Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Trade Deadline 2/6/25 - 2:00 p.m. CDT

[soxperry]

I get the fact that Khris doesn't fit with Giannis and Dame very well, but the second we would trade him, our biggest need would become a guy who can score and play make off the bench.

To me it just seems like the real answer is to trade Bobby and whatever else and get an athletic guy that defend and hit a three

So really if it's not going to be Jimmy Butler then I don't really see the point

Why don't you think Khris fits with Dame and Giannis? The pairing works great.

Dame bad defender, Khris slow defender. Would be ideal to only play one of them at a time.

Also, both Dame and Khris kinda need the ball to be at their best, and with Giannis having a set level of usage, it becomes hard math

[ShootingtheJ]

I get the fact that Khris doesn't fit with Giannis and Dame very well, but the second we would trade him, our biggest need would become a guy who can score and play make off the bench.

To me it just seems like the real answer is to trade Bobby and whatever else and get an athletic guy that defend and hit a three

So really if it's not going to be Jimmy Butler then I don't really see the point

Why don't you think Khris fits with Dame and Giannis? The pairing works great.

Dame bad defender, Khris slow defender. Would be ideal to only play one of them at a time.

Also, both Dame and Khris kinda need the ball to be at their best, and with Giannis having a set level of usage, it becomes hard math

Khris is really good off ball too. Dame is improving off ball. Dame/ Khris pick and rolls have shown results, especially with Giannis doing 45 cuts opposite of them. The fact that Khris is slow doesn't affect his defensive effectiveness, he still often takes the 2nd best perimeter player when he's on the floor.

[BigO]

So now we know the dividing line for insanity for posters on this board is Zach Lavine.

We all wanted no part of Beal, but now a significant number here are talking themselves into getting Zach Lavine as a championship piece.

If I'm Horst, this Board must give him a lot of enjoyment and a huge ego.

Zach LaVine made an Olympic team. Would think that would bring some respect to his name.

That's what I thought about BP making the USA team.

Would I take Lavine for free? Absolutely. For KM and a bad contract? No.

[BigO]

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41. Jimmy Butler (46.0)

58. Zach LaVine (70.0)

202. Bradley Beal (198.8)

How can this be? BP as the 4th most valuable Buck?

Because most of those things are counting stats and not normalized for minutes played and Bobby has played the 4th most minutes. But don't let that stop your narrative.

Middleton has played 600 minutes less than Portis, less than half his minutes, and has almost passed him.

So I guess the fact that Jokic, SGA and Giannis are 1, 2 and 3 is just a coincidence. I agree that there is a narrative going on.

[ShootingtheJ]

How can this be? BP as the 4th most valuable Buck?

Because most of those things are counting stats and not normalized for minutes played and Bobby has played the 4th most minutes. But don't let that stop your narrative.

Middleton has played 600 minutes less than Portis, less than half his minutes, and has almost passed him.

So I guess the fact that Jokic, SGA and Giannis are 1, 2 and 3 is just a coincidence. I agree that there is narrative going on.

Portis had played well for awhile now, and the numbers show that. Bobby/Giannis lineups have now outperformed Brook/Giannis lineups.

[KidA24]

How can this be? BP as the 4th most valuable Buck?

Because most of those things are counting stats and not normalized for minutes played and Bobby has played the 4th most minutes. But don't let that stop your narrative.

Middleton has played 600 minutes less than Portis, less than half his minutes, and has almost passed him.

So I guess the fact that Jokic, SGA and Giannis are 1, 2 and 3 is just a coincidence. I agree that there is narrative going on.

The best players in the league have the most counting stats? I can't fathom how that could be?

[JayMKE]

LaVine doesn’t check the boxes in being a capable defender or willing passer, too much money for a guy who pounds the ball and doesn’t contribute to winning plus misses tons of games in his own right.


Ingram is probably the next guy after Jimmy but that’s a big drop off, I’m not sure Ingram is much better than Khris.

[Siefer]

Looking forward to the next advanced metric that aggregates all the previous aggregate metrics.

[Bernman]

Dame bad defender, Khris slow defender. Would be ideal to only play one of them at a time.

Also, both Dame and Khris kinda need the ball to be at their best, and with Giannis having a set level of usage, it becomes hard math

Khris is not slow for a 4. Nobody handcuffed Doc and made him not do Giannis at 5, Khris at 4.

Even the Portis-Giannis-Khris-Dame lineups have posted really positive ret ratings. It's when the lineup includes Brook-Khris (at 3)-Dame when it really falls apart. Last year they had a great net rating though, so that could turnaround.

Khris-Dame-Giannis works on o cuz the Khris-Giannis 2-man game is insanely efficient & Khris is a mid-post slumpbuster when Dame can't hit from long range & Giannis to the hoop. Giannis' mid-range comes & goes cuz it's not 2nd nature like Khris'.

[emunney]

Looking forward to the next advanced metric that aggregates all the previous aggregate metrics.

They call them catch-alls but do any of them catch anything that isn't captured by a box score? They're all just mildly different interpretations of the same data.

[drew881]

Looking forward to the next advanced metric that aggregates all the previous aggregate metrics.

They call them catch-alls but do any of them catch anything that isn't captured by a box score? They're all just mildly different interpretations of the same data.

If you do enough aggregates LeBron James is Tyler Herro. That’s like measuring from your taint.

[German Athens]

Looking forward to the next advanced metric that aggregates all the previous aggregate metrics.

They call them catch-alls but do any of them catch anything that isn't captured by a box score? They're all just mildly different interpretations of the same data.

This has long irked me, and you see it all over the place.

People will site BPM, EPM, and LEBRON, or other metrics that fall in the same vein, with the conclusion that one player leads in all those categories, so he must be the best.

The reality is they’re all on/off stats, so they’re using largely the same methodology, and that methodology isn’t the only way to measure impact.

Pick stats that have entirely different approaches and compare those instead.


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[raferfenix]

Miami missing the playoffs would be a mess for them.

Helps explain why they didn’t trade Jimmy in the summer. And also where Middleton could be viewed as a risky but high ceiling pickup:

Miami wants to make the playoffs this season, so that their first-round draft pick will convey to the Oklahoma City Thunder in the 2025 NBA Draft. If that pick does not convey, it will roll over to the 2026 draft with no protections. That will then force the Heat to give the Charlotte Hornets an unprotected first-round pick in the 2028 draft. If the Heat convey the pick to the Thunder this year, they owe the Hornets a lottery-protected pick in 2027.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/278905/Heat-Looking-For-Win-Now-Players-On-Short-Term-Contracts-In-Jimmy-Butler-Trade

[pifhluk23]

Other than Butler I haven't seen any other players available that give us a higher ceiling than just keeping Khris and hoping he can play 30mpg for 4 straight series. Miami keeps repeating they want 1-2 year contract win now players, that's literally us.

Bam
Bobby
Khris
Herro
Rozier

That's a playoff team for sure. I think he ends up here, Phoenix just can't offer what we can and I haven't seen any other teams mentioned as interested. Team chemistry concerns me with Butler but at this point you just go all in and pray.

[raferfenix]

Bucks - Raptors - Heat could do a comparatively simple three way trade not even needing another team for Milwaukee to duck the 2nd apron.

I think Horst either is leery of Jimmy or just won’t offer the 2031 first and that’s the hold up.

"They want to get involved in any Jimmy Butler trade,” one general manager told Jake Fischer of The Stein Line.

The Raptors are reportedly offering Bruce Brown and his expiring $23 million contract in deals. Toronto is unlikely to retain Brown following this season. That makes his contract an attractive trade asset and could go a long way towards matching salary in what is likely to be a complicated Butler trade.

The Heat are said to have interest in acquiring Brown. The veteran guard played his college ball at the University of Miami. In addition, Brown would fit the Heat's goal of acquiring win-now veterans on short-term contracts.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/278906/Raptors-Want-To-Be-Involved-As-Facilitators-In-Any-Jimmy-Butler-Trade

[emunney]

Looking forward to the next advanced metric that aggregates all the previous aggregate metrics.

They call them catch-alls but do any of them catch anything that isn't captured by a box score? They're all just mildly different interpretations of the same data.

This has long irked me, and you see it all over the place.

People will site BPM, EPM, and LEBRON, or other metrics that fall in the same vein, with the conclusion that one player leads in all those categories, so he must be the best.

The reality is they’re all on/off stats, so they’re using largely the same methodology, and that methodology isn’t the only way to measure impact.

Pick stats that have entirely different approaches and compare those instead.


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I don't think it's stupid, as a kind of back-of-envelope meta-analysis, but I also think those stats are all inherently incomplete and context-dependent in the exact same ways, so aggregating them isn't exactly bringing together a wide swath of perspectives in the way you'd hope.

[soxperry]

Miami missing the playoffs would be a mess for them.

Helps explain why they didn’t trade Jimmy in the summer. And also where Middleton could be viewed as a risky but high ceiling pickup:

Miami wants to make the playoffs this season, so that their first-round draft pick will convey to the Oklahoma City Thunder in the 2025 NBA Draft. If that pick does not convey, it will roll over to the 2026 draft with no protections. That will then force the Heat to give the Charlotte Hornets an unprotected first-round pick in the 2028 draft. If the Heat convey the pick to the Thunder this year, they owe the Hornets a lottery-protected pick in 2027.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/278905/Heat-Looking-For-Win-Now-Players-On-Short-Term-Contracts-In-Jimmy-Butler-Trade

that's a very important aspect. wow.

so this talk of trading Jimmy in the offseason has to be bull. there's no way you feel good about the playoffs with Jimmy still on the team. You just have no idea what he will do.

and Jimmy doesn't have a no trade clause, so it doesn't matter where he wants to go.

[soxperry]

Bucks - Raptors - Heat could do a comparatively simple three way trade not even needing another team for Milwaukee to duck the 2nd apron.

I think Horst either is leery of Jimmy or just won’t offer the 2031 first and that’s the hold up.

"They want to get involved in any Jimmy Butler trade,” one general manager told Jake Fischer of The Stein Line.

The Raptors are reportedly offering Bruce Brown and his expiring $23 million contract in deals. Toronto is unlikely to retain Brown following this season. That makes his contract an attractive trade asset and could go a long way towards matching salary in what is likely to be a complicated Butler trade.

The Heat are said to have interest in acquiring Brown. The veteran guard played his college ball at the University of Miami. In addition, Brown would fit the Heat's goal of acquiring win-now veterans on short-term contracts.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/278906/Raptors-Want-To-Be-Involved-As-Facilitators-In-Any-Jimmy-Butler-Trade

i dont see why we would need to send the 31 1st in a Jimmy Trade. Khris + Bobby is enough. If they want more than that they can ship him somewhere else.

[Siefer]

Detroit has to think resigning Ingram to a max is a good idea. I think NOLA does this for Holland and our future first.

Jones immediately makes us better, but is he worth the first?

[BigO]

Does anyone believe the Bucks would really trade to get Lavine at a salary of 46 million next year and 49 million the year after?