2020 Draft Thread, Part 2

[Onus]

Wiseman is by far the best player in this draft at the Warriors greatest position of need. It's a complete no brainer for them to draft him. The problem is that the Hornets have the same situation and will make Minnesota an offer they can't pass on to swap picks. It will be on the Warriors to decide if they're willing to make the Wolves a better offer.

I think there is a 0% chance that the Warriors would be willing to trade up and a much higher percentage chance that the Warriors will trade down or out of the draft. I think there are 2 players at the top of the draft and the Warriors if they keep the pick will select whoever is left between Edwards and Wiseman but with a shortened training camp and abbreviated season, I can't see either one providing much impact for the team if they get deep into the playoffs. I think the Warriors top choice would be to trade #2 and the TPE for a veteran and top 15 pick who can get them to another level next season.

Sure if somebody offers them a star they will trade #2. I don't think anybody is going to offer them a star. Trading up for Wiseman to beat out a Charlotte offer might only require giving the Wolves Lottery protection on next years pick. I could easily see them trading up for Wiseman.

I’m pretty sure we’ll be ok with either Edwards or wiseman. Wiseman is not a sure fire all star. If he struggles to defend on the perimeter he may not even be able to finish games.

And yes I believe gobert is part of the reason Utah struggles in the playoffs because of his inability to guard the perimeter.

[KGdaBom]

I think there is a 0% chance that the Warriors would be willing to trade up and a much higher percentage chance that the Warriors will trade down or out of the draft. I think there are 2 players at the top of the draft and the Warriors if they keep the pick will select whoever is left between Edwards and Wiseman but with a shortened training camp and abbreviated season, I can't see either one providing much impact for the team if they get deep into the playoffs. I think the Warriors top choice would be to trade #2 and the TPE for a veteran and top 15 pick who can get them to another level next season.

Sure if somebody offers them a star they will trade #2. I don't think anybody is going to offer them a star. Trading up for Wiseman to beat out a Charlotte offer might only require giving the Wolves Lottery protection on next years pick. I could easily see them trading up for Wiseman.

I’m pretty sure we’ll be ok with either Edwards or wiseman. Wiseman is not a sure fire all star. If he struggles to defend on the perimeter he may not even be able to finish games.

And yes I believe gobert is part of the reason Utah struggles in the playoffs because of his inability to guard the perimeter.

We disagree. Just because a Center is not a star perimeter defender doesn't negate his value. I'd be happy to have Gobert despite him not being a great perimeter defender. As a Wolves fan despite my appreciation of Wiseman and us having KAT I would trade #1 for Gobert. There's only one Anthony Davis in the NBA. Wiseman is a vastly superior prospect to Edwards. If you can trick Charlotte into believing you won't draft Wiseman more power to you. I don't think the Hornets would fall for it. They will make an offer to Minnesota that will be acceptable to the Wolves. If the Warriors don't beat that offer, which wouldn't be hard to do, that will be a mistake.

[Little Digger]

I’m rolling with Bogut over all the negative hype and sticking with Ball at 2

1. Okoro
2. Ball
3. Edwards
4. Williams
5. Vassell
6. Wiseman
7. Advija
8. Haliburton
9. Pokusevski
10. Hayes

Picks 2 and 3 have wild risk/reward ranges

[whatisacenter]

Sure if somebody offers them a star they will trade #2. I don't think anybody is going to offer them a star. Trading up for Wiseman to beat out a Charlotte offer might only require giving the Wolves Lottery protection on next years pick. I could easily see them trading up for Wiseman.

I’m pretty sure we’ll be ok with either Edwards or wiseman. Wiseman is not a sure fire all star. If he struggles to defend on the perimeter he may not even be able to finish games.

And yes I believe gobert is part of the reason Utah struggles in the playoffs because of his inability to guard the perimeter.

We disagree. Just because a Center is not a star perimeter defender doesn't negate his value. I'd be happy to have Gobert despite him not being a great perimeter defender. As a Wolves fan despite my appreciation of Wiseman and us having KAT I would trade #1 for Gobert. There's only one Anthony Davis in the NBA. Wiseman is a vastly superior prospect to Edwards. If you can trick Charlotte into believing you won't draft Wiseman more power to you. I don't think the Hornets would fall for it. They will make an offer to Minnesota that will be acceptable to the Wolves. If the Warriors don't beat that offer, which wouldn't be hard to do, that will be a mistake.

The Warriors have been linked to about every prospect in this draft and have been rumored to like or dislike all of them so nobody knows who they are aiming for. I also don't believe it would take a star player to get the Warriors to trade down from 2 but a player like Oubre, Mitchell Robinson or the like. The only scenario I haven't heard is the team trading UP except from Wolves fans who want their 2021 pick back or the pick protections expanded.

[KGdaBom]

I’m pretty sure we’ll be ok with either Edwards or wiseman. Wiseman is not a sure fire all star. If he struggles to defend on the perimeter he may not even be able to finish games.

And yes I believe gobert is part of the reason Utah struggles in the playoffs because of his inability to guard the perimeter.

We disagree. Just because a Center is not a star perimeter defender doesn't negate his value. I'd be happy to have Gobert despite him not being a great perimeter defender. As a Wolves fan despite my appreciation of Wiseman and us having KAT I would trade #1 for Gobert. There's only one Anthony Davis in the NBA. Wiseman is a vastly superior prospect to Edwards. If you can trick Charlotte into believing you won't draft Wiseman more power to you. I don't think the Hornets would fall for it. They will make an offer to Minnesota that will be acceptable to the Wolves. If the Warriors don't beat that offer, which wouldn't be hard to do, that will be a mistake.

The Warriors have been linked to about every prospect in this draft and have been rumored to like or dislike all of them so nobody knows who they are aiming for. I also don't believe it would take a star player to get the Warriors to trade down from 2 but a player like Oubre, Mitchell Robinson or the like. The only scenario I haven't heard is the team trading UP except from Wolves fans who want their 2021 pick back or the pick protections expanded.

They wouldn't trade #2 for Oubre and I really like Oubre. If the Warriors aren't idiots and they have the option to draft Wiseman that's who they are drafting. All indications are they aren't idiots. He's by far the best prospect and by far the best fit. If all it takes to beat out Charlotte is expanding protection on the Wolves pick and they decline that gets into the idiot territory again.

[Little Digger]

Best Wise man scouting report/warriors view of drafting a C..he actually does it without an agenda

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[ChuckDurn]

I’m pretty sure we’ll be ok with either Edwards or wiseman. Wiseman is not a sure fire all star. If he struggles to defend on the perimeter he may not even be able to finish games.

And yes I believe gobert is part of the reason Utah struggles in the playoffs because of his inability to guard the perimeter.

We disagree. Just because a Center is not a star perimeter defender doesn't negate his value. I'd be happy to have Gobert despite him not being a great perimeter defender. As a Wolves fan despite my appreciation of Wiseman and us having KAT I would trade #1 for Gobert. There's only one Anthony Davis in the NBA. Wiseman is a vastly superior prospect to Edwards. If you can trick Charlotte into believing you won't draft Wiseman more power to you. I don't think the Hornets would fall for it. They will make an offer to Minnesota that will be acceptable to the Wolves. If the Warriors don't beat that offer, which wouldn't be hard to do, that will be a mistake.

The Warriors have been linked to about every prospect in this draft and have been rumored to like or dislike all of them so nobody knows who they are aiming for. I also don't believe it would take a star player to get the Warriors to trade down from 2 but a player like Oubre, Mitchell Robinson or the like. The only scenario I haven't heard is the team trading UP except from Wolves fans who want their 2021 pick back or the pick protections expanded.

Yep.

<5% chance that the Warriors would give up any asset (even further protection on the Minnesota pick) to move up..... if they move either way, I'm almost certain it will be down in the draft, not up. They've been brilliant in hiding any true intentions so far.

This is where "what is Miles Bridges' value" comes into play. I don't see a whole hell of a lot on Charlotte's roster that would be enticing to Minnesota enough to move out of #1, so unless Bridges is seen as a prize, all Charlotte could offer is draft assets. How much would that take? How much would Charlotte be willing to give up in future assets to get just 1 guy? Would they be willing to trade out of next year's (much better) draft, just to move up this year? It's going to be interesting.

[jason bourne]

So you’re saying the Celtics would be happy with the deal, and Atlanta would be unhappy with it. Huh...... I said that too.

You’re railing against us turning the #2 pick into #6, #14, #26, and #30. Okay, that’s fine, we can choose to disagree. But drafts are imperfect, and it’s quite possible that whoever we pick at 6 could turn out to be as good as the #2 pick (especially with all the questions surrounding the top picks), and this give us 2-3 additional swings (depending on how we would consolidate those picks) in a deep draft. In my opinion, I’d prefer all those picks over the #2 in this particular draft, but people can feel differently.

Celtics would be happy to dump Gordon Hayward's contract. Maybe he'll has a few good years left. Would you take a chance on him if he was $100 K over our TPE (I think they allow $100K to go over). Or do the injury concerns prevent you from giving him a 3-yr $60 M deal?

Thus, you get Gordon Hayward, #14, #26, and #30 while the Celtics get James Wiseman. You can go to the Hawks to get your #6 pick.

[jason bourne]

I’m pretty sure we’ll be ok with either Edwards or wiseman. Wiseman is not a sure fire all star. If he struggles to defend on the perimeter he may not even be able to finish games.

And yes I believe gobert is part of the reason Utah struggles in the playoffs because of his inability to guard the perimeter.

We disagree. Just because a Center is not a star perimeter defender doesn't negate his value. I'd be happy to have Gobert despite him not being a great perimeter defender. As a Wolves fan despite my appreciation of Wiseman and us having KAT I would trade #1 for Gobert. There's only one Anthony Davis in the NBA. Wiseman is a vastly superior prospect to Edwards. If you can trick Charlotte into believing you won't draft Wiseman more power to you. I don't think the Hornets would fall for it. They will make an offer to Minnesota that will be acceptable to the Wolves. If the Warriors don't beat that offer, which wouldn't be hard to do, that will be a mistake.

The Warriors have been linked to about every prospect in this draft and have been rumored to like or dislike all of them so nobody knows who they are aiming for. I also don't believe it would take a star player to get the Warriors to trade down from 2 but a player like Oubre, Mitchell Robinson or the like. The only scenario I haven't heard is the team trading UP except from Wolves fans who want their 2021 pick back or the pick protections expanded.

The TWolves aren't picking the player the Ws want in James Wiseman, so no need to trade. They think Ball is the player most teams want. Their 2021 pick and the #2 pick would be the price for Wiseman. I wouldn't trade their 2021 pick back to them for Wiseman. They could have Kevon Looney (painful salary dump) + #2 for #1.

[ChuckDurn]

So you’re saying the Celtics would be happy with the deal, and Atlanta would be unhappy with it. Huh...... I said that too.

You’re railing against us turning the #2 pick into #6, #14, #26, and #30. Okay, that’s fine, we can choose to disagree. But drafts are imperfect, and it’s quite possible that whoever we pick at 6 could turn out to be as good as the #2 pick (especially with all the questions surrounding the top picks), and this give us 2-3 additional swings (depending on how we would consolidate those picks) in a deep draft. In my opinion, I’d prefer all those picks over the #2 in this particular draft, but people can feel differently.

Celtics would be happy to dump Gordon Hayward's contract. Maybe he'll has a few good years left. Would you take a chance on him if he was $100 K over our TPE (I think they allow $100K to go over). Or do the injury concerns prevent you from giving him a 3-yr $60 M deal?

Thus, you get Gordon Hayward, #14, #26, and #30 while the Celtics get James Wiseman. You can go to the Hawks to get your #6 pick.

I have no idea WTF you're saying here, to be honest. There's no discussion of Hayward coming to the Warriors, I'm certainly not suggesting it..... and he's under contract in '20-21 for $34M, which is twice the TPE, so the TPE couldn't be used. Can you try to articulate actual legal moves, taking into account actual contracts, to explain what you're suggesting?

[Onus]

Sure if somebody offers them a star they will trade #2. I don't think anybody is going to offer them a star. Trading up for Wiseman to beat out a Charlotte offer might only require giving the Wolves Lottery protection on next years pick. I could easily see them trading up for Wiseman.

I’m pretty sure we’ll be ok with either Edwards or wiseman. Wiseman is not a sure fire all star. If he struggles to defend on the perimeter he may not even be able to finish games.

And yes I believe gobert is part of the reason Utah struggles in the playoffs because of his inability to guard the perimeter.

We disagree. Just because a Center is not a star perimeter defender doesn't negate his value. I'd be happy to have Gobert despite him not being a great perimeter defender. As a Wolves fan despite my appreciation of Wiseman and us having KAT I would trade #1 for Gobert. There's only one Anthony Davis in the NBA. Wiseman is a vastly superior prospect to Edwards. If you can trick Charlotte into believing you won't draft Wiseman more power to you. I don't think the Hornets would fall for it. They will make an offer to Minnesota that will be acceptable to the Wolves. If the Warriors don't beat that offer, which wouldn't be hard to do, that will be a mistake.

Yea that’s where we disagree. Gobert is a great regular season player but has massive matchup issues in the playoffs. There’s no way I would max out gobert because of those issues. I wouldn’t want to have to think I have to sit down a max slot player because he’s constantly giving up open shots. Like letting Jamal go crazy.

As for wiseman if he has those same defensive issues which is likely he’s probably not worth drafting at 2. But I’m willing to gamble that he can because if he can he’s a star. But if he’s not there I’m fine with taking Edwards or Deni.

[xdrta+]

So you’re saying the Celtics would be happy with the deal, and Atlanta would be unhappy with it. Huh...... I said that too.

You’re railing against us turning the #2 pick into #6, #14, #26, and #30. Okay, that’s fine, we can choose to disagree. But drafts are imperfect, and it’s quite possible that whoever we pick at 6 could turn out to be as good as the #2 pick (especially with all the questions surrounding the top picks), and this give us 2-3 additional swings (depending on how we would consolidate those picks) in a deep draft. In my opinion, I’d prefer all those picks over the #2 in this particular draft, but people can feel differently.

Celtics would be happy to dump Gordon Hayward's contract. Maybe he'll has a few good years left. Would you take a chance on him if he was $100 K over our TPE (I think they allow $100K to go over). Or do the injury concerns prevent you from giving him a 3-yr $60 M deal?

Thus, you get Gordon Hayward, #14, #26, and #30 while the Celtics get James Wiseman. You can go to the Hawks to get your #6 pick.

How does that work? If Hayward opts in, his contract is $34M, if he doesn't he's a free agent. The Warriors can't get him either way.

[ChuckDurn]

We disagree. Just because a Center is not a star perimeter defender doesn't negate his value. I'd be happy to have Gobert despite him not being a great perimeter defender. As a Wolves fan despite my appreciation of Wiseman and us having KAT I would trade #1 for Gobert. There's only one Anthony Davis in the NBA. Wiseman is a vastly superior prospect to Edwards. If you can trick Charlotte into believing you won't draft Wiseman more power to you. I don't think the Hornets would fall for it. They will make an offer to Minnesota that will be acceptable to the Wolves. If the Warriors don't beat that offer, which wouldn't be hard to do, that will be a mistake.

The Warriors have been linked to about every prospect in this draft and have been rumored to like or dislike all of them so nobody knows who they are aiming for. I also don't believe it would take a star player to get the Warriors to trade down from 2 but a player like Oubre, Mitchell Robinson or the like. The only scenario I haven't heard is the team trading UP except from Wolves fans who want their 2021 pick back or the pick protections expanded.

The TWolves aren't picking the player the Ws want in James Wiseman, so no need to trade. They think Ball is the player most teams want. Their 2021 pick and the #2 pick would be the price for Wiseman. I wouldn't trade their 2021 pick back to them for Wiseman. They could have Kevon Looney (painful salary dump) + #2 for #1.

Let me help you out here.

The idea of trading up to #1 (which I'm NOT an advocate of) isn't because we'd expect Minnesota to take and keep him; it's predicated on the idea that somebody such as Charlotte would trade with Minnesota to get the #1 pick, and THAT TEAM would take him.

Which - just to make sure it's clear - would mean Wiseman wouldn't be available for the Warriors at #2.

So our trading up to #1 would be to eliminate any risk that somebody else would trade up to #1, and "take Wiseman away from us".

Again, I wouldn't do this. I'm just explaining the logic behind this.

[jason bourne]

My updated big board - 5/11/2020

1. James Wiseman - David Robinson

The new Ringer vid is hyping Wiseman's shot creation and ball handling skills. They aren't saying DRob, but taller Chris Bosh, or KAT with better D, or Rasheed Wallace with better manners. I think the Ws price for the #2 just went up and could take whoever is left at #2 between LaMelo Ball or James Wiseman. Anthony Edwards or a player really rising like Deni Avdija (prolly not an All-Star) would be a wild card.

[ChuckDurn]

So you’re saying the Celtics would be happy with the deal, and Atlanta would be unhappy with it. Huh...... I said that too.

You’re railing against us turning the #2 pick into #6, #14, #26, and #30. Okay, that’s fine, we can choose to disagree. But drafts are imperfect, and it’s quite possible that whoever we pick at 6 could turn out to be as good as the #2 pick (especially with all the questions surrounding the top picks), and this give us 2-3 additional swings (depending on how we would consolidate those picks) in a deep draft. In my opinion, I’d prefer all those picks over the #2 in this particular draft, but people can feel differently.

Celtics would be happy to dump Gordon Hayward's contract. Maybe he'll has a few good years left. Would you take a chance on him if he was $100 K over our TPE (I think they allow $100K to go over). Or do the injury concerns prevent you from giving him a 3-yr $60 M deal?

Thus, you get Gordon Hayward, #14, #26, and #30 while the Celtics get James Wiseman. You can go to the Hawks to get your #6 pick.

How does that work? If Hayward opts in, his contract is $34M, if he doesn't he's a free agent. The Warriors can't get him either way.

Yep.

Even were Hayward to opt out, the Warriors wouldn't have the cap space to sign him, and they effectively couldn't execute a sign-and-trade due to the hard cap implications.

[whatisacenter]

We disagree. Just because a Center is not a star perimeter defender doesn't negate his value. I'd be happy to have Gobert despite him not being a great perimeter defender. As a Wolves fan despite my appreciation of Wiseman and us having KAT I would trade #1 for Gobert. There's only one Anthony Davis in the NBA. Wiseman is a vastly superior prospect to Edwards. If you can trick Charlotte into believing you won't draft Wiseman more power to you. I don't think the Hornets would fall for it. They will make an offer to Minnesota that will be acceptable to the Wolves. If the Warriors don't beat that offer, which wouldn't be hard to do, that will be a mistake.

The Warriors have been linked to about every prospect in this draft and have been rumored to like or dislike all of them so nobody knows who they are aiming for. I also don't believe it would take a star player to get the Warriors to trade down from 2 but a player like Oubre, Mitchell Robinson or the like. The only scenario I haven't heard is the team trading UP except from Wolves fans who want their 2021 pick back or the pick protections expanded.

They wouldn't trade #2 for Oubre and I really like Oubre. If the Warriors aren't idiots and they have the option to draft Wiseman that's who they are drafting. All indications are they aren't idiots. He's by far the best prospect and by far the best fit. If all it takes to beat out Charlotte is expanding protection on the Wolves pick and they decline that gets into the idiot territory again.

it would be #2 + TPE for #10 + Oubre. No chance the Warriors trade up. If you think Wiseman is the best by a long shot then pick him at 1 and keep/trade him. I would be good with Edwards/Ball/Deni/Okoro/OO at 2 for the Warriors to trade/pick.

[ChuckDurn]

My updated big board - 5/11/2020

1. James Wiseman - David Robinson

The new Ringer vid is hyping Wiseman's shot creation and ball handling skills. They aren't saying DRob, but taller Chris Bosh, or KAT with better D, or Rasheed Wallace with better manners. I think the Ws price for the #2 just went up and could take whoever is left at #2 between LaMelo Ball or James Wiseman. Anthony Edwards or a player really rising like Deni Avdija (prolly not an All-Star) would be a wild card.

Wow, that video changes everything.

/sarcasm

[Warriors Analyst]

Wiseman is by far the best player in this draft at the Warriors greatest position of need. It's a complete no brainer for them to draft him. The problem is that the Hornets have the same situation and will make Minnesota an offer they can't pass on to swap picks. It will be on the Warriors to decide if they're willing to make the Wolves a better offer.

How sure are you that he’ll be able to switch onto the perimeter and not be a complete mismatch out there?

There is no perfect draft pick. Guarding the perimeter will be doable for Wiseman, but a bit of a struggle. His value will be in protecting the rim, being a huge rebounding force, rim running and adequate shooting on offense. A longer David Robinson, Chris Bosh or LaMarcus Aldridge. A pretty certain all star within 4 years.

Wiseman delusion syndrome doesn't seem to be limited to the Warriors board. You're trying to sell us on the idea of Wiseman being a more physically dominant version of D-Rob, Bosh, or Aldridge. In that case, you should be praying the Wolves trade Towns and cash in his value, pick Wiseman at the #1 and build from there. Wiseman could be great, but I really doubt he's an All-Star in 4 years and your projection of him puts him in GOAT big man territory. That's not happening.

[jason bourne]

Let me help you out here.

The idea of trading up to #1 (which I'm NOT an advocate of) isn't because we'd expect Minnesota to take and keep him; it's predicated on the idea that somebody such as Charlotte would trade with Minnesota to get the #1 pick, and THAT TEAM would take him.

Which - just to make sure it's clear - would mean Wiseman wouldn't be available for the Warriors at #2.

So our trading up to #1 would be to eliminate any risk that somebody else would trade up to #1, and "take Wiseman away from us".

Again, I wouldn't do this. I'm just explaining the logic behind this.

Your logic is based on the TWolves taking a guy to make trades. That's what they've been saying, but they're going to make their pick to keep if there isn't a deal they like (just like the Warriors). This is the most likely scenario. How anyone can base their selection on a moving target is beyond me. Oh, there are teams who want Wiseman the most. Or Anthony Edwards. Or LaMelo Ball.

The Warriors haven't decided Wiseman is their only guy as an All-Star. They could have LaMelo or Anthony Edwards there. They think a young guy would take time to develop and there are better options out there in a trade down. IOW, it lessens their risk at #2. They may like Deni Avdija, but he isn't a future All-Star so we should trade down. The Ringer's vid was spot on in that there is a big risk at getting the #2 pick right. Wiseman just happens to fit a need and he could give them an inside-outside game. What we're not sure of is can he hit the outside J and create his own shot like AD haha?

I think Wiseman has shown is he can score points, grab rebounds, and block shots at the collegiate level. We started arguing here about his outside J and perimeter defense. Now, we got this new vid of Wiseman stating he's got potential "can create his own shot and hit the outside J." That would make him a potential Superstar big. It wouldn't be a stretch to say he could develop the 3-ball if he can hit the outside J at a good clip. Wiseman's got 70% FT shooting, so that's a good sign. His form looks good. So how does one judge or project what Wiseman's shot can be?

One of Wiseman's big weaknesses and red flag is small sample size and he quit on his team. He didn't even try to stay. Is that due to his character? He folds under adversity? It's difficult to look into a player's heart, but this could be the red flag to stay away.

Back to what the Ringer was favorably projecting, something not brought out before, i.e. good way to mash a new vid and get plenty of eyeballs as the draft is under two weeks away. Wiseman can create his own shot and hit the outside J. I haven't seen it, but it is very, very, very intriguing so it's something Ws should investigate if they haven't already. It probably would affect their decision to trade down.

Here's an example you can get from his vids from HS and Memphis as to his potential as a shooter. One has to find a comparison to his shot from the bottom up. I have no idea if any team in the NBA does this, so there may not be any record of success/failure haha. It's just a wild idea.

Watch on YouTube

[jason bourne]

My updated big board - 5/11/2020

1. James Wiseman - David Robinson

The new Ringer vid is hyping Wiseman's shot creation and ball handling skills. They aren't saying DRob, but taller Chris Bosh, or KAT with better D, or Rasheed Wallace with better manners. I think the Ws price for the #2 just went up and could take whoever is left at #2 between LaMelo Ball or James Wiseman. Anthony Edwards or a player really rising like Deni Avdija (prolly not an All-Star) would be a wild card.

Wow, that video changes everything.

/sarcasm

It's a good vid for the Ringer in getting eyeballs. Also it was addressed to the Warriors and their fans to "prolong their dynasty." Wiseman's comps have been Hassan Whiteside and higher ceiling DeAndre Jordan. Now, the Ringer has mashed a vid to show how he "could" (cough, cough) be like AD. Actually, they were smart and compared him to top Cs from the past and tweaked their nose at the TWolves in comparing him to KAT.

It did make me think of Wiseman's ball handling and what his J could project to. Maybe his ball handling sucks or is lacking under pressure. Maybe his size can overcome some of it? Same with his J. I think you'll get more argument that his J is a developing weapon. From there, the 3-pt shot isn't that far of a reach. Just that could make the Warriors think twice of passing him up at #2 or in trading down for Avdija.