Official Andre Iguodala Trade Discussion and Rumors Thread

[Sixerlover]

The funny part about a lot of the "Trade Iguodala for scraps" Sixers fans is that they jump to the conclusion that a team with Iguodala = a 40 win mid level team and a team without Iguodala = on the rise to eventual contention.

At the end of the day, the salary cap doesn't mean you scrap your best player for nothing. I'm glad our GM actually realizes that as opposed to fans who want to trade him for a salary dump (even though that will have 0 effect on us being over the cap until Brand expires).

[ray ray]

Draft trade with the Suns:

Suns trade :
Vince Carter 17.5 (4mil buy out this year)
Suns 13th pick in 2011

76era trade :
Andre Iguodala 12.3 mil
D. Songalia 4.8 (expires after July)
and 76ers 16th pick in 2011

This would automatically bring the 76ers cap relieve and can give you guys enough space to sign someone of Marc Gasol caliber. The Suns need an athletic two guard and Andre fits the bill. Also, it would help Nash since he's a good passer. This is a win win for both teams.

[ray ray]

^^^^^^
the suns would also sent 3mil in cash in that trade.

[Kobblehead]

The funny part about a lot of the "Trade Iguodala for scraps" Sixers fans is that they jump to the conclusion that a team with Iguodala = a 40 win mid level team and a team without Iguodala = on the rise to eventual contention.

A team with Iguodala making what he makes and playing the offensive role that he is playing does= a 40 win mid level team. Which is right in the comfort level of some of you guys.

[Sixerscan]

That wouldn't give us cap room.

[tk76]

Draft trade with the Suns:

Suns trade :
Vince Carter 17.5 (4mil buy out this year)
Suns 13th pick in 2011

76era trade :
Andre Iguodala 12.3 mil
D. Songalia 4.8 (expires after July)
and 76ers 16th pick in 2011

This would automatically bring the 76ers cap relieve and can give you guys enough space to sign someone of Marc Gasol caliber. The Suns need an athletic two guard and Andre fits the bill. Also, it would help Nash since he's a good passer. This is a win win for both teams.

1. You can't trade unrestricted FA's (like Songalia) once the trade deadline has passed.
2. The Sixers are not looking to trade away Iguodala for an expiring, and moving up from #16 to #13 is not value. In fact #13 by itself is not much value.
3. Your trade would not put the Sixers significantly under the cap unless they let Young walk. And losing both Iguodala and Young would kill the team.

Any trade with the Suns would probably have to involve Gortat (and more.) Probbaly somethiing along the lines of: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=3uxk6lu

Gortat + VC + #13

for

Iguodala, Nocioni and Speights

...and you will say "no way", just like I said to your initial salary dump offer- and that is why the Iguodala will not be traded to the Suns.

[Sixerscan]

He's an idea. Trade Turner and Williams +whatever to the Suns for Nash.

[HartfordWhalers]

So if Iguodala has a higher career TS%, efg%, and FT% then Kaman, can we give up on justifying a swap based on Kamn's shooting?

Then it can be back to Kamans supperior defensive prowess.

I don't think anyone cares about that. Kamen is a low-risk, high-reward move. Even in the worst case scenario (Kamen misses 40 games) it doesn't matter because him and Andre are both off our books this time next year.

I haven't realy heard a single scenario where Kaman = high reward. As to whether his shooting matters, I guess I should have used the quote function. I was directly responding to:

I'm OK with Kaman, because he can rebound 8 to 10rpg with 1 to 1.5bpg and score with good FG% and decent FT% (better than Iggy).

In general if the argument is addition by subtraction and eliminating Iguodala = cap room + more pt for Turner + more time on point for Holiday; that is fine and everyone can debate that until they are blue. But that isn't an argument for taking Kaman over any other deal that might actually include a positive asset.

[Sixerlover]

The funny part about a lot of the "Trade Iguodala for scraps" Sixers fans is that they jump to the conclusion that a team with Iguodala = a 40 win mid level team and a team without Iguodala = on the rise to eventual contention.

A team with Iguodala making what he makes and playing the offensive role that he is playing does= a 40 win mid level team. Which is right in the comfort level of some of you guys.

In a PURELY fictional, and just for making a point purpose of a trade (for Sixerscan ) Trade Jrue + Thad + Hawes + 2011 pick for CP3 + Okafor.

Are we still a mid level 40 win team?

Iguodala is still the secondary ball handler, and makes the amount of money he does.

[Sixerscan]

Why would Thad agree to go to the Hornets without Paul or Okafor?

Everyone needs to get S&T out of their vocabulary. They almost never happen, and after the new CBA is signed they'll no longer be in existence.

[Sixerlover]

Why would Thad agree to go to the Hornets without Paul or Okafor?

Everyone needs to get S&T out of their vocabulary. They almost never happen, and after the new CBA is signed they'll no longer be in existence.

Completely unrelated to the main point of my post, but okay I'll take out the S&T. And I thought S&T's happen fairly often, last two offseasons I remember them happening pretty frequently.

And to answer your question, I doubt 22 year old Thad Young is chasing rings. He'll go to the highest bidder.

[Kobblehead]

Why would Thad agree to go to the Hornets without Paul or Okafor?

He's 22. He's from New Orleans.

[corwin]

The funny part about a lot of the "Trade Iguodala for scraps" Sixers fans is that they jump to the conclusion that a team with Iguodala = a 40 win mid level team and a team without Iguodala = on the rise to eventual contention.

A team with Iguodala making what he makes and playing the offensive role that he is playing does= a 40 win mid level team. Which is right in the comfort level of some of you guys.[/quote]

This is so obvious that it shouldn't have to be stated over and over again. Iggy was made the face of the franchise & given a contract given to a developing star in the hope that he could replace AI. In fact, I believe that is why Eddie Jordan was hired two years ago, to bring out the star in him. Iggy is not that player & he hasn't responded to the opportunities. He accepted a lesser role last year but one that still left the ball in his hands at the end of games (where he couldn't produce) & in turn (Please Use More Appropriate Word) Jrue's development as a PG & the development of ET. Also, as an aside, it is patently unfair to ET to talk about him not producing when Collins used him as a perimeter shooter early in the season & ruined his confidence. We all know that is not ET's game. Iggy is a good player & the team needs to get something of value for him & it does not even need to be a center. But his run here is over. He's failed to make the team anything other than a low seeded playoff team. He's a versatile and very good player but it's time to move on.

[ChuckS]

"A team with Iguodala making what he makes and playing the offensive role that he is playing does= a 40 win mid level team. Which is right in the comfort level of some of you guys."

This is so obvious that it shouldn't have to be stated over and over again.

I agree that it shouldn't have to be stated over and over again -- but certainly not because it is so obvious. Actually it is too arrogant and unimaginative to have been stated even once.

[Sixerscan]

I also don't get how Holiday is being limited by Iguodala. He's not a pure point. Having someone else to split the ball handling duties with him is a good thing, not a bad thing.

We won 41 games last year. Trade Turner or Williams for a decent center, give Holiday another year to develop. Hope you get a decent guy with 16. We'll be a lot better.

[HartfordWhalers]

I also don't get how Holiday is being limited by Iguodala. He's not a pure point. Having someone else to split the ball handling duties with him is a good thing, not a bad thing.

We won 41 games last year. Trade Turner or Williams for a decent center, give Holiday another year to develop. Hope you get a decent guy with 16. We'll be a lot better.

I would rather see Jrue play point full time.
I'm really not sure what basis your using to say that he isn't a pure point now, but he operated in that role for most of the last two seasons. And I don't know how anyone could rule out he won't be one in the future. So unless you think he won't be one in the future, I would like him to get more time actually developing that role he will play long term.

[Sixerscan]

I also don't get how Holiday is being limited by Iguodala. He's not a pure point. Having someone else to split the ball handling duties with him is a good thing, not a bad thing.

We won 41 games last year. Trade Turner or Williams for a decent center, give Holiday another year to develop. Hope you get a decent guy with 16. We'll be a lot better.

I would rather see Jrue play point full time.
I'm really not sure what basis your using to say that he isn't a pure point now, but he operated in that role for most of the last two seasons. And I don't know how anyone could rule out he won't be one in the future. So unless you think he won't be one in the future, I would like him to get more time actually developing that role he will play long term.

Well... you're wrong, he split point duties with Iguodala all year. Hence why they were the only teammates to average 6+ APG. He's never been a full time point in his life. In fact, the height of Iguodala's percentage of playing point coincided with the best stretch of basketball the team played.

And even if you traded Iguodala, it's not like Turner is some Kevin Martin/Danny Granger type. He's going to handle the ball a lot too.

It's not like that's a bad thing, there are a lot of good teams that don't have one ball-controlling point guard. Holiday has the ability to shoot off the pass or create his own shot, and we should encourage that rather than try to limit him.

Iguodala or Turner both "fit" with Holiday, it's just that Iguodala is a lot better.

[HartfordWhalers]

I also don't get how Holiday is being limited by Iguodala. He's not a pure point. Having someone else to split the ball handling duties with him is a good thing, not a bad thing.

We won 41 games last year. Trade Turner or Williams for a decent center, give Holiday another year to develop. Hope you get a decent guy with 16. We'll be a lot better.

I would rather see Jrue play point full time.
I'm really not sure what basis your using to say that he isn't a pure point now, but he operated in that role for most of the last two seasons. And I don't know how anyone could rule out he won't be one in the future. So unless you think he won't be one in the future, I would like him to get more time actually developing that role he will play long term.

Well... you're wrong, he split point duties with Iguodala all year. Hence why they were the only teammates to average 6+ APG. He's never been a full time point in his life. In fact, the height of Iguodala's percentage of playing point coincided with the best stretch of basketball the team played.

And even if you traded Iguodala, it's not like Turner is some Kevin Martin/Danny Granger type. He's going to handle the ball a lot too.

It's not like that's a bad thing, there are a lot of good teams that don't have one ball-controlling point guard. Holiday has the ability to shoot off the pass or create his own shot, and we should encourage that rather than try to limit him.

Iguodala or Turner both "fit" with Holiday, it's just that Iguodala is a lot better.

I'm sorry but you seem to be mistaken when you called me wrong. Holiday started the season as the sole point, until February when they switched to Iguodala more in a point forward role. And the season before Holiday played mostly at point.

I really don't understand how you can call the statement that he operated in the role for most of the last two seasons as wrong. Was it only 49% of his minutes?

[HartfordWhalers]

As for compatibility, Iguodala does well off ball so even if you accept that Jrue's future is as a point there isn't a reason they cannot coexist. But developmentally, cutting into Jrue's point minutes doesn't make sense to me.

And it is a good point that Turner looks like he needs the ball more then Iguodala, which suggests he is less compatible with Holiday.

[Sixerscan]

I didn't fully read what you wrote sorry. I was more just referring to the end of this year.

But even last year, there was a lot of time when he played off the ball and Williams or Iverson ran point. Was it a majority? Probably not. I still think we shouldn't develop him into someone who dominates the ball though. Whether you are going forward with Andre or Turner, you have a second ball handler that was can take advantage of.