'14 Draft Thread - Parker Declares. List your top 4

[SupremeHustle]

If you're going strictly off of highlights, I have no idea how you can think Exum ISN'T a point guard but Lavine IS. Exum has shown much more in that area regardless of whether you think he's a PG or not.

Just concur that highlights show that Exum is definitely a PG, especially in his final ASC game in December. He can play either position but he's a point guard to begin with.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNRGoik0q58[/youtube]

Ok, I don't mean to be a dick or instigate anything, but based on those highlights, he looks like a SG that can pass fairly well, or he looks like a PG with no left hand who's only move is to dribble with his right hand quickly to his left side in hopes he can blow by the 6 foot Junior Varsity guy guarding him.

People knock Wiggins handle, and that could be really old footage, but this kind of seems like the Emperors new wardrobe kind of thing. People were throwing things like ELITE first step out there, and while I agree his one move to the left is solid, I am just not sure it is ELITE compared to NBA players.

Can't wait to see more of him, but that video doesn't do a damn thing to make me think 6'6 Tony Parker. Maybe I need to go back and watch the world championship games or whatever it is called.

Yep.

[ekpecNurollduh]

Exum looks like he'll be good, but he's just not near the same class athletically as Wiggins imo. All about potential... Just gotta stay focused... Keeping my eye on the prize. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJJQNaKczLY[/youtube]

[SupremeHustle]

Just read something interesting. Here's the list of non-American PGs that have made the All Star team:

1. Steve Nash
2. Tony Parker

The last international guard taken in the top ten was Ricky Rubio.

[jakecronus8]

Exum is certainly a point guard. Not in the Rondo or Paul mold, but more in the Wall or Rose mold. The true pg is a dying breed. I feel like everyone wants that old school floor general, but in today's nba there's not much need for it given the amount of skilled ball handlers on the wings.

By today's standards, Exum is certainly a point guard, and one with a top 5 ceiling. #4 could end up being a great thing. He has a chance to be the best player in the class.

If we walk away with one of Wiggins, Exum or Embiid ill be convincing myself we got the best player in the draft.

[Newz]

Just read something interesting. Here's the list of non-American PGs that have made the All Star team:

1. Steve Nash
2. Tony Parker

The last international guard taken in the top ten was Ricky Rubio.

Wouldn't the list of non-American players to make the All Star team be pretty short for almost every position? Non-American players just started to come around in the mid-90's pretty much. It's only been 15-20 years.

[skones]

Maybe I've seen the wrong Exum highlights. Where are the clips with the Penny Hardaway vision and the Tony Parker finishes? I'm going to DX to rewatch some vids right now. You dudes are usually pretty sharp so maybe I'm trippin.

He doesn't have excellent vision and I'm not sure he ever will. With that being said, he's not a selfish player and he's going to be very dangerous in both the pick and roll and the draw and kick game. He'll need to work on his finishing to a degree, but the comparison was made because he's going to live in the lane. Like Tony Parker, while not being terribly vertically explosive his quickness is elite.

[SupremeHustle]

Just read something interesting. Here's the list of non-American PGs that have made the All Star team:

1. Steve Nash
2. Tony Parker

The last international guard taken in the top ten was Ricky Rubio.

Wouldn't the list of non-American players to make the All Star team be pretty short for almost every position? Non-American players just started to come around in the mid-90's pretty much. It's only been 15-20 years.

Are you saying they're not good enough yet? They need more time?

[jakecronus8]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udv_mlTycf0[/youtube]

Looks like a PG to me.

[Newz]

Just read something interesting. Here's the list of non-American PGs that have made the All Star team:

1. Steve Nash
2. Tony Parker

The last international guard taken in the top ten was Ricky Rubio.

Wouldn't the list of non-American players to make the All Star team be pretty short for almost every position? Non-American players just started to come around in the mid-90's pretty much. It's only been 15-20 years.

Are you saying they're not good enough yet? They need more time?

I'm just saying that basketball wasn't a worldwide sport like it is these days even back in the 90's. Look at how the Dream Team just rolled over everyone because a lot of great athletes from other countries weren't playing basketball. Then post-Dream Team it became far more difficult for the US to win gold (or we didn't win it at all).

More talented people are playing basketball as opposed to other sports overseas now. They are producing more NBA leve players and the NBA is being stocked with more international talent by the year.

I'm just saying that the list won't be that big for any position because it's only a 15-20 year sample... a sample that includes the game just finally developing internationally and only getting more popular.

I guess I'm just saying that Nash and Parker being the only non-US players to make an all-star game wouldn't stop me from taking an international player.

[SupremeHustle]

Exum is certainly a point guard. Not in the Rondo or Paul mold, but more in the Wall or Rose mold. The true pg is a dying breed. I feel like everyone wants that old school floor general, but in today's nba there's not much need for it given the amount of skilled ball handlers on the wings.

By today's standards, Exum is certainly a point guard, and one with a top 5 ceiling. #4 could end up being a great thing. He has a chance to be the best player in the class.

If we walk away with one of Wiggins, Exum or Embiid ill be convincing myself we got the best player in the draft.

If we take Exum, I'll be hoping we got the best player in the draft, but hope only works in political campaigns and The Shawshank Redemption.

[jakecronus8]

Supreme, there's more than hope. The kid is legit. Kinda glad this Exum debate started. I haven't watched a ton on him for a few months, but some of the stuff I'm seeing is close to making him #1 on my board. The length he and Giannis would provide would be crazy. If Sanders comes back to form you could have a top 5 defense next year. I'd probably start Middleton and Ersan with them to stretch the floor (if we're trying to win next year).

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqCIAEczDug[/youtube]

[ReasonablySober]

Nice writeup on Damien Inglis over at DX with video. At the very least it looks like you'd be getting a longer, more athletic LRMAM with upside due to his age. He's an ideal stash candidate.

DX has him going forty. If the Bucks pass on him twice in the 2nd round I'll be pissed.

[SupremeHustle]

Wouldn't the list of non-American players to make the All Star team be pretty short for almost every position? Non-American players just started to come around in the mid-90's pretty much. It's only been 15-20 years.

Are you saying they're not good enough yet? They need more time?

I'm just saying that basketball wasn't a worldwide sport like it is these days even back in the 90's. Look at how the Dream Team just rolled over everyone because a lot of great athletes from other countries weren't playing basketball. Then post-Dream Team it became far more difficult for the US to win gold (or we didn't win it at all).

More talented people are playing basketball as opposed to other sports overseas now. They are producing more NBA leve players and the NBA is being stocked with more international talent by the year.

I'm just saying that the list won't be that big for any position because it's only a 15-20 year sample... a sample that includes the game just finally developing internationally and only getting more popular.

I guess I'm just saying that Nash and Parker being the only non-US players to make an all-star game wouldn't stop me from taking an international player.

The only guards. You can add Kyrie to the list, also, I suppose.

My point is, the best international PGs don't usually turn into NBA stars. They come from teams where they get to dominate the ball, but come to the states and have to fit into a role. Some manage to do okay. I mean, I Jose Calderon and Dragic are nice, but I'm not using a top 7 lotto pick on them.

And that's the thing with Exum. I've only seen him work on teams where he dominates the ball. Since I don't think he's a PG in the NBA, I don't see a team letting him dominate the ball. Hence my reasoning for him ultimately being a SG, or worse. A PG/SG backup.

I'd bet that the international big men fair better in the NBA than the guards/wings on a whole.

[jakecronus8]

Are you saying they're not good enough yet? They need more time?

I'm just saying that basketball wasn't a worldwide sport like it is these days even back in the 90's. Look at how the Dream Team just rolled over everyone because a lot of great athletes from other countries weren't playing basketball. Then post-Dream Team it became far more difficult for the US to win gold (or we didn't win it at all).

More talented people are playing basketball as opposed to other sports overseas now. They are producing more NBA leve players and the NBA is being stocked with more international talent by the year.

I'm just saying that the list won't be that big for any position because it's only a 15-20 year sample... a sample that includes the game just finally developing internationally and only getting more popular.

I guess I'm just saying that Nash and Parker being the only non-US players to make an all-star game wouldn't stop me from taking an international player.

The only guards. You can add Kyrie to the list, also, I suppose.

My point is, the best international PGs don't usually turn into NBA stars. They come from teams where they get to dominate the ball, but come to the states and have to fit into a role. Some manage to do okay. I mean, I Jose Calderon and Dragic are nice, but I'm not using a top 7 lotto pick on them.

And that's the thing with Exum. I've only seen him work on teams where he dominates the ball. Since I don't think he's a PG in the NBA, I don't see a team letting him dominate the ball. Hence my reasoning for him ultimately being a SG, or worse. A PG/SG backup.

I'd bet that the international big men fair better in the NBA than the guards/wings on a whole.

Based on what you've seen, why do you think he's not a point guard?

[White+Purple]

Wouldn't the list of non-American players to make the All Star team be pretty short for almost every position? Non-American players just started to come around in the mid-90's pretty much. It's only been 15-20 years.

PG: Parker
SG: Manu
SF: Deng, Stojakovic
PF: Pau, Dirk, Kirilenko
C: Hakeem, Okur, M.Gasol, Divac, Yao, Mutombo, Ilgauskas, Smits

[Waukee Taukee]

Supreme, there's more than hope. The kid is legit. Kinda glad this Exum debate started. I haven't watched a ton on him for a few months, but some of the stuff I'm seeing is close to making him #1 on my board. The length he and Giannis would provide would be crazy. If Sanders comes back to form you could have a top 5 defense next year. I'd probably start Middleton and Ersan with them to stretch the floor (if we're trying to win next year).

It's a better debate than Parker v. Wiggins on offense while ignoring the fact that one of them can't play defense.

[Newz]

Wouldn't the list of non-American players to make the All Star team be pretty short for almost every position? Non-American players just started to come around in the mid-90's pretty much. It's only been 15-20 years.

PG: Parker
SG: Manu
SF: Deng, Stojakovic
PF: Pau, Dirk, Kirilenko
C: Hakeem, Okur, M.Gasol, Divac, Yao, Mutombo, Ilgauskas, Smits

Yeah. Nash made it at PG too.

So yeah, the list is pretty short at every position besides C. As more and more international talent starts to play basketball I think odds are that those lists won't be that short for long.

[SupremeHustle]

Supreme, there's more than hope. The kid is legit. Kinda glad this Exum debate started. I haven't watched a ton on him for a few months, but some of the stuff I'm seeing is close to making him #1 on my board. The length he and Giannis would provide would be crazy. If Sanders comes back to form you could have a top 5 defense next year. I'd probably start Middleton and Ersan with them to stretch the floor (if we're trying to win next year).

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqCIAEczDug[/youtube]

The one at 1:17 was impressive. Jordan-esque, even.

I hadn't seen this. He looks good, no doubt. I just don't think he's an NBA PG.

[Badgerlander]

I think we'll see a lot more Dragic+Bledsoe type backcourts becoming more popular with PnR teams and PGs having success against iso teams in the playoffs the last few years. Beno was tearing it up for the Griz just like he did with the Spurs, and Lin and Greivis had a few good games as well. I'm really surprised that OKC hasn't moved Westbrook to SG and started Jackson. I think the iso heavy PGs will continue to be starting PGs but we'll see a lot more euro PGs getting solid minutes off the bench.

[SupremeHustle]

I'm just saying that basketball wasn't a worldwide sport like it is these days even back in the 90's. Look at how the Dream Team just rolled over everyone because a lot of great athletes from other countries weren't playing basketball. Then post-Dream Team it became far more difficult for the US to win gold (or we didn't win it at all).

More talented people are playing basketball as opposed to other sports overseas now. They are producing more NBA leve players and the NBA is being stocked with more international talent by the year.

I'm just saying that the list won't be that big for any position because it's only a 15-20 year sample... a sample that includes the game just finally developing internationally and only getting more popular.

I guess I'm just saying that Nash and Parker being the only non-US players to make an all-star game wouldn't stop me from taking an international player.

The only guards. You can add Kyrie to the list, also, I suppose.

My point is, the best international PGs don't usually turn into NBA stars. They come from teams where they get to dominate the ball, but come to the states and have to fit into a role. Some manage to do okay. I mean, I Jose Calderon and Dragic are nice, but I'm not using a top 7 lotto pick on them.

And that's the thing with Exum. I've only seen him work on teams where he dominates the ball. Since I don't think he's a PG in the NBA, I don't see a team letting him dominate the ball. Hence my reasoning for him ultimately being a SG, or worse. A PG/SG backup.

I'd bet that the international big men fair better in the NBA than the guards/wings on a whole.

Based on what you've seen, why do you think he's not a point guard?

Not crazy about his handle or his vision. He does make the right play most of the time, though. At least in the highlights. Why would they show him turning it over in a highlight, I guess.

I want to see him make some passes against tougher competition. I want to see what happens if his man stays under on a P&R. Most of the highlights I see, even on the nifty passes, the guy he passes to is wide open and it's simply the right play, which is good. But what happens when he has to make a second and third read, so to speak?