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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1541 » by gambitx777 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 1:46 pm

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gambitx777 wrote:I guess the way im looking at it is for melo or aldridge im not saying trade otto for them, or kelley. im saying, If your moving mahinmi for them, and keeping your core guys, they make your team better...

That's the problem, gambit. They don't.

At least Aldridge saves you a year of salary going forward. Well, Melo does too -- but you pay the same amount over a shorter term. & he really does put you in the tax territory.

But Mahinmi, if healthy, is a more productive player than either of those guys at this point in their careers.

Is he really though? What can mahinmi really give us that a vet min contract or a cheap short term flyer given to say Larry saunders, jeff withey, joffery loverange, Donatas Motiejunas, Tiago Splitter or Jan vesley can't give us? Like Mahinmi does not give us enough to justify that deal, and if you can get that off the books, add something you can use (melos scoring off the bench or aldridge in the starting line up and the subsiquent bench boost from benching either gortat or morris) and replace mahinmis poor health and minimal production with a vet min contract or short term flyer you do it and move on from the mistake. Aron Baynes would probably be cheaper.

I guess mind set of fixing this mistake, even if is just gets you an inch north of a lateral move in any kind of way, is better than keeping that mistake around.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1542 » by NatP4 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 1:50 pm

Gambit, a healthy Mahinmi was 3rd among centers in DRPM last season. He had a tough season this year, was hurt a lot, was misused in the playoffs, but he's a good player. Overpaid, yes, but none of those players are replacing what he brings to the table.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1543 » by gambitx777 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 2:06 pm

I wounder if portland would be interested in aminu and davis for mahinmi or gortat? they need a center in a bad way, might not be a bad move they seem out of love with davis and I can live with ed davis as my back up center for a year and aminus defence off the bench would be killer.

I would also call up detriot and make an offer to them of mahinmi and a 2018 second and 2019 first rounder, for Marjanovic, morris and Johnson.
Both morris and johnson have soured a bit with that team and could use a change. They need a center, This beefs up our bench nicely

honestly if I thought for a second that John and jackson could get a long, I would trade mahinmi and a first for Jeggie jackson and stanly johnson in a minute.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1544 » by gambitx777 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 2:11 pm

NatP4 wrote:Gambit, a healthy Mahinmi was 3rd among centers in DRPM last season. He had a tough season this year, was hurt a lot, was misused in the playoffs, but he's a good player. Overpaid, yes, but none of those players are replacing what he brings to the table.

So for about what 20 games he was 3ed in DRPM? Im sorry I know that hes not a bad player, im not saying he is, and if his contract was say 10-12 like it should be I wouldn't be so on it about moving him,even if he was paid the same and just healthy hes fine. I guess i just have a different mind set on the issue. because i don't think we can count on him to be the starter, if we move gortat, because you can trust hes going to be able to play. I know the advanced number look nice, and yes if hes there for those first two boston games maybe we win that series. IDK man i just think its a move that should be made.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1545 » by Dark Faze » Wed Jun 28, 2017 2:15 pm

I'd do a Mahinmi/trash/filler swap for Melo, but I wouldn't include any picks beyond a second.

My main plan if I'm the GM right now is to keep everyone we have, even if we have to overpay, and sit back and see what happens. If Mahinmi improves his value by looking good and being healthy, then perhaps he's worth keeping around, or perhaps I look to move him. With Bojan I keep him around until I see a good move. Despite the advanced stats looking bad, Bojan has good value around the league for a backup. So long as the contract isn't too heavy it can be moved or even be seen as an outgoing asset in a swap.

By no means do I trade a first unless its bringing me back an all-star with decent fuel left in the tank (at least 3 prime years left).

My guess is Porter's production doesn't improve all that much and his efficiency slides slightly, and I look to move his contract in the summer.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1546 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Wed Jun 28, 2017 2:16 pm

jangles86 wrote:Wall
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How do we make this happen? :evil:


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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1547 » by dckingsfan » Wed Jun 28, 2017 2:18 pm

NatP4 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:So, in conclusion - the 2016 FA signings of Mahinmi/Nicholson/Burke/Thorton makes Ernie (checkers) Grunfeld is one of the worst NBA GMs.

If you don't sign them... You would have had a first, cap room for Porter and cap room for an FA.

The best upgrade for the Wizards is to finally trade EG.

That is all.


He didn't sign Burke, Marcus Thornton took the vet min, Andrew Nicholson is not on this team, Burke is an UFA. If he didn't sign Mahinmi, we would be looking for a backup center still.

Put all of this together and we would still have a pretty similar cap number. Most people have finally stopped posting about last offseason and started looking at moves to make this offseason.

Good point on Burke. Andrew Nicholson isn't on the team because we gave up a 1st to get rid of him. And yes, we would be looking for a non-oft injured backup C.

He screwed up last year's FA signings badly - and now we don't have flexibility this year - doh!

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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1548 » by NatP4 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 2:20 pm

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NatP4 wrote:Gambit, a healthy Mahinmi was 3rd among centers in DRPM last season. He had a tough season this year, was hurt a lot, was misused in the playoffs, but he's a good player. Overpaid, yes, but none of those players are replacing what he brings to the table.

So for about what 20 games he was 3ed in DRPM? Im sorry I know that hes not a bad player, im not saying he is, and if his contract was say 10-12 like it should be I wouldn't be so on it about moving him,even if he was paid the same and just healthy hes fine. I guess i just have a different mind set on the issue. because i don't think we can count on him to be the starter, if we move gortat, because you can trust hes going to be able to play. I know the advanced number look nice, and yes if hes there for those first two boston games maybe we win that series. IDK man i just think its a move that should be made.



Sorry, meant last year as in the year with the pacers. 2015-2016. Gortat/Mahinmi is a good center rotation, that's what people get wrong on here. We got torched at times in the Boston series because Brooks refused to go smaller and matchup with Stevens' smaller lineups. Neither Mahinmi or Gortat defend the perimeter, but Brooks never once used Morris at center in that series which was asinine.

All I'm saying is that we are in good shape at center moving forward with Jason Smith also. It's clear that our priority is pursuing a Paul George trade in which Mahinmi would be a negative asset and not be involved whatsoever. Trading for Melo doesn't improve the team at all imo.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1549 » by Dark Faze » Wed Jun 28, 2017 2:23 pm

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NatP4 wrote:Gambit, a healthy Mahinmi was 3rd among centers in DRPM last season. He had a tough season this year, was hurt a lot, was misused in the playoffs, but he's a good player. Overpaid, yes, but none of those players are replacing what he brings to the table.

So for about what 20 games he was 3ed in DRPM? Im sorry I know that hes not a bad player, im not saying he is, and if his contract was say 10-12 like it should be I wouldn't be so on it about moving him,even if he was paid the same and just healthy hes fine. I guess i just have a different mind set on the issue. because i don't think we can count on him to be the starter, if we move gortat, because you can trust hes going to be able to play. I know the advanced number look nice, and yes if hes there for those first two boston games maybe we win that series. IDK man i just think its a move that should be made.


The stats can say defensive rpm this, defensive rpm that, but I call a spade a spade when I see teams that gas him up saying he's a good player always letting him go when it came time for him to get starter money. People loved paying him as a backup, wanted no part of paying him as a starter.

I've never been a fan. Eye test didn't match the stats for me. And I've seen nothing to change my mind so far.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1550 » by NatP4 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 2:26 pm

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gambitx777 wrote:
NatP4 wrote:Gambit, a healthy Mahinmi was 3rd among centers in DRPM last season. He had a tough season this year, was hurt a lot, was misused in the playoffs, but he's a good player. Overpaid, yes, but none of those players are replacing what he brings to the table.

So for about what 20 games he was 3ed in DRPM? Im sorry I know that hes not a bad player, im not saying he is, and if his contract was say 10-12 like it should be I wouldn't be so on it about moving him,even if he was paid the same and just healthy hes fine. I guess i just have a different mind set on the issue. because i don't think we can count on him to be the starter, if we move gortat, because you can trust hes going to be able to play. I know the advanced number look nice, and yes if hes there for those first two boston games maybe we win that series. IDK man i just think its a move that should be made.


The stats can say defensive rpm this, defensive rpm that, but I call a spade a spade when I see teams that gas him up saying he's a good player always letting him go when it came time for him to get starter money. People loved paying him as a backup, wanted no part of paying him as a starter.

I've never been a fan. Eye test didn't match the stats for me. And I've seen nothing to change my mind so far.


He started on Indiana and led them to finish top 10 defensively, actually top 5 I believe. I'm assuming you didn't watch him then..because he was very good. But yeah stats don't matter
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1551 » by gambitx777 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 2:26 pm

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gambitx777 wrote:
NatP4 wrote:Gambit, a healthy Mahinmi was 3rd among centers in DRPM last season. He had a tough season this year, was hurt a lot, was misused in the playoffs, but he's a good player. Overpaid, yes, but none of those players are replacing what he brings to the table.

So for about what 20 games he was 3ed in DRPM? Im sorry I know that hes not a bad player, im not saying he is, and if his contract was say 10-12 like it should be I wouldn't be so on it about moving him,even if he was paid the same and just healthy hes fine. I guess i just have a different mind set on the issue. because i don't think we can count on him to be the starter, if we move gortat, because you can trust hes going to be able to play. I know the advanced number look nice, and yes if hes there for those first two boston games maybe we win that series. IDK man i just think its a move that should be made.



Sorry, meant last year as in the year with the pacers. 2015-2016. Gortat/Mahinmi is a good center rotation, that's what people get wrong on here. We got torched at times in the Boston series because Brooks refused to go smaller and matchup with Stevens' smaller lineups. Neither Mahinmi or Gortat defend the perimeter, but Brooks never once used Morris at center in that series which was asinine.

All I'm saying is that we are in good shape at center moving forward with Jason Smith also. It's clear that our priority is pursuing a Paul George trade in which Mahinmi would be a negative asset and not be involved whatsoever. Trading for Melo doesn't improve the team at all imo.

I agree 100 % I do like mahinmi as a player ! I just see him as our most expensive expendable piece. If you can turn that into anything north of even, I say do it and figure out the rest later. That's the only point im trying to make. Im not even saying you can, I am saying if you can, IF.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1552 » by 80sballboy » Wed Jun 28, 2017 3:18 pm

Mahinmi is tough to judge when he returned from his calf injury in the playoffs because he obviously wasn't 100%. His lateral movement on defending the PNR wasn't as good as it was before. Between the calf and the knee issues and playing just 31 games, it was pretty much a lost season. If he can give us 70 healthy games, we should be a better defensive team.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1553 » by gambitx777 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 3:21 pm

So houston is trying to move Anderson?
What about
Wiz gets okafur, beverly and ariza.
76ers get mahinmi and a 2018 second, 2019 first from wiz
hou gets tim frazier
hawks get anderson, a first from the rockets and the draft rights to Aaron white.

We fix our bench, Okafur trade value is slipping and a first for him is a decent get for the 76ers, a second to take mahinmi. and we end up with beverly and ariza on the bench. not a bad days work.

the rockets get their max cap room.
the 76ers get a first for okafur and a vet big to stabilize that locker room.
alt gets some assets and a milsap replacement.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1554 » by nuposse04 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 3:32 pm

NatP4 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:So, in conclusion - the 2016 FA signings of Mahinmi/Nicholson/Burke/Thorton makes Ernie (checkers) Grunfeld is one of the worst NBA GMs.

If you don't sign them... You would have had a first, cap room for Porter and cap room for an FA.

The best upgrade for the Wizards is to finally trade EG.

That is all.


He didn't sign Burke, Marcus Thornton took the vet min, Andrew Nicholson is not on this team, Burke is an UFA. If he didn't sign Mahinmi, we would be looking for a backup center still.

Put all of this together and we would still have a pretty similar cap number. Most people have finally stopped posting about last offseason and started looking at moves to make this offseason.


He traded a 2nd rounder for Trey Burke, who didn't deserve a rookie salary contract (or wasting a 2nd rounder on him). Nicholson (who I didn't hate admittingly) was overpaid thus costing a 1st which could have possibly brought us an impact rookie... and Ian...is just awful. So while the cap ish was only really bogged down by Nicholson and Ian, getting rid of Nicholson cost us assets. Assets help build in the offseason. Seeing as how we are incapable of building now cause we lack assets... It is perfectly ok to ridicule the baboon who got us here.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1555 » by gambitx777 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 3:39 pm

nuposse04 wrote:
NatP4 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:So, in conclusion - the 2016 FA signings of Mahinmi/Nicholson/Burke/Thorton makes Ernie (checkers) Grunfeld is one of the worst NBA GMs.

If you don't sign them... You would have had a first, cap room for Porter and cap room for an FA.

The best upgrade for the Wizards is to finally trade EG.

That is all.


He didn't sign Burke, Marcus Thornton took the vet min, Andrew Nicholson is not on this team, Burke is an UFA. If he didn't sign Mahinmi, we would be looking for a backup center still.

Put all of this together and we would still have a pretty similar cap number. Most people have finally stopped posting about last offseason and started looking at moves to make this offseason.


He traded a 2nd rounder for Trey Burke, who didn't deserve a rookie salary contract (or wasting a 2nd rounder on him). Nicholson (who I didn't hate admittingly) was overpaid thus costing a 1st which could have possibly brought us an impact rookie... and Ian...is just awful. So while the cap ish was only really bogged down by Nicholson and Ian, getting rid of Nicholson cost us assets. Assets help build in the offseason. Seeing as how we are incapable of building now cause we lack assets... It is perfectly ok to ridicule the baboon who got us here.

a 2021 second, which is what it was for burke was an ok enough trade, we needed a back up pg and that was not a terrible trade, yes bruke played badly and didn't work out, but that's more on him playing badly and not the trade its self. again 6 mill a year for a back up PF is not a bad deal, Nicholson was given that contract and he was expected to live up to it, he did not, it was an ok enough gamble, it didn't pay off. Mahinmi when on the court has played well enough and done what he was signed to do, while over paid, he is not terrible (yes he needs traded imo but hes not a bad player). No one is defending EG, he should not have out bid himself with mahinmi, he should not have given Nicholson that long of a deal without proving himself further, and we should have cut bait with burke before we did. But **** happens, and I have no issues on using assets to fix the **** that happens. yes EG needs to do better, he might or might not, but dwelling on stuff we already know is not going to help. Time to start fixing the problem, not dwelling on the ones we know we have.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1556 » by nuposse04 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 3:45 pm

Having the same guy fix the problems he created seems...well... uninspiring, no? Only real optimism is that Brooks really is good at player development and everyone on the roster younger then 28ish actually improves. I don't even really like Brooks much either tbh, but that is the only source of optimism I can see.
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Post#1557 » by dckingsfan » Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:10 pm

nuposse04 wrote:Having the same guy fix the problems he created seems...well... uninspiring, no? Only real optimism is that Brooks really is good at player development and everyone on the roster younger then 28ish actually improves. I don't even really like Brooks much either tbh, but that is the only source of optimism I can see.

This! Best upgrade to the Wizards would be to dump EG...
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1558 » by gambitx777 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:11 pm

Who cares who fixes it? better is better imo, at the end of the day we had a nice season. We saw some amazing basketball from wall and enjoyed some really fun hype. let not focus on the negatives. it can always be worse !
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1559 » by NatP4 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:17 pm

I'm just tired of hearing about last offseason. I'm optimistic about this offseason. Despite the tim Frazier trade and not buying into the 2nd round like a cheap bastard
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1560 » by JWizmentality » Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:00 pm

gambitx777 wrote:So houston is trying to move Anderson?
What about
Wiz gets okafur, beverly and ariza.
76ers get mahinmi and a 2018 second, 2019 first from wiz
hou gets tim frazier
hawks get anderson, a first from the rockets and the draft rights to Aaron white.

We fix our bench, Okafur trade value is slipping and a first for him is a decent get for the 76ers, a second to take mahinmi. and we end up with beverly and ariza on the bench. not a bad days work.

the rockets get their max cap room.
the 76ers get a first for okafur and a vet big to stabilize that locker room.
alt gets some assets and a milsap replacement.


No secret Grunie has had a hard on for Anderson for some time. :noway:

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