Official Trade Thread - Part XXVIII

[Ruzious]

A trade or trade(s) with Gortat going out and Monroe coming in would make me very happy.

This somehow worked in the trade checker even though I wouldn't have guessed the salaries matched:

Washington in: Monroe and Bayless. Out: Gortat
Detroit in: Henson. Out: Monroe
Milwaukee in: Gortat. Out: Henson & Bayless

Detroit gets the worst value, but that's because they could lose Monroe for nothing if they don't trade him. Henson actually puts up very good per minute numbers and should be a solid fit with Drummond. Bayless is a slightly over-paid mediocre player with just 1 more year on his deal, so he doesn't interfere with Durant signing - and he's better than Miller. And Milwaukee's somehow 3 games over .500 and playing for something - and this balances their roster some so they don't have to rely on Zaza come playoff time.

[LyricalRico]

Gortat+Webster+Otto+picks for Melo! Now Witt HAS to go small!



Nene/Seraphin
Pierce/Hump
Melo/Butler
Beal/Temple
Wall/Miller

(Sorry, meant to put this in GREEN...)

[Dat2U]

A trade or trade(s) with Gortat going out and Monroe coming in would make me very happy.

This somehow worked in the trade checker even though I wouldn't have guessed the salaries matched:

Washington in: Monroe and Bayless. Out: Gortat
Detroit in: Henson. Out: Monroe
Milwaukee in: Gortat. Out: Henson & Bayless

Detroit gets the worst value, but that's because they could lose Monroe for nothing if they don't trade him. Henson actually puts up very good per minute numbers and should be a solid fit with Drummond. Bayless is a slightly over-paid mediocre player with just 1 more year on his deal, so he doesn't interfere with Durant signing - and he's better than Miller. And Milwaukee's somehow 3 games over .500 and playing for something - and this balances their roster some so they don't have to rely on Zaza come playoff time.

Sign me up! Milwaukee does well to get a legit C in that deal (I think they do it) and considering Detroit is likely to lose Monroe, Henson seems like decent return as 2nd level prospect upfront to play with or behind Drummond.

[nate33]

A trade or trade(s) with Gortat going out and Monroe coming in would make me very happy.

This somehow worked in the trade checker even though I wouldn't have guessed the salaries matched:

Washington in: Monroe and Bayless. Out: Gortat
Detroit in: Henson. Out: Monroe
Milwaukee in: Gortat. Out: Henson & Bayless

Detroit gets the worst value, but that's because they could lose Monroe for nothing if they don't trade him. Henson actually puts up very good per minute numbers and should be a solid fit with Drummond. Bayless is a slightly over-paid mediocre player with just 1 more year on his deal, so he doesn't interfere with Durant signing - and he's better than Miller. And Milwaukee's somehow 3 games over .500 and playing for something - and this balances their roster some so they don't have to rely on Zaza come playoff time.

Dude, this is brilliant!

I also wouldn't mind if we made the same deal with Milwaukee and just cut out Detroit.

[nate33]

A trade or trade(s) with Gortat going out and Monroe coming in would make me very happy.

This somehow worked in the trade checker even though I wouldn't have guessed the salaries matched:

Washington in: Monroe and Bayless. Out: Gortat
Detroit in: Henson. Out: Monroe
Milwaukee in: Gortat. Out: Henson & Bayless

Detroit gets the worst value, but that's because they could lose Monroe for nothing if they don't trade him. Henson actually puts up very good per minute numbers and should be a solid fit with Drummond. Bayless is a slightly over-paid mediocre player with just 1 more year on his deal, so he doesn't interfere with Durant signing - and he's better than Miller. And Milwaukee's somehow 3 games over .500 and playing for something - and this balances their roster some so they don't have to rely on Zaza come playoff time.

Dude, this is brilliant!

I also wouldn't mind if we made the same deal with Milwaukee and just cut out Detroit.

Hmmm. After thinking this through a bit, this might be a no go. The problem is that we wouldn't get Monroe's Bird Rights when we trade for him. We'd have to use raw cap dollars to resign him. Our cap number next summer, assuming this deal takes place, would be $62.5M or so (counting our 2015 pick). That cap limit would need to jump all the way to $78M or so to give us enough room to sign Monroe to a max salary (what he is sure to be offered by others). As I understand it, the projections do not have the cap jumping so high until the following summer.

For this deal to work, we've got to get someone to absorb Webster's contract. Or else Monroe declines.

[nate33]

If, for argument's sake, we threw in our 2016 1st rounder to get Detroit to absorb Webster, we could follow up by trading Porter for Noel. We'd go into 2016 with the following players under contract, waiting to add Durant:

PG Wall
SG Beal
SF
PF Noel
C Monroe
Bench: Humphries, 2015 1st

Now THAT'S a good team!

[Induveca]

Gortat is fine, he's had a rough few weeks. In addition, no one is going to trade for him this season. Regardless, I want no part of Monroe.....guy will ask for even MORE money than Gortat this offseason.

That being said if Philadelphia would trade Noel for Porter I would not hesitate, even if we had to throw in a second rounder. I don't trust Grunfeld to put it to good use regardless.

When "moving without the ball" is the highest praise a fanbase can bestow on a player 20 months after being drafted #3 (!) there isn't much hope. He's a bust in my book, I'm happy to roll with Pierce for another year and hope for Durant.

Ship the kid out, and Seraphin while we can.

[LyricalRico]

Gortat is fine, he's had a rough few weeks.

[nate33]

Gortat is fine, he's had a rough few weeks. In addition, no one is going to trade for him this season. Regardless, I want no part of Monroe.....guy will ask for even MORE money than Gortat this offseason.

I don't have any problems with Gortat and I'm content with his overall performance relative to his salary. But that said, Monroe is 24 years old and posting 18.5 points and 12.4 boards per 36 minutes with an ORtg of 110 this year. I'd happily pay him $16M a year instead of paying Gortat $12M.

[tontoz]

That being said if Philadelphia would trade Noel for Porter I would not hesitate, even if we had to throw in a second rounder. I don't trust Grunfeld to put it to good use regardless.

When "moving without the ball" is the highest praise a fanbase can bestow on a player 20 months after being drafted #3 (!) there isn't much hope. He's a bust in my book, I'm happy to roll with Pierce for another year and hope for Durant.

Ship the kid out, and Seraphin while we can.

Your book is obviously a work of fiction. This is Porter's first season getting regular minutes and relative to other 3s he ranks:

34th in PER
34th in TS
28th in Assist rate
18th best in turnover rate
28th in rebound rate

Just because he isn't as good as HOF players doesn't make him a bust.

[Induveca]

That being said if Philadelphia would trade Noel for Porter I would not hesitate, even if we had to throw in a second rounder. I don't trust Grunfeld to put it to good use regardless.

When "moving without the ball" is the highest praise a fanbase can bestow on a player 20 months after being drafted #3 (!) there isn't much hope. He's a bust in my book, I'm happy to roll with Pierce for another year and hope for Durant.

Ship the kid out, and Seraphin while we can.

Your book is obviously a work of fiction. This is Porter's first season getting regular minutes and relative to other 3s he ranks:

34th in PER
34th in TS
28th in Assist rate
18th best in turnover rate
28th in rebound rate

Just because he isn't as good as HOF players doesn't make him a bust.

As a #3 pick averaging 5 points, 3 boards in 18 mpg 20 months after being drafted he certainly is in my eyes.

If that is your idea of success nearly 2 years later, your bar is lower than mine. He's essentially been a non-factor who can't outplay Butler/Webster in practice to earn more minutes. Understand slapping those numbers in a per/36 equation make them look slightly better (10/6 wow!). Wittman said he was not aggressive enough/too weak to play more at this juncture.

However if others share your optimism around the league, maybe we could snag Noel or package with Seraphin for someone who could contribute. Eventually being the #3 pick while putting up such anemic numbers, and not earning more minutes will drive down his value even further.

[dckingsfan]

I really think Porter will come into his own next year...

[tontoz]

That being said if Philadelphia would trade Noel for Porter I would not hesitate, even if we had to throw in a second rounder. I don't trust Grunfeld to put it to good use regardless.

When "moving without the ball" is the highest praise a fanbase can bestow on a player 20 months after being drafted #3 (!) there isn't much hope. He's a bust in my book, I'm happy to roll with Pierce for another year and hope for Durant.

Ship the kid out, and Seraphin while we can.

Your book is obviously a work of fiction. This is Porter's first season getting regular minutes and relative to other 3s he ranks:

34th in PER
34th in TS
28th in Assist rate
18th best in turnover rate
28th in rebound rate

Just because he isn't as good as HOF players doesn't make him a bust.

As a #3 pick averaging 5 points, 3 boards in 18 mpg 20 months after being drafted he certainly is in my eyes.

If that is your idea of success nearly 2 years later, your bar is lower than mine. He's essentially been a non-factor who can't outplay Butler/Webster in practice to earn more minutes. Understand slapping those numbers in a per/36 equation make them look slightly better (10/6 wow!). Wittman said he was not aggressive enough/too weak to play more at this juncture.

However if others share your optimism around the league, maybe we could snag Noel or package with Seraphin for someone who could contribute. Eventually being the #3 pick while putting up such anemic numbers, and not earning more minutes will drive down his value even further.

I have no idea whether Porter will be a success but it is obvious he won't be a bust.

Porter has been a net positive offensively. The Wizards are almost a point better offensively when he is on the floor. But playing with the bench guys he doesn't get the benefit of the open looks that wall creates. He has easily outplayed Webster. Butler was one of the hottest players in the league for a couple of months so i can see why Witt was playing him.

Noel is one of the worst players in the entire NBA offensively. Philly is a whopping 5 points worse offensively when he is on the floor. He is a low volume scorer with horrible efficiency for a big and a Seraphinesque turnover rate.

[deneem4]

nene and gortat needs to go...

[hands11]

Here's an off-the-wall trade idea to create more cap space for the Durant free agency year - Trade Beal for Oladipo, because it takes away the big cap hold on Beal's contract - and Ola has another year before free agency. The Wiz would likely have to sweeten the pot some - probably with a 1st round pick, but it'd give them significantly more cap dollars - so they don't have to worry about having space to keep Hump - among other things.

Wow

That's a tough one. I really liked both coming out of separate drafts.

VO is more athletic. And a better ball handler. And he is a really good defender. And he has that warrior mind. And he can hit from outside. He is listed at 6-4.

Yikes. I think I might just do that.

So why would ORL do it though ?

[Induveca]

Your book is obviously a work of fiction. This is Porter's first season getting regular minutes and relative to other 3s he ranks:

34th in PER
34th in TS
28th in Assist rate
18th best in turnover rate
28th in rebound rate

Just because he isn't as good as HOF players doesn't make him a bust.

As a #3 pick averaging 5 points, 3 boards in 18 mpg 20 months after being drafted he certainly is in my eyes.

If that is your idea of success nearly 2 years later, your bar is lower than mine. He's essentially been a non-factor who can't outplay Butler/Webster in practice to earn more minutes. Understand slapping those numbers in a per/36 equation make them look slightly better (10/6 wow!). Wittman said he was not aggressive enough/too weak to play more at this juncture.

However if others share your optimism around the league, maybe we could snag Noel or package with Seraphin for someone who could contribute. Eventually being the #3 pick while putting up such anemic numbers, and not earning more minutes will drive down his value even further.

I have no idea whether Porter will be a success but it is obvious he won't be a bust.

Porter has been a net positive offensively. The Wizards are almost a point better offensively when he is on the floor. But playing with the bench guys he doesn't get the benefit of the open looks that wall creates. He has easily outplayed Webster. Butler was one of the hottest players in the league for a couple of months so i can see why Witt was playing him.

Noel is one of the worst players in the entire NBA offensively. Philly is a whopping 5 points worse offensively when he is on the floor. He is a low volume scorer with horrible efficiency for a big and a Seraphinesque turnover rate.

Not begging solely for Noel, as I mentioned a young player who could actually contribute and fills a need.

We once received great value for Kwame Brown based on his draft hype, and the perception his development was mismanaged by our organization. Just saying it may be wise to sell high on that perception.

If everything goes perfectly, Pierce is still starting next year at SF and then we sign Durant. Why did we draft a SF at #3 again?

[Ruzious]

Here's an off-the-wall trade idea to create more cap space for the Durant free agency year - Trade Beal for Oladipo, because it takes away the big cap hold on Beal's contract - and Ola has another year before free agency. The Wiz would likely have to sweeten the pot some - probably with a 1st round pick, but it'd give them significantly more cap dollars - so they don't have to worry about having space to keep Hump - among other things.

Wow

That's a tough one. I really liked both coming out of separate drafts.

VO is more athletic. And a better ball handler. And he is a really good defender. And he has that warrior mind. And he can hit from outside. He is listed at 6-4.

Yikes. I think I might just do that.

So why would ORL do it though ?

[tontoz]

Not begging solely for Noel, as I mentioned a young player who could actually contribute and fills a need.

We once received great value for Kwame Brown based on his draft hype, and the perception his development was mismanaged by our organization. Just saying it may be wise to sell high on that perception.

If everything goes perfectly, Pierce is still starting next year at SF and then we sign Durant. Why did we draft a SF at #3 again?

Why did we draft a SF? Probably because we had only 1 SF on the roster at the time (Ariza) and he only had 1 yr left on his deal. And because they felt he was the BPA.

Let's not forget how weak that draft was. Anthony Bennett went number 1 and he is already on the back of a milk carton.

[Dat2U]

I still remember a significant core of Wiz fans from realgm to bulletsforever that seemed to love the idea of us drafting Bennett. At least we dodged a bullet there.

[Induveca]

I still remember a significant core of Wiz fans from realgm to bulletsforever that seemed to love the idea of us drafting Bennett. At least we dodged a bullet there.

This is true, I whiffed big time on Bennett. At the same time the thought of drafting Porter petrified me......his game at Georgetown reminded me of the 40 year old guy at the local gym schooling 25 year olds with skill but little athleticism. Just didn't see it translating to the NBA.

Bennett? I sort of assumed most of his weight was largely muscle, and his hyperactive offense would materialize in the NBA. Instead he's another Derrick Williams. Guess my 90s flashbacks of Charles Barkley during his Phoenix days are a hindrance. Kid is awful.