Knicks emerge as front runners for Jamal Crawford?

[DowNY]

It must be that the Knicks said "Please wait for Jamal to decide. If not you can have the $2.5M." If so, I don't like that at all.

Really? Crawford at $2.5 mil is an amazing steal, regardless if people hate him as a fit for this team.

Shawne at $2.5 for 2 years, isn't a bad deal, but I would prefer if he signed for the vet min.

But Crawford would walk at the end of the season. We're not winning the title this season so whatever he brings to the table is irrelevant. Shawne brings us one step closer to the goal of championship by 2015.

I wish I knew why you feel like we don't have a chance for the title this year.

[E86]

Fields is a RFA next season. We don't need too many FAs to deal with.

But limited to the Gilbert Arenas clause of the CBA. Fields won't be a free agent concern next year, particularly now that creating cap space isn't an issue at all next year.

Funny enough the Gilbert Arenas clause in the new CBA is the amnesty clause.

[BasicBall]

It must be that the Knicks said "Please wait for Jamal to decide. If not you can have the $2.5M." If so, I don't like that at all.

Purple should be loyal to NY, they gave a chance to get back into the league. No one else was giving him a chance. I am impressed with his loyalty. I wanted Jamal & Syrup...I'll take Syrup now...Jamal aint leaving 5 million on the table, nor should he.

Good because Jamal is a bad basketball player.

I respectfully, wholeheartedly disagree!

[seren]

Fields is a RFA next season. We don't need too many FAs to deal with.

But limited to the Gilbert Arenas clause of the CBA. Fields won't be a free agent concern next year, particularly now that creating cap space isn't an issue at all next year.

I think it is an issue. We need to stay well enough under luxury tax to have the full mid-level available. Otherwise, we are restricted to mini mid-level which dramatically reduces our chances to get a really good PG.

Chandler/Melo/Amare takes up about 53 million already. Plus Iman, Balkman and TD eating up another 5.5 million. Fields' cap hold is the mid-level according to the old rules which is 5 million. That is 63.5 million for 7 players.

[seren]

It boggles my mind how people can turn their noses up at Jamal. He's a full notch and a half better than anyone outside our starting front court.

Toney, Landry, Iman, bibby = back ups!!! Not top 15 players at their positions. Probably not top 30 players at their positions! Jamal is easily top 15, maybe top 10 shooting guard. You can make a case for him ahead of all but five or so shooting guards in the league.

That is strictly your opinion. Especially the part about Jamal being top 10.

[Fat Kat]

It boggles my mind how people can turn their noses up at Jamal. He's a full notch and a half better than anyone outside our starting front court.

Toney, Landry, Iman, bibby = back ups!!! Not top 15 players at their positions. Probably not top 30 players at their positions! Jamal is easily top 15, maybe top 10 shooting guard. You can make a case for him ahead of all but five or so shooting guards in the league.

Hmmm. Why isn't this stud signed yet?

[MSGLegendNY]

We need to grab Purp.

[ORANGEandBLUE]

But Crawford would walk at the end of the season. We're not winning the title this season so whatever he brings to the table is irrelevant. Shawne brings us one step closer to the goal of championship by 2015.

I wish I knew why you feel like we don't have a chance for the title this year.

No legit point guard and no front court depth.

[knicksosmoove]

It boggles my mind how people can turn their noses up at Jamal. He's a full notch and a half better than anyone outside our starting front court.

Toney, Landry, Iman, bibby = back ups!!! Not top 15 players at their positions. Probably not top 30 players at their positions! Jamal is easily top 15, maybe top 10 shooting guard. You can make a case for him ahead of all but five or so shooting guards in the league.

That is strictly your opinion. Especially the part about Jamal being top 10.

I don't think anything I said was particularly controversial

Toney is a top 15 point guard? Top 30? No he's a back up.
Is bibby top 15 or top 30? Lol.
Is Landry a top 15 shooting guard or small forward? No. Maybe he's top 30 at one of those positions, but for starters he's one of the worst. He possesses way below average handle for a guard.

Shumpert is a rookie. Who knows what he is. Maybe he's Dwyane Wade 2.0. Maybe he's nothing.

Jamal is easily a top 15 shooting guard, and has a case for being better than anyone outside a handful of the very top guys. He is an elitely skilled dribbler.

The "top 15" stuff is just for me to get the point across that Jamal is a starter and those guys are role players. That's the sort of depth we need now. You can get the role players later.

[god shammgod]

He is an elitely skilled dribbler.

and that's about it, he's mediocre at every other aspect of the game.

[vinnie_vegas69]

Fields is a RFA next season. We don't need too many FAs to deal with.

But limited to the Gilbert Arenas clause of the CBA. Fields won't be a free agent concern next year, particularly now that creating cap space isn't an issue at all next year.

Funny enough the Gilbert Arenas clause in the new CBA is the amnesty clause.

For the sake of clarity the amnesty clause should be known as the Rashard Lewis clause, given that Gilbert Arenas already has a clause named after him.

[towelie]

He is an elitely skilled dribbler.

and that's about it, he's mediocre at every other aspect of the game.

Not true. He's at least above average at making half-court shots.

[knicksosmoove]

If all Jamal can do is dribble then toney can't do anything,

[EdgeOf]

Indiana Pacers offer Jamal Crawford a 2 year ten million dollar contract with one year opt out (espn)

[truth serum]

Indiana Pacers offer Jamal Crawford a 2 year ten million dollar contract with one year opt out (espn)

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[Red Vines]

I think he'll be a Knick. He wants to be a Knick, will he turn down the chance to return and start on a contending team for an extra $2.5 mil which is probably half of that after taxes?

[suicidedeuce]

If all Jamal can do is dribble then toney can't do anything,

Last year Douglas had a statistically significantly higher assist rate (21.5 to 17.5), he had a statistically significantly lower TO rate (7.8 to 10.6), and he has a statistically significantly higher rebounding rate (7.1 to 3.4).

And while there is some debate as to Douglas' defensive production, I think it a safe assumption that Douglas is the much better player on D.

Douglas also shot from a higher percentage than Crawford from three point range.

Crawford does two things demonstratively better than Douglas, he gets into the paint for more close-range shots (for a superior overall shooting %) and gets fouled more often.

Those are relevant, important skills, no doubt, but I don't think it offsets Douglas' superior production in all those other areas in the landslide some would have you believe.

There are metrics by which Douglas was the more overall productive player last season, and the good news is he's just a third year player who we know played through a shoulder injury last season.

Crawford is largely state of the art.

[KnicksScholar24]

Wow, Crawford gets a 103 page thread? Well, it looks like he's going to get a 2 year MLE ($10M) deal from the Pacers. The Pacers are going well with their cap space, and they aren't offering deals much longer than 2 years.

[NYMNYKFN10]

JCrossover Jamal Crawford
There's pro's and cons about the remaining teams I could be playing for this year..#confused

At least he's still considering us?

[cgmw]

I think the thing nobody's just coming out and saying is this:

The reason that Jamal Crawford -- for all his other strengths and weaknesses -- is such a lightning rod with Knicks fans is that epitomizes the part of D'Antoni many fans hate, and he reminds all of us of a time that's better forgotten.

That said, if the price is right, of course you nab him. He's undeniably talented at a position of need. But of all the fan bases in the world, you can expect a lot of resistance from Knicks fans because a lot of people are fed up with moar threes, and nobody wants anything to do with the Isiah Thomas Dark Ages.