Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIV "Lottery/Draft"Edition)

[OrlChamps2030]

Kinda interesting.. Not sure how strong the correlation is but since the 2008 draft the only Upperclassmen (jr/sr) chosen in the Top Five are:

Thomas Robinson
Evan Turner
Wes Johnson
Hasheem Thabeet

[Bensational]

Oladipo over McLemore is an easy call.

Just like Perry Jones III was an easy call?

If it was an easy call, then Oladipo would be an unquestionable top 2 pick. He's not, so it's not an easy call.

I don't know if you're already writing off PJII's career or not, but if you're instead talking about how he fell in the draft... well, was that really a surprise? By most accounts, he went in the range people thought. Just at the lower end of the range.

Oladipo over McLemore is an easy call. Sooner or later people will realize it. It's fine if you're hesitant to believe it.

LOL, arrogant much? We've all seen the debates and nothing has been shown that would make Oladipo an easy call. I'm not denying that there's a legitimate race between the two with no discernible answer until they hit the courts, but come on man, what makes him an easy call? "motor", "heart", other intangibles that you either 'see' or you're blind to it?

I bring up PJIII because you were rabid for him last year because 'the scouts' had once considered him a top 3 prospect (the same ones you're criticizing people for following now), and that made him a steal with our pick. You were pretty pissed when Hennigan took Nicholson, but at this point it looks like we came away with the better player. I'm not writing off PJ at all, I still see the potential in him, but that wasn't "an easy call", and I doubt that Dip over McLemore is an easy call. Could go either way from the info we have at our disposal, and unless you've got some kind of advanced analytics that nobody but Hennigan has access to, then I don't think you're anymore qualified to say who is and isn't the better prospect.

There are guys like Neon who have legitimately thought provoking reasons behind their statements, but you're have been lacking lately.

[JBSouthpaw]

Projecting/forecasting a player is the hardest thing to do in sports.

there are no "easey" calls, at the end you go with what feels right.

sometimes you chose correct, sometimes wrong. sometimes both players work out, sometimes neither.

I think I've flopped 3 times on who should be picked.

it will be interesting to look back in 3 years.

[Skin]

LOL, arrogant much? We've all seen the debates and nothing has been shown that would make Oladipo an easy call. I'm not denying that there's a legitimate race between the two with no discernible answer until they hit the courts, but come on man, what makes him an easy call? "motor", "heart", other intangibles that you either 'see' or you're blind to it?

I bring up PJIII because you were rabid for him last year because 'the scouts' had once considered him a top 3 prospect (the same ones you're criticizing people for following now), and that made him a steal with our pick. You were pretty pissed when Hennigan took Nicholson, but at this point it looks like we came away with the better player. I'm not writing off PJ at all, I still see the potential in him, but that wasn't "an easy call", and I doubt that Dip over McLemore is an easy call. Could go either way from the info we have at our disposal, and unless you've got some kind of advanced analytics that nobody but Hennigan has access to, then I don't think you're anymore qualified to say who is and isn't the better prospect.

There are guys like Neon who have legitimately thought provoking reasons behind their statements, but you're have been lacking lately.

More passionate than arrogant, but I can see how it would come off that way.

We were picking at 19 last year. There's a lot less surety in prospects when you're picking that late. But passion is passion. I did like PJ3 but I also realized it was a swinging for the fences type of pick. However, when you're picking #2 overall, you don't want to have the same mentality. ...and you shouldn't need to either.

I have a similar guy that I'm pounding my fist on the table for if we get a pick in the late teens to twenties. Just like PJ3, I'm really wanting Tony Mitchell. I like Mitchell a lot more though. As for PJ3, I still think his best is yet to come and it's way to early to laugh him off now.

[Def Swami]

Part LV coming soon?

[rcklsscognition]

If you post an opinion of a prospect without a youtube mixtape you can't be taken seriously

[in-limbo]

I really like the idea of a perimeter defender, let's not funnel every problem to the center anymore. Victor would help out with perimeter defense at a minimum. If that's all we get I would be fine.

Ben is going to have to convince people that he wants to launch that thing with reckless abandon. a great shooter that doesn't want to chuck it isn't a very good shooter. The passiveness perception is a bit of a problem and he should answer to it directly. If you are deferring to your teammates at Kansas, what will you do on the floor with NBA guys? I really like the guy though and hope he works out and interviews well.

I trust Rob fully. Drew and Kyle were both nice picks and who saw that coming? Looking forward to the draft big time.

um...Last?

[BadMofoPimp]

I like the one two punch of Vucci/Kyle at Center. Then you got BBD & Harris at PF being Harris will prolly split time between PF and SF. Just need to continue to develop these young guys to get better.

[in-limbo]

Kyle has the Horace jumper so why not play him some at 4?

[Neon1]

Would you guys:

#2, #51 and Aaron Afflalo to OKC
Afflalo has 13-14 (7.75), 14-15 (7.75) and 15-16 (7.94) left on his contract.
For
Jeremy Lamb, #12, #29 and Stonehands Perkins?
Perkins has 13-14 (8.98) and 14-15 (9.65) left on his contract.
Lamb has 13-14 (2.11), 14-15 (2.02), 15-16 (3.03) left on his rookie contract.

[BadMofoPimp]

Would you guys:

#2, #51 and Aaron Afflalo to OKC
Afflalo has 13-14 (7.75), 14-15 (7.75) and 15-16 (7.94) left on his contract.
For
Jeremy Lamb, #12, #29 and Stonehands Perkins?
Perkins has 13-14 (8.98) and 14-15 (9.65) left on his contract.
Lamb has 13-14 (2.11), 14-15 (2.02), 15-16 (3.03) left on his rookie contract.

Hell Yes!!! Doubt OKC would do it though. That would leave them very thin on the front line.

[glennathan]

Would you guys:

#2, #51 and Aaron Afflalo to OKC
Afflalo has 13-14 (7.75), 14-15 (7.75) and 15-16 (7.94) left on his contract.
For
Jeremy Lamb, #12, #29 and Stonehands Perkins?
Perkins has 13-14 (8.98) and 14-15 (9.65) left on his contract.
Lamb has 13-14 (2.11), 14-15 (2.02), 15-16 (3.03) left on his rookie contract.

No I would not do it. I like having the #2 pick plus I think we need to keep Afflalo

[orlando1214]

Would you guys:

#2, #51 and Aaron Afflalo to OKC
Afflalo has 13-14 (7.75), 14-15 (7.75) and 15-16 (7.94) left on his contract.
For
Jeremy Lamb, #12, #29 and Stonehands Perkins?
Perkins has 13-14 (8.98) and 14-15 (9.65) left on his contract.
Lamb has 13-14 (2.11), 14-15 (2.02), 15-16 (3.03) left on his rookie contract.

I wouldn't, the Magic are giving up by far the two best pieces in the trade and I don't really understand what for, to barely get a second 1st round pick and Jeremy Lamb? I'd much rather just trade Afflalo for a pick and Perkins then trade away the #2 pick. I don't even want Perkins though, which is why I rather the Magic trade Afflalo somewhere else.

[Neon1]

Would you guys:

#2, #51 and Aaron Afflalo to OKC
Afflalo has 13-14 (7.75), 14-15 (7.75) and 15-16 (7.94) left on his contract.
For
Jeremy Lamb, #12, #29 and Stonehands Perkins?
Perkins has 13-14 (8.98) and 14-15 (9.65) left on his contract.
Lamb has 13-14 (2.11), 14-15 (2.02), 15-16 (3.03) left on his rookie contract.

Hell Yes!!! Doubt OKC would do it though. That would leave them very thin on the front line.

A poster off the OKC board said it. Don't know if the rest of the board agrees...I think I would do it.

[MasterGMer]

Would you guys:

#2, #51 and Aaron Afflalo to OKC
Afflalo has 13-14 (7.75), 14-15 (7.75) and 15-16 (7.94) left on his contract.
For
Jeremy Lamb, #12, #29 and Stonehands Perkins?
Perkins has 13-14 (8.98) and 14-15 (9.65) left on his contract.
Lamb has 13-14 (2.11), 14-15 (2.02), 15-16 (3.03) left on his rookie contract.

I am thinking about it. Lamb is definitely intriguing. But I want top 5 pick this draft so hopefully Noel, McLemore or Oladipo.

I am really excited about Noel and that is why I want a top 5. I know I have no knowledge of whatsoever but a defensive Big accompany with Vucevic is exciting.

[Neon1]

I am thinking about it. Lamb is definitely intriguing. But I want top 5 pick this draft so hopefully Noel, McLemore or Oladipo.

I am really excited about Noel and that is why I want a top 5. I know I have no knowledge of whatsoever but a defensive Big accompany with Vucevic is exciting.

I would take Jeremy Lamb + #12 + #29 over McLemore and Oladipo or Burke in a New York Minute.

Its basically SG Jeremy Lamb (instead of BMac) then certainly at least one of McCollum, Schroder or maybe Burke will be there also. Then you have #29 to grab the BTA

[MasterGMer]

I am thinking about it. Lamb is definitely intriguing. But I want top 5 pick this draft so hopefully Noel, McLemore or Oladipo.

I am really excited about Noel and that is why I want a top 5. I know I have no knowledge of whatsoever but a defensive Big accompany with Vucevic is exciting.

I would take Jeremy Lamb + #12 + #29 over McLemore and Oladipo or Burke in a New York Minute.

Its basically SG Jeremy Lamb (instead of BMac) then certainly at least one of McCollum, Schroder or maybe Burke will be there also. Then you have #29 to grab the BTA

I like the idea of Shroeder or McCollum early teens. I think they would do well at Magic and fit the team. But my point is I am not giving up #2 with possibility of getting Noel or Alex Len. Unless Hennigan is sold on Dieng with 12 pick but he could be taken

BTW who can you target at #29?

[orlando1214]

I am thinking about it. Lamb is definitely intriguing. But I want top 5 pick this draft so hopefully Noel, McLemore or Oladipo.

I am really excited about Noel and that is why I want a top 5. I know I have no knowledge of whatsoever but a defensive Big accompany with Vucevic is exciting.

I would take Jeremy Lamb + #12 + #29 over McLemore and Oladipo or Burke in a New York Minute.

Its basically SG Jeremy Lamb (instead of BMac) then certainly at least one of McCollum, Schroder or maybe Burke will be there also. Then you have #29 to grab the BTA

Well that would be a better offer, but adding Afflalo to that just to get Perkins would be terrible. I still rather not give up the #2 pick, but at least your trade gives a good amount of value back for it.

[Neon1]

I like the idea of Shroeder or McCollum early teens. I think they would do well at Magic and fit the team. But my point is I am not giving up #2 with possibility of getting Noel or Alex Len. Unless Hennigan is sold on Dieng with 12 pick but he could be taken

BTW who can you target at #29?

Maybe if we were to wait until draft day and make the deal only if Noel isn't there? Problem would lie in if OKC wants Noel at #2 for a deal.

As far as #29, you can "target" anybody cause you just don't know who will be there, but a talent WILL slip, they almost always do.

[Neon1]

Well that would be a better offer, but adding Afflalo to that just to get Perkins would be terrible. I still rather not give up the #2 pick, but at least your trade gives a good amount of value back for it.

The original offer was #12, Lamb and #29