2020 NBA Draft II

[doordoor123]

Question for everyone: Would you rather take Killian Tillie or Xavier Tillman? Let me remind you Tillman was a leader in P&R finishing but if Killian Tillie can return to form we might see him do really well too.

[shakes0]

Question for everyone: Would you rather take Killian Tillie or Xavier Tillman? Let me remind you Tillman was a leader in P&R finishing but if Killian Tillie can return to form we might see him do really well too.

Tille hasn't proven he can stay healthy for a 30 game college season. He has the worst feet since Greg Oden. How's he gonna survive an NBA schedule?

[doordoor123]

Question for everyone: Would you rather take Killian Tillie or Xavier Tillman? Let me remind you Tillman was a leader in P&R finishing but if Killian Tillie can return to form we might see him do really well too.

Tille hasn't proven he can stay healthy for a 30 game college season. He has the worst feet since Greg Oden. How's he gonna survive an NBA schedule?

Wasnt the same thing said about Caris LeVert, Spencer Dinwiddie and Joel Embiid? Players get underrated all the time for injuries. Sometimes it matters, sometimes it doesnt. I think NBA conditioning will make it better on his body. And more recently Michael Porter Jr.

[shakes0]

Question for everyone: Would you rather take Killian Tillie or Xavier Tillman? Let me remind you Tillman was a leader in P&R finishing but if Killian Tillie can return to form we might see him do really well too.

Tille hasn't proven he can stay healthy for a 30 game college season. He has the worst feet since Greg Oden. How's he gonna survive an NBA schedule?

Wasnt the same thing said about Caris LeVert, Spencer Dinwiddie and Joel Embiid? Players get underrated all the time for injuries. Sometimes it matters, sometimes it doesnt. I think NBA conditioning will make it better on his body. And more recently Michael Porter Jr.

those players are all much better than Tille. Those are players you gamble on. Doubt too many teams want to spend a 2nd rounder gambling on Tille.

[doordoor123]

Tille hasn't proven he can stay healthy for a 30 game college season. He has the worst feet since Greg Oden. How's he gonna survive an NBA schedule?

Wasnt the same thing said about Caris LeVert, Spencer Dinwiddie and Joel Embiid? Players get underrated all the time for injuries. Sometimes it matters, sometimes it doesnt. I think NBA conditioning will make it better on his body. And more recently Michael Porter Jr.

those players are all much better than Tille. Those are players you gamble on. Doubt too many teams want to spend a 2nd rounder gambling on Tille.

Sure, those are better players, but if Tillie can get back to his old mobility he was a great defender, hes a good passer and a great mid-range shooter/pretty good 3pt shooter. I'd say that is pretty valuable.

[doordoor123]

Another Question. Ukoda Azubuike or Kaleb Wesson?
Azubuike has crazy finishing skills with great size and athleticism, but cant shoot, terrible free throw shooter, bad post player and not a good feel for the game.
Wesson is only 6'8, not athletic, is a good shooter, good post player and great passer.

[KqWIN]

Was scanning some numbers and was impressed by Theo Maldon's Euroleague production. At 19 years old he's actually a decent player in the Euroleague with a big role. Much more productive than Deni Davija, for example.

What am I missing here? I would expect a 19 year with this body of work to go higher than late first round, especially in this draft.

[BlazersBroncos]

those players are all much better than Tille. Those are players you gamble on. Doubt too many teams want to spend a 2nd rounder gambling on Tille.

Tillie would be a late R1 lock if not for his injuries. He is the prototypical stretch big with enough athleticism to at least passibly switch on defense. He will be picked in R2, and it wouldnt be a bad pick to take him high R2. He has Maxi Kleber written all over him, albeit looks skinnier.

Tillman has some unique traits, but he is a pure C at the next level and isnt nearly as light on his feet as his overused NBA comp - Draymond Green (Who is special moving his feet for a man his size and weight). Tillman, to me, projects much more as a bouncier Kyle O'Quinn. (The current O'Quinn who has put up pretty special APG since joining the Knicks, not the prospect O'Quinn)

[doordoor123]

Was scanning some numbers and was impressed by Theo Maldon's Euroleague production. At 19 years old he's actually a decent player in the Euroleague with a big role. Much more productive than Deni Davija, for example.

What am I missing here? I would expect a 19 year with this body of work to go higher than late first round, especially in this draft.

He's not athletic or quick. But Tony Parker is also his close mentor. I dont think anyone thinks hes going to be a superstar, but I definitely think he could eventually be a reliable starter.

[doordoor123]

Ive been growing to like this draft more and more. I think its an average draft deep with roleplayers. Just super weak at the top. BUT I think there are a lot of question marks that might be better than we've been able to see so far. Even a year of development could change the gear of some of these players. Its kind of like the 2013 draft. Jaden McDaniels could not be a lottery pick like Giannis. Not saying McDaniels is a Giannis-like player, but he has the tools to be very good, like Giannis back then and can possibly not even be a lottery pick.

[Stillwater]

Ive been growing to like this draft more and more. I think its an average draft deep with roleplayers. Just super weak at the top. BUT I think there are a lot of question marks that might be better than we've been able to see so far. Even a year of development could change the gear of some of these players. Its kind of like the 2013 draft. Jaden McDaniels could not be a lottery pick like Giannis. Not saying McDaniels is a Giannis-like player, but he has the tools to be very good, like Giannis back then and can possibly not even be a lottery pick.

I think its pretty weak overall in the sense that there really are not a lot of highly skilled prospects that dont have athletic limitations
and a lot of nba level athletes with a ton of development needed to play in a nba rotation let alone be a starter or exceed expectations with any success anyway.
My guess is outside of maybe 6 or 7 near the top & a couple undervalued ones here and there over 80% of the rest of the drafted prospects in this draft wont make it till the end of their rookie deals before being cut or will have been spending most of that contract in the g league.
There are quite a few solid low ceiling back up guards in this draft though that could carve a nice role on a 2nd round contract with a couple capable of exceeding that ceiling label

[doordoor123]

Ive been growing to like this draft more and more. I think its an average draft deep with roleplayers. Just super weak at the top. BUT I think there are a lot of question marks that might be better than we've been able to see so far. Even a year of development could change the gear of some of these players. Its kind of like the 2013 draft. Jaden McDaniels could not be a lottery pick like Giannis. Not saying McDaniels is a Giannis-like player, but he has the tools to be very good, like Giannis back then and can possibly not even be a lottery pick.

I think its pretty weak overall in the sense that there really are not a lot of highly skilled prospects that dont have athletic limitations
and a lot of nba level athletes with a ton of development needed to play in a nba rotation let alone be a starter or exceed expectations with any success anyway.
My guess is outside of maybe 6 or 7 near the top & a couple undervalued ones here and there over 80% of the rest of the drafted prospects in this draft wont make it till the end of their rookie deals before being cut or will have been spending most of that contract in the g league.
There are quite a few solid low ceiling back up guards in this draft though that could carve a nice role on a 2nd round contract with a couple capable of exceeding that ceiling label

I think a lot of people are going to be surprised how decent this draft is.

[Stillwater]

Ive been growing to like this draft more and more. I think its an average draft deep with roleplayers. Just super weak at the top. BUT I think there are a lot of question marks that might be better than we've been able to see so far. Even a year of development could change the gear of some of these players. Its kind of like the 2013 draft. Jaden McDaniels could not be a lottery pick like Giannis. Not saying McDaniels is a Giannis-like player, but he has the tools to be very good, like Giannis back then and can possibly not even be a lottery pick.

I think its pretty weak overall in the sense that there really are not a lot of highly skilled prospects that dont have athletic limitations
and a lot of nba level athletes with a ton of development needed to play in a nba rotation let alone be a starter or exceed expectations with any success anyway.
My guess is outside of maybe 6 or 7 near the top & a couple undervalued ones here and there over 80% of the rest of the drafted prospects in this draft wont make it till the end of their rookie deals before being cut or will have been spending most of that contract in the g league.
There are quite a few solid low ceiling back up guards in this draft though that could carve a nice role on a 2nd round contract with a couple capable of exceeding that ceiling label

I think a lot of people are going to be surprised how decent this draft is.

well what do you mean exactly? I mean outside of the flaws in abundance this time in the commonly ranked top 10 prospects there also a lot of average ceiling rotation ceiling role players getting first round considerations as the dominant available prospect group in this draft.
Yes there are some fairly high upside kids but most if not all have serious serious flaws if not getting Lottery attn and will require years of development but since they have measurables or athleticism can at least be factored into a high upside category but overall probably more raw flaws and red flags than most would want to invest a lottery pick on. So imo they are likely to freefall to the range where they get buried on a g league roster when their contender level draft team has no use for them on the bench besides developing them there and eventually they get cut loose if they dont develop fast as hell.
I bet at least 10 2nd rounders never play in the NBA , at least 10 intl 2nd rounders 5 or whom never come over from whatever overseas club they are with and I d argue you could see a record breaking number of players drafted that never get a deal at all

[getrichordie]

raw aggregated offensive data for NCAA prospects in my top 100 if anyone cares:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1__I7XBmJygQWrHTdzvE8jwCsd5H0Sf9e4fKo_WUEbx0/edit#gid=0

most efficient scorers in 2019-20 NCAA season:

1. Aaron Nesmith
2. Shamarkus Kennedy
3. Obi Toppin
4. Anthony Mathis
5. Nick Richards
6. Killian Tillie
7. Onyeka Okongwu
8. Udoka Azubuike
9. Jalen Smith
10. Saddiq Bey

[KqWIN]

Was scanning some numbers and was impressed by Theo Maldon's Euroleague production. At 19 years old he's actually a decent player in the Euroleague with a big role. Much more productive than Deni Davija, for example.

What am I missing here? I would expect a 19 year with this body of work to go higher than late first round, especially in this draft.

He's not athletic or quick. But Tony Parker is also his close mentor. I dont think anyone thinks hes going to be a superstar, but I definitely think he could eventually be a reliable starter.

I'm just surprised that he's slipped. I've been hearing about him for years and he was always near the top of the board. I figured his performance dropped, but he actually had a very impressive run in the Euroleague for a 19 year old.

I'm keeping an eye on him. It's much more common for draft steals to be guys who aren't considered plus athletes or are perceived to have physical limitations. Especially for non bigs.

I would bet on him being an all star over a typical "boom or bust" prospect like McDaniels, for example. I actually think people are a little backwards here. The McDaniels type prospects are actually the players with a lower ceiling and the unassuming "role player" prospects are more likely to really become stars.

[big-shot-ROB]

Curious to see your opinions here. Where would, knowing what we've seen up until this point, which makes it an unfair game, these players get drafted in the 2020 draft:

RJ Barrett
Troy Brown jr
Robert Williams
Jarrett Culver
Chuma Okeke (in current state)
Darius Bazley
Mohamed Bamba
Donte Divincenzo

Despite me disliking him quite a lot, I think Barret would be the #1 pick. Not by postivity but by an advantage on less question marks.

Robert Williamd and Darius Bazley would be for sure top-10 picks.

Culver, Donte would be 10-20 picks in the sense that they won't be stars but could be solid rotational pieces or 5th starters.

Bamba top-15 pick.

Didn't scout too much Okeke and haven't been paying attention to TBJr despite me liking him pre-draft, though I feel it's obvious now he just lacks the change of gear necessary to be more than a 3D wing, though I've been pleasently surprised with his passing when he's played Boston.

[No-Man]

Curious to see your opinions here. Where would, knowing what we've seen up until this point, which makes it an unfair game, these players get drafted in the 2020 draft:

RJ Barrett; 7-10
Troy Brown Jr.; mid 1st
Robert Williams; 20s
Jarrett Culver; mid 1st
Chuma Okeke (in current state); late lotto
Darius Bazley; late lotto
Mohamed Bamba; 20s
Donte Divincenzo; late lotto

[CptCrunch]

Curious to see your opinions here. Where would, knowing what we've seen up until this point, which makes it an unfair game, these players get drafted in the 2020 draft:

RJ Barrett
Troy Brown jr
Robert Williams
Jarrett Culver
Chuma Okeke (in current state)
Darius Bazley
Mohamed Bamba
Donte Divincenzo

Despite me disliking him quite a lot, I think Barret would be the #1 pick. Not by postivity but by an advantage on less question marks.

Robert Williamd and Darius Bazley would be for sure top-10 picks.

Culver, Donte would be 10-20 picks in the sense that they won't be stars but could be solid rotational pieces or 5th starters.

Bamba top-15 pick.

Didn't scout too much Okeke and haven't been paying attention to TBJr despite me liking him pre-draft, though I feel it's obvious now he just lacks the change of gear necessary to be more than a 3D wing, though I've been pleasently surprised with his passing when he's played Boston.

RJ is 100% the #1 pick based on both college play and rookie season play.

[BlazersBroncos]

I wouldnt take RJ over Wiseman. The ceiling of Wiseman is just too enticing, especially on defense.

[nolang1]

Ive been growing to like this draft more and more. I think its an average draft deep with roleplayers. Just super weak at the top. BUT I think there are a lot of question marks that might be better than we've been able to see so far. Even a year of development could change the gear of some of these players. Its kind of like the 2013 draft. Jaden McDaniels could not be a lottery pick like Giannis. Not saying McDaniels is a Giannis-like player, but he has the tools to be very good, like Giannis back then and can possibly not even be a lottery pick.

I think its pretty weak overall in the sense that there really are not a lot of highly skilled prospects that dont have athletic limitations
and a lot of nba level athletes with a ton of development needed to play in a nba rotation let alone be a starter or exceed expectations with any success anyway.
My guess is outside of maybe 6 or 7 near the top & a couple undervalued ones here and there over 80% of the rest of the drafted prospects in this draft wont make it till the end of their rookie deals before being cut or will have been spending most of that contract in the g league.
There are quite a few solid low ceiling back up guards in this draft though that could carve a nice role on a 2nd round contract with a couple capable of exceeding that ceiling label

I think a lot of people are going to be surprised how decent this draft is.

The college game as a whole has gotten better at embracing analytics and teaching to the test, so to speak. Previously players like Patrick Beverley or PJ Tucker took a few years to adjust from being the top scorer on their college team to playing their actual roles in the NBA, and now there are more ready-made role players because college coaches are able to point to those types of players' successes and get their players to embrace that sooner. This draft is still bad in terms of top-end talent though.