So what's the pivot? (Beal, Lavine, or smaller moves)? - Post Harden ideas and rumors

[GutUNC]

Green, picks and expirings for Lowry
Tobi for Derozan


Shotcreation issues solved


Embiid
Simmons
derozon/ Thybulle
curry/ maxey / joe
Lowry / Shake /

Spacing issues created.

[Kobblehead]

I wouldn't think so. Maxey wasn't even valued as a lotto pick last year and is coming off a rookie year showing he's not NBA ready. I wouldn't want to move him right now, anyway, though. We were lucky enough to get a freshman creator at #21.

[LeonJordanJr24]

Olidipo, Gordon, tucker it is....

[Kobblehead]

Guys, look at P.J. Tucker's stats.

Can he score? No
Can he defend? No
Can he shoot? No
Can he pass? No
Can he rebound? No

Is he going to be 36 in a couple of months? Yes

He's trash. He never even was good. Now that he's an old man, he provides nothing at all.

[Murray_17]

Green, picks and expirings for Lowry
Tobi for Derozan


Shotcreation issues solved


Embiid
Simmons
derozon/ Thybulle
curry/ maxey / joe
Lowry / Shake /

Spacing issues created.

Defensively this doesn't make sense either, without Harris we don't have a traditional PF, unless you want the corpse of Mike Scott there, and will force you to put Ben on that spot. Which also means he would be forced to guard the second big guy on the opossing team and make you lose the flexibility to put him on guards like Lillard or Doncic.

[spikeslovechild]

Guys, look at P.J. Tucker's stats.

Can he score? No
Can he defend? No
Can he shoot? No
Can he pass? No
Can he rebound? No

Is he going to be 36 in a couple of months? Yes

He's trash. He never even was good. Now that he's an old man, he provides nothing at all.

I totally agree.

Why are people so fascinated with other teams trash? At least someone like Griffin was great at one point and you have some hope of him getting healthy enough where he can be a positive contributor.

Tucker also wants an extension and never been paid so you can't really put him at the end of the bench either. Let some trash team sign him where he can get the minutes he wants

[stormi]

Why are people so fascinated with other teams trash? At least someone like Griffin

This oxymoron was out of this world

[Stanford]

Green, picks and expirings for Lowry
Tobi for Derozan


Shotcreation issues solved


Embiid
Simmons
derozon/ Thybulle
curry/ maxey / joe
Lowry / Shake /

Spacing issues created.

Defensively this doesn't make sense either, without Harris we don't have a traditional PF, unless you want the corpse of Mike Scott there, and will force you to put Ben on that spot. Which also means he would be forced to guard the second big guy on the opossing team and make you lose the flexibility to put him on guards like Lillard or Doncic.

Honest question, not trolling:

Which traditional PFs are you worried about in the playoffs?

[Murray_17]

Well, not a "traditional PF" but if we play the bucks for example, you're forced to put ben and joel on brook/giannis, with Harris or a real pf on the team you could switch that and put Harris on Lopez and disrupt jrue with Ben on Him.

It give you more options as far as match ups and defense goes.

The same goes for the Nets when they go small, Ben would be forced to cover one of Jeff Green/KD because Joel doesn't like to come out of the paint, and still we would have problem covering that line up. Ben normallywould be tasked to cover KD naturally, but i think you can disrupt more of their offense by putting him on Harden.


It doesn't even have to be Harris, you need another big guy to throw around and cover stretch guys and to do it for you as well.Specially if we're gonna trade Green AND Harris like in that trade i answered to

[spikeslovechild]

Why are people so fascinated with other teams trash? At least someone like Griffin

This oxymoron was out of this world

He is coming back from injury and is still only 31. He could be washed but we've seen guys like Hayward and others take time and then come back and be productive.

He is worth a look to see if he can at least function in a reduced role. I'd rather take some chances on guys then sign confirmed scrubs or guys old enough to collect a pension like Tucker or to the point we don't have a choice its like when we were about to sign Howard people focused on what he used to be instead of whether he was better then our current options for a limited bench role on a vet min deal.

If Griffin gets bought out there will be competition for his services among contenders and we will be lucky to sign him.

[stormi]

Why are people so fascinated with other teams trash? At least someone like Griffin

This oxymoron was out of this world

He is coming back from injury and is still only 31. He could be washed but we've seen guys like Hayward and others take time and then come back and be productive.

He is worth a look to see if he can at least function in a reduced role. I'd rather take some chances on guys then sign confirmed scrubs or guys old enough to collect a pension like Tucker or to the point we don't have a choice its like when we were about to sign Howard people focused on what he used to be instead of whether he was better then our current options for a limited bench role on a vet min deal.

If Griffin gets bought out there will be competition for his services among contenders and we will be lucky to sign him.

He's been on that long road back from injury for about 3 or 4 years now. The knee injuries killed him, he can't move anymore. Our bench is so bad though that I'm not opposed to the idea, but he'd be option like F. I'd sign a lot of specialists off the street before I rang up BG.

[spikeslovechild]

This oxymoron was out of this world

He is coming back from injury and is still only 31. He could be washed but we've seen guys like Hayward and others take time and then come back and be productive.

He is worth a look to see if he can at least function in a reduced role. I'd rather take some chances on guys then sign confirmed scrubs or guys old enough to collect a pension like Tucker or to the point we don't have a choice its like when we were about to sign Howard people focused on what he used to be instead of whether he was better then our current options for a limited bench role on a vet min deal.

If Griffin gets bought out there will be competition for his services among contenders and we will be lucky to sign him.

He's been on that long road back from injury for about 3 or 4 years now. The knee injuries killed him, he can't move anymore. Our bench is so bad though that I'm not opposed to the idea, but he'd be option like F. I'd sign a lot of specialists off the street before I rang up BG.

You can say that about Boogie but not Griffin 1.5 seasons ago he was averaging 25 and a All-Star I don't think anyone ever expects that out of him again but could he get to the point where he is averaging 12 to 13 points off the bench in a stretch role taking open 3s? I don't see why some of you pretend like that can't happen or not even willing to take a chance. Our bench is complete trash and he'll take the vet min to sign

He's well worth the look. Of course if someone else better comes available you sign them but this is usually who you have to pick from

[stormi]

He is coming back from injury and is still only 31. He could be washed but we've seen guys like Hayward and others take time and then come back and be productive.

He is worth a look to see if he can at least function in a reduced role. I'd rather take some chances on guys then sign confirmed scrubs or guys old enough to collect a pension like Tucker or to the point we don't have a choice its like when we were about to sign Howard people focused on what he used to be instead of whether he was better then our current options for a limited bench role on a vet min deal.

If Griffin gets bought out there will be competition for his services among contenders and we will be lucky to sign him.

He's been on that long road back from injury for about 3 or 4 years now. The knee injuries killed him, he can't move anymore. Our bench is so bad though that I'm not opposed to the idea, but he'd be option like F. I'd sign a lot of specialists off the street before I rang up BG.

You can say that about Boogie but not Griffin 1.5 seasons ago he was averaging 25 and a All-Star I don't think anyone ever expects that out of him again but could he get to the point where he is averaging 12 to 13 points off the bench in a stretch role taking open 3s? I don't see why some of you pretend like that can't happen or not even willing to take a chance. Our bench is complete trash and he'll take the vet min to sign

He's well worth the look. Of course if someone else better comes available you sign them but this is usually who you have to pick from

He's still getting big minutes, starting every single game on a similar **** Pistons team, so why are his numbers tanking? Why are his impact metrics all in the dirt...

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2020/01/06/report-detroit-pistons-considering-season-ending-surgery-blake-griffin/2824409001/

He got surgery on his knee following that 2019 campaign and he's just been hobbled and an outer shell since. He wouldn't improve Ben lineups, or Jo lineups. He's an old man that can't shoot, he can't defend. I'm not sure what the appeal is, besides the novelty of it being Blake Griffin.

[Sixerscan]

Regarding Milton, don’t mind his percentages. He’s a very good C&S shooter and a good PnR player.

But his ball handling is really bad so is his ability to create off the dribble. It’s Andrew Wiggins robotic movement bad.

And because of this I do think he is a good player, a winning player but his value won’t be as high as what it is right now and I’d like to use him to be a bridge from what we are right now to what we want to be.

Alternative is to look at the usual suspects, Ben and Tobi.

Shake can be a good shooter, but it’s not like he’s just missing shots, he’s still short on every 3 he takes. I don’t know if he needs a break or what.

[stormi]

Lonzo slaying the fraudulent Jazz atm



Had these two seeing shadows all night, while stuffing the stat sheet with 23/7/7 + two blocks.

Should have sent that 'Lowry package' for Lonzo before he inevitably started popping off

[ProcessDoctor]

I don't understand why there's talk of a Lonzo trade from NOP's perspective. Why would they look to move him? He seems like a great piece to have next to Ingram/Zion.

[GuideDog]

I think going after Evan Fournier is the best move the team could make. I heard he's available. If give up Maxey and a first for him plus salary dumps it should get it done. Fournier can take Seth Curry's place in the starting line up.

That's a strong starting five. Seth on the bench gives us a great shooter, along with Shake, Matisse and Dwight. Now you don't need to rely heavily on Furkan.

[stormi]

I don't understand why there's talk of a Lonzo trade from NOP's perspective. Why would they look to move him? He seems like a great piece to have next to Ingram/Zion.

Literally.

[Kobblehead]

I think going after Evan Fournier is the best move the team could make. I think he's available. If give up Maxey and a first for him plus salary dumps. Fournier can take Seth Curry's place in the starting line up.

That's a strong starting five. Seth on the bench gives us a great shooter, along with Shake, Matisse and Dwight. Now you don't need to rely heavily on Furkan.

Maxey is a key longterm piece for us as a rookie contract creator. Getting rid of him now just because he's not playoff ready in year 1 would be a huge mistake, IMO.

Also, that's a pretty steep overpay for an expiring contract like Fournier, who is not even a creator to begin with.

[GuideDog]

I think going after Evan Fournier is the best move the team could make. I think he's available. If give up Maxey and a first for him plus salary dumps. Fournier can take Seth Curry's place in the starting line up.

That's a strong starting five. Seth on the bench gives us a great shooter, along with Shake, Matisse and Dwight. Now you don't need to rely heavily on Furkan.

Maxey is a key longterm piece for us as a rookie contract creator. Getting rid of him now just because he's not playoff ready in year 1 would be a huge mistake, IMO.

Also, that's a pretty steep overpay for an expiring contract like Fournier, who is not even a creator to begin with.

Maybe that is an overpay. I'm a Maxey fan too. The point is Seth is not a starter but a decent bench player. We need an upgrade there. Fournier is a great fit for us. He's a solid shooter and got better size at the 2.