson for John Wall straight up. Wall is your problem. No one is taking that cancer with his ridiculous contract off you hands for free.

You’re seriously coming on the Wizards forum to call Wall a cancer ? Come on . We have a thread for trash talk from opposing fans , keep that nonsense out of this one.

Leaving the word "cancer" aside, the guy is pointing to Wall's contract as a problem -- which it is. Moreover, on the same page of the same thread we have fans of three more teams also suggesting that these trade ideas aren't realistic.

Got to be something to learn there.

Mahinmi, Smith, Rivers, Howard...THOSE are the bad contracts IMO.

Morris is worth his deal (never mind the pick he cost). Green is worth his deal also.


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[pcbothwel]

You’re seriously coming on the Wizards forum to call Wall a cancer ? Come on . We have a thread for trash talk from opposing fans , keep that nonsense out of this one.

Leaving the word "cancer" aside, the guy is pointing to Wall's contract as a problem -- which it is. Moreover, on the same page of the same thread we have fans of three more teams also suggesting that these trade ideas aren't realistic.

Got to be something to learn there.

Mahinmi, Smith, Rivers, Howard...THOSE are the bad contracts IMO.

Morris is worth his deal (never mind the pick he cost). Green is worth his deal also.


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Yup. No reason that Oubre & Morris can’t get you under the tax by being paired with Smith/Rivers to get you under the tax.


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[Illmatic12]

Thanks for a laugh! The Suns wouldn't trade Ryan Anderson for John Wall straight up. Wall is your problem. No one is taking that cancer with his ridiculous contract off you hands for free.

You’re seriously coming on the Wizards forum to call Wall a cancer ? Come on . We have a thread for trash talk from opposing fans , keep that nonsense out of this one.

Leaving the word "cancer" aside, the guy is pointing to Wall's contract as a problem -- which it is. Moreover, on the same page of the same thread we have fans of three more teams also suggesting that these trade ideas aren't realistic.

Got to be something to learn there.

The tone of his post wasn’t appropriate and needed to be addressed.

We can have trade discussions without venturing into that sort of toxic language

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Leaving the word "cancer" aside, the guy is pointing to Wall's contract as a problem -- which it is. Moreover, on the same page of the same thread we have fans of three more teams also suggesting that these trade ideas aren't realistic.

Got to be something to learn there.

Mahinmi, Smith, Rivers, Howard...THOSE are the bad contracts IMO.

Morris is worth his deal (never mind the pick he cost). Green is worth his deal also.


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Yup. No reason that Oubre & Morris can’t get you under the tax by being paired with Smith/Rivers to get you under the tax.


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Exactly...except for Ernie being the cause and most UNLIKELY problem solver. He fills one hole by causing a bigger one down the line.

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[prime1time]

I think people in here are underrating Wall's trade value. He's averaging 23 and 9, shooting 40% from 3 in his last 5 games. Wall's not a bad player, we just don't have any flexibility to improve the team, and Wall's skill set doesn't match the talent on the team. Ideally we trade Wall, but 1 of Wall or Porter have to go. Beal is worth his contract, but unless we can find a way to get Porter more shot attempts we need to trade him. He doesn't come close to performing to the level of that contract. I'd rather trade Wall than Porter though.

Just embarrassing the contract that we gave to Wall. Unless you have great players on rookie contracts, you can't be competitive paying Wall that kind of money.

[gambitx777]

Honestly I think the nets, the jazz and the kings could all be willing to trade for wall, and team that has issues bringing in free agents would be interested in trading for him. now, we won't get much. maybe a young player expiring and a second but its probably still a good move.

[Wiz99]

Well, we now have another data point for Wall’s trade value.

It’s apparently less than Covington, Saric, Bayless and a future 2nd.

At least for Minnie. We all know Wall’s way better on physical talent. The contract and trashed reputation (deserved or not) create a huge discount on his value.

[BigA]

Wizards won't even consider trading Wall until it's way too late.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Well, we now have another data point for Wall’s trade value.

It’s apparently less than Covington, Saric, Bayless and a future 2nd.

At least for Minnie. We all know Wall’s way better on physical talent. The contract and trashed reputation (deserved or not) create a huge discount on his value.

Do we know of any interest from Washington or Minnesota in a Wall/Butler deal? Unless we do I can't see comparing the values of the players involved.


I think that the Wizards can get under the cap by trading Ian, Markieff, and others. I expect Otto will get dealt. (Not what I want, but what I expect is going to happen).



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[King Ken]

They should have drafted Omari Spellman.

No. The Wizards should have traded our #15 to the Hawks for their #s19 & 34. Take:

Kevin Huerter (#19) (or, if he was gone, Troy Brown Jr. -- to avoid a dispute here)
Mitchell Robinson (#34)
Hamidou Diallo (#44).

If the Hawks didn't like that trade, the Wizards should have traded our #15 to the Sixers for their #s 26 & 38. Take:

Omari Spellman (#26)
Hamidou Diallo (#38)
whoever you like @ #44 -- how about Allonzo Trier?

...Then, do not trade Gortat for Rivers, & do not sign Jeff Green -- sign Omri Casspi instead (for 2 years at slightly above vet min -- which is what he's getting from Memphis).

Some enormous steps towards rebuilding the team at essentially no cost.

But there is a reason why Atlanta didn't. We like the haul we got in the draft. Hopefully Dallas doesn't get a top 5 pick and that will make the haul we got that much sweeter

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[Wiz99]

Well, we now have another data point for Wall’s trade value.

It’s apparently less than Covington, Saric, Bayless and a future 2nd.

At least for Minnie. We all know Wall’s way better on physical talent. The contract and trashed reputation (deserved or not) create a huge discount on his value.

Do we know of any interest from Washington or Minnesota in a Wall/Butler deal? Unless we do I can't see comparing the values of the players involved.

Woj reports Wizards were 1 of 3 teams Minnie had intensive talks with.

Can you imagine they DIDN’T talk about Wall?

[dangermouse]

Sac send Randolph, Bjelica and Skal. A couple of 2nds.

Wiz send the great small forward magician Otto The Invisible. We cut Randolph and someone else. Follow it up with trading Morris somewhere for a protected 2nd rounder (worthless).

Wall is unmovable, Beal is too valuable to us and we wont get a good return. Sac need a SF, Otto is young and has shown that he can be a great 2nd/3rd option shooter with a high IQ. Something is going on in DC though. We save money and id LOVE to replace Morris with someone like Bjelica. Brooks is too scared to bench Morris so maybe Ernie can solve this issue with a trade. We get a young athletic big who is buried on that Sactown bench.

[payitforward]

They should have drafted Omari Spellman.

No. The Wizards should have traded our #15 to the Hawks for their #s19 & 34. Take:

Kevin Huerter (#19) (or, if he was gone, Troy Brown Jr. -- to avoid a dispute here)
Mitchell Robinson (#34)
Hamidou Diallo (#44).

If the Hawks didn't like that trade, the Wizards should have traded our #15 to the Sixers for their #s 26 & 38. Take:

Omari Spellman (#26)
Hamidou Diallo (#38)
whoever you like @ #44 -- how about Allonzo Trier?

...Then, do not trade Gortat for Rivers, & do not sign Jeff Green -- sign Omri Casspi instead (for 2 years at slightly above vet min -- which is what he's getting from Memphis).

Some enormous steps towards rebuilding the team at essentially no cost.

Yeah, I like yours better, PIF.

Huerter is already showing signs of becoming a ten-year pro. Solid, future starter or sixth man type.

I can't claim to have had any idea of how effective Huerter could/would be -- a few people here did like him a lot, however, & deserve credit!

OTOH, I was on record repeatedly in favor of trading down for multiple picks & for coming out of the draft with at least 3 & hopefully 4 rookies. I thought this was a fantastic draft, & it sure looks to be turning out that way. Early days, but so far so good.

Of the top 16 rookies so far (leaving out guys who've only played a few minutes) fully 9 of them were taken after our #15 spot (or undrafted).

More telling yet: 4 of them were either undrafted or taken after our #44 pick -- Trier, Diallo, Clark, & Johnathon Williams.

[Illmatic12]

Well, we now have another data point for Wall’s trade value.

It’s apparently less than Covington, Saric, Bayless and a future 2nd.

At least for Minnie. We all know Wall’s way better on physical talent. The contract and trashed reputation (deserved or not) create a huge discount on his value.

Do we know of any interest from Washington or Minnesota in a Wall/Butler deal? Unless we do I can't see comparing the values of the players involved.

Woj reports Wizards were 1 of 3 teams Minnie had intensive talks with.

Can you imagine they DIDN’T talk about Wall?

Of course not. There is no way this Wizards regime would entertain thoughts of a Wall-trade . I don't know what Wizards franchise you guys have been following if you think John has ever been in trade talks.

According to Woj, the Wolves asked about Beal and were summarily declined.

[payitforward]

You’re seriously coming on the Wizards forum to call Wall a cancer ? Come on . We have a thread for trash talk from opposing fans , keep that nonsense out of this one.

Leaving the word "cancer" aside, the guy is pointing to Wall's contract as a problem -- which it is. Moreover, on the same page of the same thread we have fans of three more teams also suggesting that these trade ideas aren't realistic.

Got to be something to learn there.

The tone of his post wasn’t appropriate and needed to be addressed.

We can have trade discussions without venturing into that sort of toxic language

Agree 100% Should have made that clear.