#BringBacktheBiz - The Bismack Biyombo Thread

[BlackOutBuzz]

I really hope we can lock him up on a 5/25 deal. Otherwise give him his QO and match whatever he gets.

Folks, with all due respect, please stop placing excessive value on Biz.

There are 66 BIG MEN making at least $5 million this year (just at the 4 and 5 spots). That's only 4s and 5s, and I'm not counting the LeBron's or Melo's that spend notable time at the 4. Also there are others that would make that if not for their rookie-scale contracts.

Size gets paid. I'm not saying we should offer or match that but like with Kemba the market value of players is going up as a whole. $5 million now isn't the same as even a few months ago before the new TV deal.

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[BeesWax]

I really hope we can lock him up on a 5/25 deal. Otherwise give him his QO and match whatever he gets.

Folks, with all due respect, please stop placing excessive value on Biz. He might be a valuable reserve long term but he will not be a starter in this league. He has some moments, but too many are like last night. He loses most of his matchups against starters and fares inconsistent with reserves.

I want Clifford to play him more so we can see what he might return to us for our future (as part of it) or as part of a trade. But the rest of the league front offices cannot all be wrong about him. He has low value for a reason.

You mean last night where per minute he out played Al in every facet of the game?

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

You mean last night where per minute he out played Al in every facet of the game?

I'm not going to lie. Biz did some stuff that I really liked last night. But he also did some really boneheaded stuff too. He has real difficulty in the team defense while trying to guard perimeter oriented big men and it REALLY showed last night for example. He's a good 1:1 defender most of the time but he really isn't the greatest team defender. Last year Al was at least an OK team defender. Biz hasn't even shown that level of ability ever. We can talk about him being an "elite rim defender" but those blocks don't always translate into wins.

Biz is nearly 100% reliant on having good entry passes that he knows are coming in order to produce on offense. We've had very few guards who've been able to feed him properly ... Lance is really the first that I remember. Whatever Al's other deficiencies are he can generate his own shot like nobodies business.

Al, may not be in shape now ... or he may be injured ... who know, but it's obvious that he cares about winning. You can see his frustration after some of these close losses. I don't always get that feeling from Biz. Biz is the guy who is happy to play. He may not like losing, but it's not something that seems to get him too down.

I get that you are sick of Al, but let's not overhype Biz as a result of that.

[BeesWax]

You mean last night where per minute he out played Al in every facet of the game?

I'm not going to lie. Biz did some stuff that I really liked last night. But he also did some really boneheaded stuff too. He has real difficulty in the team defense while trying to guard perimeter oriented big men and it REALLY showed last night for example. He's a good 1:1 defender most of the time but he really isn't the greatest team defender. Last year Al was at least an OK team defender. Biz hasn't even shown that level of ability ever. We can talk about him being an "elite rim defender" but those blocks don't always translate into wins.

Biz is nearly 100% reliant on having good entry passes that he knows are coming in order to produce on offense. We've had very few guards who've been able to feed him properly ... Lance is really the first that I remember. Whatever Al's other deficiencies are he can generate his own shot like nobodies business.

Al, may not be in shape now ... or he may be injured ... who know, but it's obvious that he cares about winning. You can see his frustration after some of these close losses. I don't always get that feeling from Biz. Biz is the guy who is happy to play. He may not like losing, but it's not something that seems to get him too down.

I get that you are sick of Al, but let's not overhype Biz as a result of that.

I would say him caring about winning is anything but obvious. He is lazy and does not try on one end of the court. Al cares about Al this season t least from appearances. Biz always wants to win and will do anything to help the team and stay engaged even when being ignored on offense. Al misses a shot then goes down and plays no defense then jogs back and jacks the first bad shot he can to try to keep his numbers up. Al only gets mad when he isn't fed the ball and he gets mad even when we are scoring if he isn't getting his touches and shots.

Biz does not have any more issues with defending a perimeter big that Al does right now. Biz had no issues last night with guarding a perimeter big but instead his guy was hitting open jumpers because Biz was forced to help on drivers taking him away from his man. He wasn't getting beat off the dribble like Al or anything last night.

All Al can do is generate his own shot yet our team produces less points per 100 possessions with him on the court so far this season that when Biz is out there. We score more and give up less per 100 with Biz on the court and we rebound better during that time.

[[Blindsided]]

Nice little article from Scott Rafferty (contributor to Hardwood Paroxysm) about Biz's improvements this season.
http://upsidemotor.com/2014/12/04/lost-in-the-charlotte-hornets-slow-start-bismack-biyombos-steady-improvement/

The Hornets don’t necessarily see Biyombo as a backup center to Al Jefferson anymore, rather a running mate for Brian Roberts, Lance Stephenson and Gary Neal when the bench gets court time. Their starting five plays the third-slowest rate in the NBA. Their bench, on the other hand, plays much faster, which fits Biyombo’s skill-set as he gets out in transition and alters shots for opposing players.

[JDR720]

Biz has played really good this year, he is even catching the ball. He is never going to be a good post scorer but as long as he catches lobs, sets brick wall screens and gets O-rebounds he will be a very good player for us with his defense. I'd like to see if he can shoot FT line jumpers consistently, pretty sure he made over 40% of jumpers last season in a very small sample size though.

[Liver_Pooty]

Biz has played really good this year, he is even catching the ball. He is never going to be a good post scorer but as long as he catches lobs, sets brick wall screens and gets O-rebounds he will be a very good player for us with his defense. I'd like to see if he can shoot FT line jumpers consistently, pretty sure he made over 40% of jumpers last season in a very small sample size though.

Solid backup material.

[Olajuwon34]

He could easily be a Samuel Dalembert/Theo Ratliff type starter in the right situation. He clearly has the tools, especially his conditioning and sheer athleticism. I would love to see him on a team that ran more!

[KembaWalker]

He just passed Valanciunas in PER. Don't tell the Raptors fans

[Hornet Mania]

Been really happy with how Biz had played this season. I have a suspicion (I've seen others say it as well) that we actually play better with him on the floor than with Al. I think a lot of it is that our starters don't fit at all and our substitutes sort of do. Some of it is that we don't force-feed the offense (which is a coaching flaw, not an Al Jefferson flaw) when Biz is in the game. And some of it, the portion that can be attributed to Biz, is that our defense looks much better just because we finally have a really good defensive player on the court. Still has some rough patches, but he's still young (!!!) and probably improving. Hope he stays a Hornet for the long haul, he's an easy guy to root for.

[BeesWax]

Biz has played really good this year, he is even catching the ball. He is never going to be a good post scorer but as long as he catches lobs, sets brick wall screens and gets O-rebounds he will be a very good player for us with his defense. I'd like to see if he can shoot FT line jumpers consistently, pretty sure he made over 40% of jumpers last season in a very small sample size though.

Solid backup material.

The funny thing is he is more suited with the starters and Jefferson with the backups. The starters around Al are better picking up the pace and not as good at spacing the floor. Our backups can shoot better that the starters and would fit better around Al. When talking about offense I think we would look better with them switched but the problem becomes you cannot play Al off the bench.

[LofJ]

Biz has played really good this year, he is even catching the ball. He is never going to be a good post scorer but as long as he catches lobs, sets brick wall screens and gets O-rebounds he will be a very good player for us with his defense. I'd like to see if he can shoot FT line jumpers consistently, pretty sure he made over 40% of jumpers last season in a very small sample size though.

Solid backup material.

The funny thing is he is more suited with the starters and Jefferson with the backups. The starters around Al are better picking up the pace and not as good at spacing the floor. Our backups can shoot better that the starters and would fit better around Al. When talking about offense I think we would look better with them switched but the problem becomes you cannot play Al off the bench.

Why not? A good coach doesn't start someone who is too out of shape to give effort on defense.

[JDR720]

Solid backup material.

The funny thing is he is more suited with the starters and Jefferson with the backups. The starters around Al are better picking up the pace and not as good at spacing the floor. Our backups can shoot better that the starters and would fit better around Al. When talking about offense I think we would look better with them switched but the problem becomes you cannot play Al off the bench.

Why not? A good coach doesn't start someone who is too out of shape to give effort on defense.

Media would make a big story out of it, management wont let it happen etc. It might be a great idea but it'll never happen especially to a player who is supposedly our best.

[tondi123]

Then don't start Biz but adjust substation patterns so that he gets 10-15 minutes a game with the starters. Doesn't seem like it would be that hard to do.

[Olajuwon34]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ199djBUA0[/youtube]
I'm just gonna put this here.

[amcoolio]

I wonder what our record would be if Biz closed out games instead of Big Al.

Has anyone else noticed Biz's drastically better rebounding too?

[Diop]

Biz's has always been good on the offensive boards, remember last year he kept drawing fouls.

its what made him not totally useless on offence. now adding the ability to catch a lob and less illegal screens, he's developing into a solid rotational player.

[TheKingofSting]

I would be fine with Biz starting if Big Al is traded.

[JDR720]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/hornets/status/546018259532013568[/tweet]

[Skin]

I hope he'll be a target for the Magic. Came here trying to gauge his value to you guys. Would you guys match something that averages $6-7M per year?