Melo Trade Thread - Sorry Melo, these are the breaks

[HarthorneWingo]

the f*ck ?

I think the idea is Clint Capela will be used to sweaten a deal if they have to get this done. Seeing how a center isn't really required to win in this league. They may feel keeping Eric Gordon as a 6th man is more valuable. Maybe we send back KOQ?

So Clint Cappella is going to be the difference maker in this deal? But we still have to take Mr. Anderson's contract?

[god shammgod]

i don't need nothing. no players. no picks. nothing. but what i do need is to not f*ck up the salary cap. if the knicks are not bad enough to be top 5 and also have no cap space they're completely f*cked. and before anyone says...what do we need cap space for ? find one of the 300 times i answered this already. but if you didn't understand then, you won't understand now.

[Mecca]

but then again what FA's are we eventually signing anyway?

True, but when their contracts are up (Anderson and Noah), we have to extend Porzingis and Willy. We won't have room to improve outside of draft and trades

You will be able to trade Anderson into cap space or do a S&T with him as an expiring. He isn't valuable because he has 3 years on his deal. But I think he won't be hard to move when he becomes an expiring...

I don't think expiring contracts are really assets anymore tbh

[Fury]

i don't need nothing. no players. no picks. nothing. but what i do need is to not f*ck up the salary cap. if the knicks are not bad enough to be top 5 and also have no cap space they're completely f*cked. and before anyone says...what do we need cap space for ? find one of the 300 times i answered this already. but if you didn't understand then, you won't understand now.

The cap stuff went out the door with Phil. I know you don't wanna hear it but it's true

[Polk377]

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clutchfans says this guys is one of there insiders and he speaks in "code" they believe it means Capela might be available if we continue to play hard ball. Maybe we add KOQ and send Capela to another team for future assets?

I don't think that is code but rather just poor English. Feenis? Does he mean finesse?

I was thinking of multiple Feenys (from
Boy Meets World) just spelled wrong.

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[mpharris36]

Honestly, I've always been reasonable when it comes to trading Melo (my Celtics trade proposals actually were approved by the Celtics fans on RealGM). I know his value isn't that high, but I see it like this
- Anderson's contract is PUTRID and significantly worse than Melo's. Yes, that final year is that harmful, IMO.
- They want Melo more than we necessarily want (need) to trade him.
- Morey is probably being pressured by Paul and Harden to get a deal done.
- The trade should be viewed as a trade for Melo (which would be a late first + Anderson) BUT Houston needs to pay up for us accepting Anderson, which is where the young prospect and another pick comes in.

The trade isn't as simple as Melo to Houston, it's Melo to Houston while we take back a garbage contract in return for a player who does nothing for us in our current state and hurts our long-term flexibility.

I don't disagree but then you see what Paul George got back and you have to realize a team taking on a even better player with 1 year on his contract doesn't get that much in return.

Personally I wouldn't have even been happy with Oladipo and Sabonis for Melo. And Paul George is significantly better than Melo at this point in his career. And PG13 didn't have a NTC...so looking at from every angle, the knicks have every right to hold out for the best possible offer. But I don't think the knicks could get Capela + 2 future 1st rounders for just taking back Ryan Anderson.

And yes I agree Anderson deal is putrid...

[NYKWarlock]

Update: My sources confirm Melo recently farted again July 20th and it still smelled like James Harden's beard. More to come.

no one responded the first time because it wasn't funny...

Thank you, I will try to get better

[Amsterdam]

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clutchfans says this guys is one of there insiders and he speaks in "code" they believe it means Capela might be available if we continue to play hard ball. Maybe we add KOQ and send Capela to another team for future assets?

I would consider keeping Capela and moving Willy. Capela has the athleticism to guard multiple positions and go out to the perimeter. Also excellent in PnR. Fit wise, KP and Capela are perfect.

Capela is Tyson Chandler lite. Some defense and NO offense other than alley-oops.
No thank you.

Willy is 1st team All-Rookie. Scouts and league executives liken his game to a young Marc Gasol.

Willy stays!

[mpharris36]

True, but when their contracts are up (Anderson and Noah), we have to extend Porzingis and Willy. We won't have room to improve outside of draft and trades

You will be able to trade Anderson into cap space or do a S&T with him as an expiring. He isn't valuable because he has 3 years on his deal. But I think he won't be hard to move when he becomes an expiring...

I don't think expiring contracts are really assets anymore tbh

I didn't mean it like that...I was suggesting expirings are easier to move. Anderson with 1 year 18 million will have at least some suitors. Kinda like how Dallas was willing to take Bogut into space. Its basically like signing a 1 year FA without having to give up any assets. Good for a team that usually wont attract FA's.

[mpharris36]

the f*ck ?

I think the idea is Clint Capela will be used to sweaten a deal if they have to get this done. Seeing how a center isn't really required to win in this league. They may feel keeping Eric Gordon as a 6th man is more valuable. Maybe we send back KOQ?

So Clint Cappella is going to be the difference maker in this deal? But we still have to take Mr. Anderson's contract?

So Capela...not Cappella who averaged 13 pts 11 boards and 2.5 blocks in the playoff series against the spurs at the age of 23...isn't a big piece...

Capela is a better piece than Oladipo/Sabonis combined...and that package got PG13.

[Mecca]

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clutchfans says this guys is one of there insiders and he speaks in "code" they believe it means Capela might be available if we continue to play hard ball. Maybe we add KOQ and send Capela to another team for future assets?

I would consider keeping Capela and moving Willy. Capela has the athleticism to guard multiple positions and go out to the perimeter. Also excellent in PnR. Fit wise, KP and Capela are perfect.

Capela is Tyson Chandler lite. Some defense and NO offense other than alley-oops.
No thank you.

Willy is 1st team All-Rookie. Scouts and league executives liken his game to a young Marc Gasol.

Willy stays!

You obviously never watched Capela because he's one of the best PnR players in the entire NBA.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Honestly, I've always been reasonable when it comes to trading Melo (my Celtics trade proposals actually were approved by the Celtics fans on RealGM). I know his value isn't that high, but I see it like this
- Anderson's contract is PUTRID and significantly worse than Melo's. Yes, that final year is that harmful, IMO.
- They want Melo more than we necessarily want (need) to trade him.
- Morey is probably being pressured by Paul and Harden to get a deal done.
- The trade should be viewed as a trade for Melo (which would be a late first + Anderson) BUT Houston needs to pay up for us accepting Anderson, which is where the young prospect and another pick comes in.

The trade isn't as simple as Melo to Houston, it's Melo to Houston while we take back a garbage contract in return for a player who does nothing for us in our current state and hurts our long-term flexibility.

I don't disagree but then you see what Paul George got back and you have to realize a team taking on a even better player with 1 year on his contract doesn't get that much in return.

Personally I wouldn't have even been happy with Oladipo and Sabonis for Melo. And Paul George is significantly better than Melo at this point in his career. And PG13 didn't have a NTC...so looking at from every angle, the knicks have every right to hold out for the best possible offer. But I don't think the knicks could get Capela + 2 future 1st rounders for just taking back Ryan Anderson.

And yes I agree Anderson deal is putrid...

Pacers had the Celtics offer on the table and, IIRC, everyone accepted it until the Pacers' GM decided to pull the plug at the last minute - I believe Woj reported that (or some semblance of that story).

Dipo and Sabonis are two young players, one of whom is on a rookie deal and the other is on a fair contract for what he provides + the way the market is going. The Pacers also weren't accepting garbage contracts in return - they were basically just trying to match contracts instead of value, which was beyond stupid on their end because they should have gotten at least one pick. If the Pacers were forced to take on a bad contract, you'd have a point...but there was no Ryan Anderson in the trade. Having Paul George also basically say he's going to LA wasn't helping the Pacers get value, either.

If the Knicks can't get the deal they want, then they simply won't trade him. It's that simple to me. Melo, Houston, and the Knicks all need to come to terms with the fact that if a deal needs to get done, all three need to agree on it. If Anderson had the same contract as Melo, the deal would be done - the fact that he has 3 years (when Melo, IMO, really only has 1) is a dealbreaker and that's where the value comes in - me asking for the deal I just proposed has basically nothing to do with Melo and everything to do with Anderson. That is my point - that's why I'm stingy as hell with this. I think you're looking at my deal saying everything being brought in is value for Melo, when I'm really looking at is as a deal for Melo + a deal for Anderson's contract. I've already said Melo's value is low, but Anderson's contract brings the demand way up.

[god shammgod]

i don't need nothing. no players. no picks. nothing. but what i do need is to not f*ck up the salary cap. if the knicks are not bad enough to be top 5 and also have no cap space they're completely f*cked. and before anyone says...what do we need cap space for ? find one of the 300 times i answered this already. but if you didn't understand then, you won't understand now.

The cap stuff went out the door with Phil. I know you don't wanna hear it but it's true

phil was responsible for the biggest blemish currently on our cap. what many consider the worst contract in the league.

[Kampuchea]

Capela is now one of the best players in the NBA?

[Fury]

i don't need nothing. no players. no picks. nothing. but what i do need is to not f*ck up the salary cap. if the knicks are not bad enough to be top 5 and also have no cap space they're completely f*cked. and before anyone says...what do we need cap space for ? find one of the 300 times i answered this already. but if you didn't understand then, you won't understand now.

The cap stuff went out the door with Phil. I know you don't wanna hear it but it's true

phil was responsible for the biggest blemish currently on our cap. what many consider the worst contract in the league.

Sure, but he still maintained flexibility

[god shammgod]

The cap stuff went out the door with Phil. I know you don't wanna hear it but it's true

phil was responsible for the biggest blemish currently on our cap. what many consider the worst contract in the league.

Sure, but he still maintained flexibility

well so far the new management is refusing to trade for ryan. it's the only maniacs here who are willing to do it.

[Amsterdam]

I would consider keeping Capela and moving Willy. Capela has the athleticism to guard multiple positions and go out to the perimeter. Also excellent in PnR. Fit wise, KP and Capela are perfect.

Capela is Tyson Chandler lite. Some defense and NO offense other than alley-oops.
No thank you.

Willy is 1st team All-Rookie. Scouts and league executives liken his game to a young Marc Gasol.

Willy stays!

You obviously never watched Capela because he's one of the best PnR players in the entire NBA.

Yes Capela's very nice in PnRs as he has good hands to catcg it anywhere, as he rolls to the basket.
But HernanGomez also has nice hands rolling to the basket and has develop a pretty good-looking little jumper. Additionally, if he can develop a Marc Gasol 3pt line shot, Billys is going to be tremendous.

What I dont get is why, WHY some fans are throwing in our talented young guys on great contracts, as fillers in the Melo trade.
Melo should go by himself and get us whatever he's going to get us.

Please stop suggesting to swap out our young talent!

[mpharris36]

Honestly, I've always been reasonable when it comes to trading Melo (my Celtics trade proposals actually were approved by the Celtics fans on RealGM). I know his value isn't that high, but I see it like this
- Anderson's contract is PUTRID and significantly worse than Melo's. Yes, that final year is that harmful, IMO.
- They want Melo more than we necessarily want (need) to trade him.
- Morey is probably being pressured by Paul and Harden to get a deal done.
- The trade should be viewed as a trade for Melo (which would be a late first + Anderson) BUT Houston needs to pay up for us accepting Anderson, which is where the young prospect and another pick comes in.

The trade isn't as simple as Melo to Houston, it's Melo to Houston while we take back a garbage contract in return for a player who does nothing for us in our current state and hurts our long-term flexibility.

I don't disagree but then you see what Paul George got back and you have to realize a team taking on a even better player with 1 year on his contract doesn't get that much in return.

Personally I wouldn't have even been happy with Oladipo and Sabonis for Melo. And Paul George is significantly better than Melo at this point in his career. And PG13 didn't have a NTC...so looking at from every angle, the knicks have every right to hold out for the best possible offer. But I don't think the knicks could get Capela + 2 future 1st rounders for just taking back Ryan Anderson.

And yes I agree Anderson deal is putrid...

Pacers had the Celtics offer on the table and, IIRC, everyone accepted it until the Pacers' GM decided to pull the plug at the last minute - I believe Woj reported that (or some semblance of that story).

Dipo and Sabonis are two young players, one of whom is on a rookie deal and the other is on a fair contract for what he provides + the way the market is going. The Pacers also weren't accepting garbage contracts in return - they were basically just trying to match contracts instead of value, which was beyond stupid on their end because they should have gotten at least one pick. If the Pacers were forced to take on a bad contract, you'd have a point...but there was no Ryan Anderson in the trade. Having Paul George also basically say he's going to LA wasn't helping the Pacers get value, either.

If the Knicks can't get the deal they want, then they simply won't trade him. It's that simple to me. Melo, Houston, and the Knicks all need to come to terms with the fact that if a deal needs to get done, all three need to agree on it. If Anderson had the same contract as Melo, the deal would be done - the fact that he has 3 years (when Melo, IMO, really only has 1) is a dealbreaker and that's where the value comes in - me asking for the deal I just proposed has basically nothing to do with Melo and everything to do with Anderson. That is my point - that's why I'm stingy as hell with this. I think you're looking at my deal saying everything being brought in is value for Melo, when I'm really looking at is as a deal for Melo + a deal for Anderson's contract. I've already said Melo's value is low, but Anderson's contract brings the demand way up.

I get it...I do. But I keep going back to this point. We have demands but we also need to be reasonable because we also don't want Melo back here. It's so easy to say just keep Melo, but its a little more trickier than that when you are working with impressionable young playres and trying to start over. We don't want another KP situation going on where we are treating Melo poorly and refusing to deal him when he wants to be traded. I just think its a little trickier then what you make it out to be in terms of "we will just keep him".

I think we will keep him if there are only atrocious offers. Like Ryan Anderson and a 1st round pick is an atrocious offer. You deal with the Melo headache all year if thats all you get.

But now if your talking Capela in the mix...that is another really good piece that even if you decide not to keep him can move him to a 3rd or 4th team for more pieces that get us what we want. Maybe Capela goes to a team to take Ryan Andrson back. It opens up some more doors is all im saying.

[Amsterdam]

I would consider keeping Capela and moving Willy. Capela has the athleticism to guard multiple positions and go out to the perimeter. Also excellent in PnR. Fit wise, KP and Capela are perfect.

Capela is Tyson Chandler lite. Some defense and NO offense other than alley-oops.
No thank you.

Willy is 1st team All-Rookie. Scouts and league executives liken his game to a young Marc Gasol.

Willy stays!

You obviously never watched Capela because he's one of the best PnR players in the entire NBA.

Yes Capela's very nice in PnRs as he has good hands to catch it anywhere, as he rolls to the basket.
But HernanGomez also has nice hands rolling to the basket and has develop a pretty good-looking little jumper. Additionally, if he can develop a Marc Gasol 3pt line shot, Billy's is going to be atremendous talent.

What I dont get is why, WHY some fans are throwing in our talented young guys on great contracts, as fillers in the Melo trade.
Melo should go by himself and get us whatever he's going to get us.

Please stop suggesting to swap out our young talent in a Melo trade.

[Crunchknicks1]

Yea just get a young player to add to our young core now. As mills said Prozingis Wille Frank and Hardaway. Dotson looks good too. Now go add to that with a couple more young players. And let's get this rebuild under way. By the way what's up with Dotson contract ???