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Re: 2018 Free Agency and Trade Discussion 

Post#1501 » by bigfoot » Tue Jul 3, 2018 4:31 pm

Barkley6 wrote:
bigfoot wrote:Best UFAs currently available

Tyreke Evans
Luc Mbah a Moute
Wayne Ellington
Brook Lopez
Nemanja Bjelica
Isaiah Thomas
Dwayne Wade

Do we have either of our exceptions available for use (biannual or non-tax payer mid-level)? Do we replace Reed or Harrison with another veteran or two? Do we need to get another center or resign Williams?


Some good names, but I doubt the Suns have the cash to afford them. Maybe they dangle Dudley's expiring to do a sign and trade?


If we have our exceptions then we have another $8M and $3M to use.
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Re: 2018 Free Agency and Trade Discussion 

Post#1502 » by bwgood77 » Tue Jul 3, 2018 4:49 pm

bigfoot wrote:
Barkley6 wrote:
bigfoot wrote:Best UFAs currently available

Tyreke Evans
Luc Mbah a Moute
Wayne Ellington
Brook Lopez
Nemanja Bjelica
Isaiah Thomas
Dwayne Wade

Do we have either of our exceptions available for use (biannual or non-tax payer mid-level)? Do we replace Reed or Harrison with another veteran or two? Do we need to get another center or resign Williams?


Some good names, but I doubt the Suns have the cash to afford them. Maybe they dangle Dudley's expiring to do a sign and trade?


If we have our exceptions then we have another $8M and $3M to use.


We don't have MLE. You only get that if you are over the cap. Just the room exception of like 4.49 million or something like that.

And Tyreke signed with the Pacers.
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Re: 2018 Free Agency and Trade Discussion 

Post#1503 » by TOO » Tue Jul 3, 2018 4:54 pm

Why would they dangle Dudleys expiring when it seems the plan is to go into next years FA with as much money as possible?
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Re: 2018 Free Agency and Trade Discussion 

Post#1504 » by darealjuice » Tue Jul 3, 2018 5:02 pm

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2784327-report-jimmy-butler-fed-up-with-nonchalant-timberwolves-karl-anthony-towns

Jimmy Butler 'Fed Up' with 'Nonchalant' Timberwolves, Karl-Anthony Towns and has no intentions of signing an extension. Sounds like there's a good chance he opts out after this season.
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Re: 2018 Free Agency and Trade Discussion 

Post#1505 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Tue Jul 3, 2018 5:03 pm

bigfoot wrote:
Barkley6 wrote:
bigfoot wrote:Best UFAs currently available

Tyreke Evans
Luc Mbah a Moute
Wayne Ellington
Brook Lopez
Nemanja Bjelica
Isaiah Thomas
Dwayne Wade

Do we have either of our exceptions available for use (biannual or non-tax payer mid-level)? Do we replace Reed or Harrison with another veteran or two? Do we need to get another center or resign Williams?


Some good names, but I doubt the Suns have the cash to afford them. Maybe they dangle Dudley's expiring to do a sign and trade?


If we have our exceptions then we have another $8M and $3M to use.


I believe the $8.8 mil is the exception for teams above the cap. I think we have $4.4m and $3.3m to use currently.
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Re: 2018 Free Agency and Trade Discussion 

Post#1506 » by bwgood77 » Tue Jul 3, 2018 5:06 pm

darealjuice wrote:http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2784327-report-jimmy-butler-fed-up-with-nonchalant-timberwolves-karl-anthony-towns

Jimmy Butler 'Fed Up' with 'Nonchalant' Timberwolves, Karl-Anthony Towns and has no intentions of signing an extension. Sounds like there's a good chance he opts out after this season.


Wonder where he'd go...Clippers? Knicks? He's from Houston but they won't have any money.

I guess the Sixers and Lakers would be after him.
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Re: 2018 Free Agency and Trade Discussion 

Post#1507 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Tue Jul 3, 2018 5:10 pm

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darealjuice wrote:http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2784327-report-jimmy-butler-fed-up-with-nonchalant-timberwolves-karl-anthony-towns

Jimmy Butler 'Fed Up' with 'Nonchalant' Timberwolves, Karl-Anthony Towns and has no intentions of signing an extension. Sounds like there's a good chance he opts out after this season.


Wonder where he'd go...Clippers? Knicks? He's from Houston but they won't have any money.

I guess the Sixers and Lakers would be after him.


Jimmy would be a great fit with Lebron. Deng, Kuzma and a 1st for Butler? Can't see Thibs sending an ex-Bull out without getting an ex-Bull back!
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Re: 2018 Free Agency and Trade Discussion 

Post#1508 » by gaspar » Tue Jul 3, 2018 5:20 pm

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darealjuice wrote:http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2784327-report-jimmy-butler-fed-up-with-nonchalant-timberwolves-karl-anthony-towns

Jimmy Butler 'Fed Up' with 'Nonchalant' Timberwolves, Karl-Anthony Towns and has no intentions of signing an extension. Sounds like there's a good chance he opts out after this season.


Wonder where he'd go...Clippers? Knicks? He's from Houston but they won't have any money.

I guess the Sixers and Lakers would be after him.

From the original article:
A league source close to the situation told the Sun-Times on Tuesday that Kyrie Irving and former Bulls All-Star Jimmy Butler are still trying to figure out a way to play together. Whether that means the Celtics try and acquire Butler this summer or the two simply wait a year, both opt out of their player options after the season, and join forces that way.

Either way, the two former Team USA Basketball teammates are looking for a destination to build an elite backcourt, whether that’s in Celtics green or elsewhere in the East.
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Re: 2018 Free Agency and Trade Discussion 

Post#1509 » by bwgood77 » Tue Jul 3, 2018 5:22 pm

gaspar wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
darealjuice wrote:http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2784327-report-jimmy-butler-fed-up-with-nonchalant-timberwolves-karl-anthony-towns

Jimmy Butler 'Fed Up' with 'Nonchalant' Timberwolves, Karl-Anthony Towns and has no intentions of signing an extension. Sounds like there's a good chance he opts out after this season.


Wonder where he'd go...Clippers? Knicks? He's from Houston but they won't have any money.

I guess the Sixers and Lakers would be after him.

From the original article:
A league source close to the situation told the Sun-Times on Tuesday that Kyrie Irving and former Bulls All-Star Jimmy Butler are still trying to figure out a way to play together. Whether that means the Celtics try and acquire Butler this summer or the two simply wait a year, both opt out of their player options after the season, and join forces that way.

Either way, the two former Team USA Basketball teammates are looking for a destination to build an elite backcourt, whether that’s in Celtics green or elsewhere in the East.


Yeah, I saw someone else mention him and Kyrie on the Knicks...who may have read the article. I don't know if they will have two max slots next summer. I don't really see Boston going after Butler.
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Re: 2018 Free Agency and Trade Discussion 

Post#1510 » by bwgood77 » Tue Jul 3, 2018 5:26 pm

From Zach Lowe re Boogie:

As I wrote in May, there was not much of a market for him -- and almost none among teams with cap space once Dallas and DeAndre Jordan pulled the NBA version of college crushes who finally (and sloppily) make the leap when they run into each other at a bar in their mid-20s. This is the legacy of the regrettable 2016 cap spike: too many bloated, preposterous contracts from that summer clogging books today, leaving very little for quality players -- and disproportionately pumping up the power of that mini-midlevel exception. The spike enabled the Warriors to sign Kevin Durant. Now it has wrought this.

A number of teams had a No Cousins policy before he tore his Achilles. That number grew as teams feared committing to what might be a less explosive version of him. Remember: Any contract inked as part of a sign-and-trade must encompass at least three seasons. That might have been too long for teams that would have to send out some meaningful asset for him.

Only the first year's salary in such deals must be guaranteed, meaning teams could trick the system by making the final two nonguaranteed -- $0 if things go badly. That, of course, is unfriendly for Cousins. If he underperforms, the team walks away. Cousins might have been able to earn a little more scratch in 2018-19 under such a contract, but it's unclear if even that kind of deal was out there -- or if he would have cooperated with the Pelicans in arranging it. (Portland and New Orleans had very preliminary talks about a sign-and-trade, sources say, but Portland's salary target is murky and it might have pushed for at least one nonguaranteed year. As ESPN's Chris Haynes reported, the deal never got off the ground -- in part because Cousins and Jusuf Nurkic, Portland's incumbent free-agent center, share an agent.)

Play well leading into those nonguaranteed years and the team has you for the next two seasons at a below-market rate. Cousins now gets to prove himself with Golden State, and slip back on the market just as more space opens up.

By the middle of Monday, Cousins' people were calling teams and pitching deals: one-year, $15 million in one place, per sources, other numbers in other places. Clearly, there was not much interest. It might be that the richest deal easily and quickly available to him was that full midlevel exception contract starting at around $8.6 million.

Any team offering that -- and I'm not sure as of this writing that one did -- might have sensed its leverage and tried to coax Cousins into a two-year deal at that price. For many of them, that was the smart play. Cousins would have justifiably resisted. Others are hoarding cap space for the summer of 2019 and so would have restricted their offers to one season.

A one-year deal didn't make much sense for almost any other team beyond Golden State. (The Celtics tried, per Haynes, but are not busted up about missing out. The Rockets, always hungry for stars, may have some remorse about not chasing Cousins at this price -- though they could not guarantee him a starting spot, perhaps a dealbreaker.)


http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23979341/zach-lowe-demarcus-cousins-golden-state-warriors-nba

I thought he'd have a hard time finding a deal, particularly once Dallas signed Jordan, and I wouldn't have wanted to give him much money past a year either because there is a good chance he's damaged goods. Even if we didn't have Ayton. Could be a killer if you gave him a long term deal. But there were rumors we had that no Cousins policy in place before the injury anyway.
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Re: 2018 Free Agency and Trade Discussion 

Post#1511 » by PhxLax » Tue Jul 3, 2018 5:48 pm

TOO wrote:Why would they dangle Dudleys expiring when it seems the plan is to go into next years FA with as much money as possible?


said that in 2014
said that in 2015
said that in 2016
said that in 2017
saying it now in 2018

and will definitely be saying same thing next year in 2019 when NO FREE AGENTS sign here and then everybody including beat writers will say, cause they trying to save cap space in 2020.

At what point do u stop and pause and think about the here and NOW? Rather than diverting the fun out of watching basketball and keep postponing everything to "next summer" as we have for the last 5-6 years...maybe more? At what point does "next summer" not become applicable cause as far as I know the Earth gonna keep spinning and summers will come and go and life goes on. This isn't fun anymore.

Come on. On tired of this waiting game. It's been going on for 5 years. I'm getting old. We're getting tired. It's a broken record. Every single offseason --- and this isn't a hyperbole --- is the same exact talk: Cause we wanna wait until next summer. Next summer for WHAT??!?! You really think all this preservation of cap space year in and year out will amount to some giant Anthony Davis, Durant, Boogie signing?

No.
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Post#1512 » by bwgood77 » Tue Jul 3, 2018 5:49 pm

Time to vote for respect... viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1721930&start=60
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Re: 2018 Free Agency and Trade Discussion 

Post#1513 » by PhxLax » Tue Jul 3, 2018 5:52 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
darealjuice wrote:http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2784327-report-jimmy-butler-fed-up-with-nonchalant-timberwolves-karl-anthony-towns

Jimmy Butler 'Fed Up' with 'Nonchalant' Timberwolves, Karl-Anthony Towns and has no intentions of signing an extension. Sounds like there's a good chance he opts out after this season.


Wonder where he'd go...Clippers? Knicks? He's from Houston but they won't have any money.

I guess the Sixers and Lakers would be after him.


I hear suns needs some wings/forwards badly. nah, but wait, management can convince he can play backup center really well.
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Re: 2018 Free Agency and Trade Discussion 

Post#1514 » by NTB » Tue Jul 3, 2018 5:53 pm

PhxLax wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
darealjuice wrote:http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2784327-report-jimmy-butler-fed-up-with-nonchalant-timberwolves-karl-anthony-towns

Jimmy Butler 'Fed Up' with 'Nonchalant' Timberwolves, Karl-Anthony Towns and has no intentions of signing an extension. Sounds like there's a good chance he opts out after this season.


Wonder where he'd go...Clippers? Knicks? He's from Houston but they won't have any money.

I guess the Sixers and Lakers would be after him.


I hear suns needs some wings/forwards badly. nah, but wait, management can convince he can play backup center really well.


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Re: 2018 Free Agency and Trade Discussion 

Post#1515 » by Mjee » Tue Jul 3, 2018 5:56 pm

Kyrie and Jimmy Butler wanna play on the same team next year ???? Suns can make that happen :D

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Re: 2018 Free Agency and Trade Discussion 

Post#1516 » by gaspar » Tue Jul 3, 2018 6:03 pm

Read on Twitter


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Post#1517 » by PhxLax » Tue Jul 3, 2018 6:03 pm

Mjeezy2006 wrote:Kyrie and Jimmy Butler wanna play on the same team next year ???? Suns can make that happen :D

Kyrie
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Jimmy B
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Re: 2018 Free Agency and Trade Discussion 

Post#1518 » by BobbieL » Tue Jul 3, 2018 6:05 pm

TOO wrote:Why would they dangle Dudleys expiring when it seems the plan is to go into next years FA with as much money as possible?


You dangle Dudley or Chandler if you can get the right player longer term. A player signed for multiple years to a team that wants cap space next summer.

Highly unlikely as everybody wants cap space it seems.

As for the use of the 4.4 exception - if the team finds a PG via trade and doesn’t need to use- my suggestion: kevon looney
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Re: 2018 Free Agency and Trade Discussion 

Post#1519 » by BobbieL » Tue Jul 3, 2018 6:05 pm

gaspar wrote:
Read on Twitter


Bad week for the Rockets gets even worse.

I think they trade Ariza for a 7.5 TPE and use that for Korver.
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Re: 2018 Free Agency and Trade Discussion 

Post#1520 » by NTB » Tue Jul 3, 2018 6:09 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
bigfoot wrote:
Barkley6 wrote:
Some good names, but I doubt the Suns have the cash to afford them. Maybe they dangle Dudley's expiring to do a sign and trade?


If we have our exceptions then we have another $8M and $3M to use.


We don't have MLE. You only get that if you are over the cap. Just the room exception of like 4.49 million or something like that.

And Tyreke signed with the Pacers.


Read on Twitter


I think that Tyreke news was not correct.
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