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Kerb Hohl wrote:Seeing the writing on the wall here - saving $2, maybe close to $3 million if Hundley is cut and a clearly more aggressive GM, I will literally post a video of me eating my hat if they don’t aggressively address the CB depth issues partially with these savings and picks.

Last week, a source said the Packers planned to make a strong run at 28-year-old Ram Trumaine Johnson, probably the best cornerback on the unrestricted free-agent market. The problem is that Johnson might warrant a contract averaging about $15 million per year, and unless the Packers either cut or exact pay reductions from wide receivers Randall Cobb and Jordy Nelson it might be a stretch to assume they can afford Johnson. Looming over the franchise is the contract extension for Aaron Rodgers, which is expected to be completed not long after Kirk Cousins signs a new deal.

The Packers’ depth chart at cornerback looks something like this: Kevin King, Herb Waters, Josh Hawkins, Lenzy Pipkins, Demetri Goodson, Quinten Rollins and Donatello Brown. Davon House seems headed for free agency.

Still, I can fully understand where the Packers were coming from regarding Randall. Despite his ball skills and speed, they knew after three years they simply couldn’t count on him.

“How can you depend on him?” an NFL executive in personnel said. “Takes himself out of games. Never played 16 games. He’s got all kinds of ability. He can be a slot or play (outside). But you can’t trust him. He won’t play. He can look great or he can look like a scrub.”

“Most talented player on that defense but he’s a nut case,” said an NFL personnel man familiar with Randall. “He needs to be somewhere where there’s somebody tough.”

You can’t win consistently with an emotional diva like Damarious Randall. When an organization concludes it doesn’t even want a player around the locker room anymore, and that probably was the case in Green Bay, it’s good business to move him when there’s still value and then pressure yourself to get better.

Kerb Hohl wrote:I don’t mind this.

Basically they get to start over with a Hundley project, save $2 million, and move up in 2 rounds.

There is not a chance in hell that the Packers were signing a backup QB of any note. We have zero room for a Ryan Fitzpatrick or Flynn-esque signing.

I’m not a huge fan of Kizer but I guess they must see something in him to at least be a decent backup. If Randall continues to play well, we might lose the trade...but remember, he’s only got 1 year remaining on his deal anyways.

TankWilson wrote:

Kerb Hohl wrote:I don’t mind this.

Basically they get to start over with a Hundley project, save $2 million, and move up in 2 rounds.

There is not a chance in hell that the Packers were signing a backup QB of any note. We have zero room for a Ryan Fitzpatrick or Flynn-esque signing.

I’m not a huge fan of Kizer but I guess they must see something in him to at least be a decent backup. If Randall continues to play well, we might lose the trade...but remember, he’s only got 1 year remaining on his deal anyways.

I read we only saved under a mil once you take in kizer's contract. Not a huge difference but saving the 2 mil you say sounds a lot better.

weezybaby856 wrote:

MickeyDavis wrote:Very curious what the plan is in the defensive backfield

We had a formal meeting with Derwin James at the combine and talked extensively about him playing in the slot. I'm assuming the plan is King on 1 side and Sherman/Fuller/Johnson/Lane/whatever starter we can get via FA on the other side and then James in the Nickel package with HaHa and Jones. I'm atleast hoping/praying that's the plan. Would be legit imo.

I'm guessing we are going to trade 14 and a mid round pick to Oakland for 10 and draft James. Or something a long those lines.

rilamann wrote:

humanrefutation wrote:

rilamann wrote:

Bob McGinn being wrong doesn't give the Packer's front office a pass either. McGinn is a paid professional when it comes to writing and he's pretty damn good at it, and I value his opinion more than the average fan, but that doesn't let TT off the hook.

Keep in mind I probably wouldn't be having this conversation if the Packers had at least offered them deals, even if they were low ball deals.

The injury excuse doesn't fly either, Injury or Dom Capers system shouldn't have prevented TT from evaluating two pro bowl players from an individual talent perspective, assuming if TT was a good evaluator of talent, at least on the defensive side of the ball.

Like there wasn't one thing that these two pro bowl talents did in games or practice during their time in Green Bay that would have made TT at least say, These guys are pretty decent, maybe I should at least offer them $1 to stick around .

On that note,it's pretty easy to see why our defense has been atrocious the past 7 years...lol.

How much blame goes to Capers, though? Obviously, the FO believed that Hayward and Hyde were talented, because they drafted them. Then, outside Casey's rookie year, and some flashes from Hyde, they were disappointing here. They didn't become better until they left. Why were Capers and his staff failing to get the most out of them?

If I'm blaming the FO, it's not because I think they failed to evaluate talent. It's because they put too much faith in Capers.

Even if I agree that Capers was mostly to blame, it still doesn't change my view of the Packer's front office, because then I would ask the obvious question of why did you keep Capers around so long? It wasn't like the defense under Capers got bad yesterday.

From Mike McCarthy still being the Packer's head coach in 2018, to Mike McCarthy starting Brett Hundley 10 games last season, how many times does something have to fail for the Packer's to make a change. Yeah, Capers is gone now, but it was about 5 years too late.

You're basically saying that Ted Thompson trusted Dom Capers more than he trusted himself. You're right, TT thought enough of Hyde and Hayward to draft them, but he thought enough of Capers to let Hayward and Hyde, two players he drafted with pro bowl talent, to walk.

That makes Ted Thompson and the Packer's front office look really bad.

It's like they keep getting rid of good players who look bad because they're playing for bad coaches, but they don't get rid of the bad coaches. Hence why I don't really like trading Randall now that we have a new coordinator.

LUKE23 wrote:Have to say, we aren't in a very good position right now with the massive CB and pass rush holes and not much cap space. They are going to need to absolutely murder the draft.

LUKE23 wrote:Have to say, we aren't in a very good position right now with the massive CB and pass rush holes and not much cap space. They are going to need to absolutely murder the draft.

weezybaby856 wrote:

LUKE23 wrote:Have to say, we aren't in a very good position right now with the massive CB and pass rush holes and not much cap space. They are going to need to absolutely murder the draft.

If Cobb Jordy and Clay are handled the way they need to be then there's plenty of money for free agency. Even forget the draft for a second, those 3 are absolutely murdering our books. Cobb needs cut or traded for a late pick and Jordy and Clay both need to take decent sized pay cuts or they need cut or traded for late picks too.

There's plenty money when it's necessary and I would guess dealing with those 3 properly if high priority because we wouldn't be link to so many high profile players already.

We can still easily come out of this offseason with something like Trumaine/Jeremy Lane/Mo Wilkerson in free agency with the extra money we could have available. And we also have assets now to move up in the draft and I saw rumors we love Derwin James. And my top 2 trade up targets are definitely Roquan 1st and Derwin 2nd. 14, Browns 5th and a 7th or something along those lines should get us up high enough to draft 1 of those 2.

We go into next season with Johnson/Lane/King HaHa/Jones/James and as far as "paper champs" go, we'd have the best 2ndary in the league I'd be willing to bet. *If all were 100% healthy and ready to go.

LUKE23 wrote:I'll believe we have the balls to cut or restructure those guys when I see it.

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