Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII

[pcbothwel]

If we can get bogdanavic for a future first or second and dump Nicholson you do it, hes is versatile and will benefit by playing off the bench on a good team. He can play stretch 4, play 3 and play 2 if needed. We could make a lot of use of him and we dump Nicholson. I do it all day. I still want to stay clear of Lou Williams unless the deal is right, If we pull both deals I can live with it. Cuz we still dump Nicholson. It ends up being about even. I would rather go looking at rondo to be honest he is putting up decent defensive and distribution numbers in a bench role he would be real good for our bench.

I just cant see the justification. Lou Will and Barton are signed through next year, so both their teams can hold out for better deals. But Bojan is a FA to be that is simply a 8th man off the bench. I'd offer our 1st only if they throw in McCullough.

Fact is this, the Cavs are the runaway favorites in the East and the Warriors in the West. That combined with a Great 2017 draft means there are very few buyers besides those two: Boston, Wiz, Toronto, Pacers, Rockets, Clippers, Spurs, and Jazz.

Toronto made their move, the Pacers wont make a move for an expiring, the Clippers and Cavs have no assets, and the Spurs wont panic and give away picks.

So its really the Celtics, Rockets and Jazz. The Jazz have Hayward, JJ, Ingles, Hood, and Burks all playing the 2/3.
The Rockets have Harden, Ariza, Gordon, Dekker, Brewer, and McDaniels on their wing.
Boston has Smart, Crowder, Bradley, Brown, Green, and Young.
So neither team looks right for Bojan...

[NatP4]

Hell, if you can get bojan for Burke and a 2nd round pick. I don't care, do it. Doesn't put us over the top or anything, but we can improve just from subtracting Burke. Let's us play small ball more, gives us another shooter, which we need.

I actually like it, not for a 1st though, no way

[gambitx777]

Here is the thing, Im talking about Bogdanavic for Nicholson and burke. So I think 2017 second and a 2020 or 2019 first would be more than fair. You loose the fools gold of burke and you get out of nicholsons deal. You get bogdanavic who can be a good piece for us to make a run. I think all that is a fair price. for a future first, and this years second. And as a restricted FA we can sign him over the cap or the tax, so if we feel like hes right and we can talk him into a reasonable deal something around or a little north of nicholsons deal, mid level type money it works out. I think the cavs are definitely beatable, and I don't think Ibaka while loosing ross makes toronto much more of a threat than they were before. There is a reason Every one keeps moving on from Ibaka. While I liked him for a bench role for us if we were ditching deals, I don't think he is all that and a bag of chips. I'm just saying its more likely that the nets take a furture first and a second and take nicholson. than any one else is and I think we can find more ways to make use of bogdanavic than we can Lou. and we keep out 2017 first.

[Meliorus]

Do people not realize that Bogdanavic is just as bad of a player as Nicholson and Burke?? He plays on the worst team in the league, it's not exactly a blood-bath to get playing time/stats. Dude is the defensive liability in the highest degree.

The dude is 85th in RPM among shooting guards. He not only hurts the team on defense, he hurts the team on offense. This is another Okafor, but this time an older player with no upside. Brooklyn is trying to trick teams into thinking Bogdanavic is actually worth something.

Grand offer for Bogdanavic is a 3rd rounder. Offer is non-negotiable.

[gambitx777]

Do people not realize that Bogdanavic is just as bad of a player as Nicholson and Burke?? He plays on the worst team in the league, it's not exactly a blood-bath to get playing time/stats. Dude is the defensive liability in the highest degree.

The dude is 85th in RPM among shooting guards. He not only hurts the team on defense, he hurts the team on offense. This is another Okafor, but this time an older player with no upside. Brooklyn is trying to trick teams into thinking Bogdanavic is actually worth something.

Grand offer for Bogdanavic is a 3rd rounder. Offer is non-negotiable.

Can we please stop with the RPM, is his total D rating good no, but Lous is only 2 points lover. He is a 105 on total O rating you know who else is? Morris and Jason smith. Two guys who we make pretty good use of. So yeah I think Bogdanavic is the better get because he is cheaper to get, we can potentially get out of Nicholsons long term deal and we can move burke and he can do more for you at more positions than Lou.
Keep in mind bogdanavic is not a SG he is listed as one and he can play as one but he is not a SG. He he a SF who is Better suited for a Small ball 4 off the bench. That and no one is talking about trading our 2017 first for Bogdanavic, No one said that, No one is thinking that, no one reported that. All that was reported is that we have interested in both lou and bogdanavic and that we are willing to give up a future, first and reports add that the team might be willing to use this years. Key word might.

[Meliorus]

Do people not realize that Bogdanavic is just as bad of a player as Nicholson and Burke?? He plays on the worst team in the league, it's not exactly a blood-bath to get playing time/stats. Dude is the defensive liability in the highest degree.

The dude is 85th in RPM among shooting guards. He not only hurts the team on defense, he hurts the team on offense. This is another Okafor, but this time an older player with no upside. Brooklyn is trying to trick teams into thinking Bogdanavic is actually worth something.

Grand offer for Bogdanavic is a 3rd rounder. Offer is non-negotiable.

Can we please stop with the RPM, is his total D rating good not, but Lous is only 2 points lover. he is a 105 on total O rating you know who else is? Morris and Jason smith. Two guys who we make pretty good use of. So yeah I think Bogdanavic is the better get because he is cheaper to get, we can potentail get out of Nicholsons long term deal and we can move burke and he can do more for you at more positions than Lou.
Keep in mind bogdanavic is not a SG he is listed as one but he is not a SG. He he a SF who is Better suited for a Small ball 4 off the bench. That and no one is talking about trading our 2017 first for Bogdanavic, No one said that, No one is thinking that, no one reported that. All that was reported is that we have interested in both lou and bogdanavic and that we are willing to give up a future, first and reports add that the team might be willing to use this years. Key word might.

If Lou Williams and Bogdanavic are good then I don't know what bad is.

[NatP4]

Do people not realize that Bogdanavic is just as bad of a player as Nicholson and Burke?? He plays on the worst team in the league, it's not exactly a blood-bath to get playing time/stats. Dude is the defensive liability in the highest degree.

The dude is 85th in RPM among shooting guards. He not only hurts the team on defense, he hurts the team on offense. This is another Okafor, but this time an older player with no upside. Brooklyn is trying to trick teams into thinking Bogdanavic is actually worth something.

Grand offer for Bogdanavic is a 3rd rounder. Offer is non-negotiable.

Can we please stop with the RPM, is his total D rating good not, but Lous is only 2 points lover. he is a 105 on total O rating you know who else is? Morris and Jason smith. Two guys who we make pretty good use of. So yeah I think Bogdanavic is the better get because he is cheaper to get, we can potentail get out of Nicholsons long term deal and we can move burke and he can do more for you at more positions than Lou.
Keep in mind bogdanavic is not a SG he is listed as one but he is not a SG. He he a SF who is Better suited for a Small ball 4 off the bench. That and no one is talking about trading our 2017 first for Bogdanavic, No one said that, No one is thinking that, no one reported that. All that was reported is that we have interested in both lou and bogdanavic and that we are willing to give up a future, first and reports add that the team might be willing to use this years. Key word might.

If Lou Williams and Bogdanavic are good then I don't know what bad is.

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[gambitx777]

Do people not realize that Bogdanavic is just as bad of a player as Nicholson and Burke?? He plays on the worst team in the league, it's not exactly a blood-bath to get playing time/stats. Dude is the defensive liability in the highest degree.

The dude is 85th in RPM among shooting guards. He not only hurts the team on defense, he hurts the team on offense. This is another Okafor, but this time an older player with no upside. Brooklyn is trying to trick teams into thinking Bogdanavic is actually worth something.

Grand offer for Bogdanavic is a 3rd rounder. Offer is non-negotiable.

Can we please stop with the RPM, is his total D rating good not, but Lous is only 2 points lover. he is a 105 on total O rating you know who else is? Morris and Jason smith. Two guys who we make pretty good use of. So yeah I think Bogdanavic is the better get because he is cheaper to get, we can potentail get out of Nicholsons long term deal and we can move burke and he can do more for you at more positions than Lou.
Keep in mind bogdanavic is not a SG he is listed as one but he is not a SG. He he a SF who is Better suited for a Small ball 4 off the bench. That and no one is talking about trading our 2017 first for Bogdanavic, No one said that, No one is thinking that, no one reported that. All that was reported is that we have interested in both lou and bogdanavic and that we are willing to give up a future, first and reports add that the team might be willing to use this years. Key word might.

If Lou Williams and Bogdanavic are good then I don't know what bad is.

well if you are going to go off on advanced stats which are really convoluted and tricky to determine from player to player, then Lou is just as bad on defense and he is just as good on offence as Jason smith or Morris. Thats why I don't like advanced stats. you have to watch the dude play and just look at his minutes and base per game percentages and production. That, is how I feel, you get the best look at how good or bad a player is, but that is just my opinion.

[thinker07]

I think there are a number of factors that will go into the Wiz deciding on making a trade.

1) The last estimate I saw for the 2017-18 luxury tax line was $122 million;

2) Otto is resigning for the max which goes on top of the $79 mil or so owed Beal, Wall, Gortat, Mahinmi, and Morris. So with Otto and those 5 guys we'll be at $103-105 millionish. Smith, Oubre, Sato, and the 3 rookies add about $14 mil. Ted may have to go into the luxury tax next year but it's impossible to imagine he will this year.

3) These numbers next year make it pretty hard to take on someone like Wilson Chandler, Brandon Knight, Courtney Lee because they're too expensive to fit under the cap next year and frankly too hard to match up salary to trade for this year (unless the Wiz include Mahinmi). At one point I was intrigued by some type of blockbuster deal with Denver where we give up Mahinmi, Oubre, Thornton, and a 1st for Chandler, Barton, Nurkic and Nelson (or something like that).

4) We are likely going to have to find a way to dump Nicholson's salary regardless of anything and we have limited assets to use for that and we aren't able to take much 2017-18 salary back unless we make some other move to dump salary. That's why a notional Bojan trade would potentially seem appealing to EG. He uses the pick to dump Nicholson, gets a "sorta ok" bench player and takes on ZERO 17-18 money. Lou Williams almost certainly costs more to acquire and he makes $7 million next year. If you have to trade Smith and a 1st for Williams then what asset do we have to dump Nicholson?

5) Obviously the bench needs help if the Wiz expect to maximize their potential this year. EG loves making deadline deals. But including Smith or Oubre in a trade for another player doesn't add to our depth. I'd hate to trade Oubre anyway but we need his very affordable salary for the next two years.

6) Also don't forget we still have the $2.898 room exception available. We could use that to add someone like Derrick Williams if the Cavs don't keep him and some other China player etc.

7) If we don't go the route above in #6 the ideal guy to add TO ME is Barton because of his all around game AND $3.5 million salary for next year. But what would the price be?

It will definitely be interesting to see what the Wiz do.

[NatP4]

Burke and our 2018 1st for Barton. Cut Marcus Thornton. Use the room exception to sign the best available veteran guard after the buyout period. That's what I would do.

This offseason you draft a player with the 2017 pick on a rookie deal.

F Ted, they can figure out how to avoid the lux tax.

[J-Ves]

I'll happily give up the 2018 first (lotto protected) + Nicholson for win now rentals. 2017 first is off the table unless a actual difference maker is coming back.

[Upper Decker]

I think between now and the 2018 draft the union will agree that players aren't draft eligible until 2 years after H.S. If that's the case, it'd significantly weaken the 2018 by delaying top shelf one and doners. It'd be like the pecherov draft all over again. If ernie blows a 1st trying to rid himself of Nicholson, then the 2018 pick is the way to go.

[Dat2U]

Can we please stop with the RPM, is his total D rating good not, but Lous is only 2 points lover. he is a 105 on total O rating you know who else is? Morris and Jason smith. Two guys who we make pretty good use of. So yeah I think Bogdanavic is the better get because he is cheaper to get, we can potentail get out of Nicholsons long term deal and we can move burke and he can do more for you at more positions than Lou.
Keep in mind bogdanavic is not a SG he is listed as one but he is not a SG. He he a SF who is Better suited for a Small ball 4 off the bench. That and no one is talking about trading our 2017 first for Bogdanavic, No one said that, No one is thinking that, no one reported that. All that was reported is that we have interested in both lou and bogdanavic and that we are willing to give up a future, first and reports add that the team might be willing to use this years. Key word might.

If Lou Williams and Bogdanavic are good then I don't know what bad is.

well if you are going to go off on advanced stats which are really convoluted and tricky to determine from player to player, then Lou is just as bad on defense and he is just as good on offence as Jason smith or Morris. Thats why I don't like advanced stats. you have to watch the dude play and just look at his minutes and base per game percentages and production. That, is how I feel, you get the best look at how good or bad a player is, but that is just my opinion.

Stats are all based on how you a. interpret them b. apply them. Anyone can draw some wacky conclusions based on data but in all honesty the same can be said for judging folks based on the naked eye. I try to rely on both to draw conclusions. Lou not only kills in the advanced stats, his play pops out on the screen. He's clearly been the Lakers best player this season and overall has had a solid NBA career. The Lakers are actually competitive the minutes Lou is on the court. The advanced numbers back this up. Watching the Nets, Bogdanovic barely moves the needle for me. I see Lopez, Booker & Hollis-Jefferson as their best guys. Bogdanovic is more or less a bit piece who's forced into a larger scoring role due to necessity. Comparing the two is like comparing night and day. I fail to understand how you could trumpet the potential acquisition of Bogdanovic but rail against acquiring Lou Will. Both are porous defenders. One is an offensive juggernaut in limited minutes, the other might be better suited playing overseas. I fail to see how Bogdanovic can help any playoff team based on what he's done thus far.

[gambitx777]

Burke and our 2018 1st for Barton. Cut Marcus Thornton. Use the room exception to sign the best available veteran guard after the buyout period. That's what I would do.

This offseason you draft a player with the 2017 pick on a rookie deal.

F Ted, they can figure out how to avoid the lux tax.

I would do that deal in a heart beat and do what you can to get Chicago to take a mahinmi for rondo deal maybe get portis back? idk but A rondo and barton back court would be killer ! They would be a perfect bench Pass and D PG, scoring SG combo.

[Dat2U]

We discussed Bojan on a different board and there are a couple of factors that made me like the idea of trading for him more:

1 - He's supposedly a natural SG. A poster that follows him said he's an oversized SG in the vein of Joe Johnson being a SG.

2 - He'd probably play with Oubre. Oubre can guard 1s and 2s so it doesn't really matter where you play him.

3 - Sato can play some PG and he can also guard 1s, 2s, and 3s. A Sato/Bogdanovich/Oubre line up is huge and I think it has enough scoring and defense to be balanced.

My only issue with Bogdanovich is the cost. I don't like the idea of giving up a first round pick for an expiring at all. If we could get him for Burke or Jason Smith and a second, then I'd be on board. But losing the first rounder and then having him walk this offseason is way too big a potential price to pay.

Looking at 82games.com he's been equally bad at either the 2 or the 3. Considering his height/weight I'm assuming he doesn't have the foot speed to take other 2s off the bounce or defend adequately and that's his real issue. He's a really poor defender. He's not like Lou Will who is such an offensive dynamo that his scoring can offset his weak defense. A horrible team like Nets were better with Bojan OFF the court - on both sides of the ball! I cannot fathom giving up an asset for this guy. Is better than Marcus Thornton? Sure but we need to aim higher than that.

What about for Burke or Smith and a second? Would you make that deal?

As far as being able to score on other 2s, I think he takes them with strength instead of speed because he's got good scoring numbers and does a lot of unassisted scoring at the basket. He's a pretty good shooter too, which is what you'd need for those end of first and third quarter minutes he'd get with Wall. Then he can be a go to scorer for the bench at the start of the second and fourth quarters.

And as far as the defensive issues go, Kelly could guard his man and you could put Bojan on the weaker perimeter player. Most teams won't have multiple dynamic perimeter scorers on their bench, so you should be able to hide him.

I'd rather aim higher. There are likely better players in the NBDL or playing over in China that could offer more than Bogdanovic... and we'd get to keep all of our picks.

Now realistically... if we acquire Bogdanovic and only give up a 2nd... I'd consider it as like we've dodged a bullet because coughing up a 1st for a 2-3 month rental of a bad player is a horrific idea but something very Ernie like.

If we want Burke off the roster bad enough, just cut him... no need selling off picks for guys who aren't even at replacement level (like Bogdanovic).

[mictic]

I think between now and the 2018 draft the union will agree that players aren't draft eligible until 2 years after H.S. If that's the case, it'd significantly weaken the 2018 by delaying top shelf one and doners. It'd be like the pecherov draft all over again. If ernie blows a 1st trying to rid himself of Nicholson, then the 2018 pick is the way to go.

Interesting. Do you have any argument on why you think so? It's the first time I hear of anything like that.

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[NatP4]

Burke and our 2018 1st for Barton. Cut Marcus Thornton. Use the room exception to sign the best available veteran guard after the buyout period. That's what I would do.

This offseason you draft a player with the 2017 pick on a rookie deal.

F Ted, they can figure out how to avoid the lux tax.

I would do that deal in a heart beat and do what you can to get Chicago to take a mahinmi for rondo deal maybe get portis back? idk but A rondo and barton back court would be killer ! They would be a perfect bench Pass and D PG, scoring SG combo.

Bruh, no no no no. The backcourt would be Satoransky and Barton, and then we would look to sign a buyout point guard for depth. No Rondo lol
No Mahinmi trade

[gambitx777]

Burke and our 2018 1st for Barton. Cut Marcus Thornton. Use the room exception to sign the best available veteran guard after the buyout period. That's what I would do.

This offseason you draft a player with the 2017 pick on a rookie deal.

F Ted, they can figure out how to avoid the lux tax.

I would do that deal in a heart beat and do what you can to get Chicago to take a mahinmi for rondo deal maybe get portis back? idk but A rondo and barton back court would be killer ! They would be a perfect bench Pass and D PG, scoring SG combo.

Bruh, no no no no. The backcourt would be Satoransky and Barton, and then we would look to sign a buyout point guard for depth. No Rondo lol
No Mahinmi trade

Sorry man but if you can get Rondo for mahinmi you do it, You jump on it if portis is involved, Rondo is not fully garunteed next year so if you want you can cut him and get instant cap space that Mahinmi was taking up. Rondo is more than adequate enough to back up wall and on a team that is aiming at contending he might be happy with that. Sato is coming along and you can let him ride the pine for a bit and learn and he should be ready next year if you cut rondo. Smith has proven that he can be more that capable of backing up gortat, and you can get what mahinmi give you form a larry saunder/china-Dleague/buy out guy for about 14 less million and no long term commitment. Plus you loose that contract. This automaticly makes it the smarter play if you can do it.

[gambitx777]

I think between now and the 2018 draft the union will agree that players aren't draft eligible until 2 years after H.S. If that's the case, it'd significantly weaken the 2018 by delaying top shelf one and doners. It'd be like the pecherov draft all over again. If ernie blows a 1st trying to rid himself of Nicholson, then the 2018 pick is the way to go.

Interesting. Do you have any argument on why you think so? It's the first time I hear of anything like that.

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Reports have come out that they are going to talk it over again, no real sign they are going to pull the trigger on it.

[pcbothwel]

Can we please stop with the RPM, is his total D rating good not, but Lous is only 2 points lover. he is a 105 on total O rating you know who else is? Morris and Jason smith. Two guys who we make pretty good use of. So yeah I think Bogdanavic is the better get because he is cheaper to get, we can potentail get out of Nicholsons long term deal and we can move burke and he can do more for you at more positions than Lou.
Keep in mind bogdanavic is not a SG he is listed as one but he is not a SG. He he a SF who is Better suited for a Small ball 4 off the bench. That and no one is talking about trading our 2017 first for Bogdanavic, No one said that, No one is thinking that, no one reported that. All that was reported is that we have interested in both lou and bogdanavic and that we are willing to give up a future, first and reports add that the team might be willing to use this years. Key word might.

If Lou Williams and Bogdanavic are good then I don't know what bad is.

well if you are going to go off on advanced stats which are really convoluted and tricky to determine from player to player, then Lou is just as bad on defense and he is just as good on offence as Jason smith or Morris. Thats why I don't like advanced stats. you have to watch the dude play and just look at his minutes and base per game percentages and production. That, is how I feel, you get the best look at how good or bad a player is, but that is just my opinion.

Im not sure what your argument is... Markieff Morris has a few redeeming qualities: 1) Great Contract, 2) He plays really good defense, and 3) He is playing Great offensively over the last 20+ games

So your saying that If you take away Markieff's contract and make him an expiring, replace his defense with Lou Williams level defense, and make his offense as good (Or bad) as it was the first 25 games this year... that would be Bojan... and this is Good? or even playable?