Ben Simmons Trade Thread

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

The Athletic piece states Minny wants to build around KAT, DLo, and Edwards. The writer has been a mouthpiece for management there before.

A pile of future 1sts with a pupu platter of salary (Rubio, Culver, Hernangomez) is fine... as long as those picks can be flipped for Ingram or Beal or Shai. The other team that could possibly have something to offer for those picks is Toronto.

Jon Krawczynski can say whatever he wants but the Timberwolves don't have an avenue to getting Ben Simmons if they don't want to give up Edwards.

I don't even like Simmons but if I was a Minny fan I would be clamoring at the chance to sell high on Edwards. He is probably going to be an empty calorie chucker with a bad jump shot going forward. I would rather have Lamelo or even Haliburton over him if I was them.

They are not a serious organization if they think the status quo can last. They should just go ahead and trade KAT if they want to waste the next 3 years developing Edwards. He is a multi year project.

Wait what? Edwards has one of the nicest forms I’ve seen. What don’t you like about his jump shot?

[SparksFly87]

Embiid, Simmons and Thybulle surrounded by scorers is the best way to build the team. Elite defense.

[Mik317]

Thybulle probably sucks.

His spastic defense doesn't really work in the playoffs when scouted and his lack of offense doesn't help.

[yuuby]

Thybulle stinks. He is a huge offensive liability in the playoffs and is very old for a guy who just got drafted.

Id rather keep Korkmaz who is the same age and is world better on offense than keep a defensive specialist who is one of the most offensively negative players in the whole league.

[mjkvol]

The only two I really don't want to part with are Maxey and Reed. Maxey could potentially be our PG at some point, or at worst a solid bench piece, and Reed could be the perfect bench 5. Korkmaz is too hot and cold and doesn't offer anything besides his shooting, and Thybulle is useless offensively and not the smartest defensive player on the planet.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

So....After Ben leaves...It'll be Thybulle getting the treatment? Gosh...I mean...Yeah, I guess trade him too.

[BNelley24]

Thybulle stinks. He is a huge offensive liability in the playoffs and is very old for a guy who just got drafted.

Id rather keep Korkmaz who is the same age and is world better on offense than keep a defensive specialist who is one of the most offensively negative players in the whole league.

I’m still sour about his two late 4th quarter fouls on Trae and Huerter, but let’s be a little bit more sane here. Thybulle can become a better 3 pt shooter, he at least has the balls to put the shot up and is a pretty decent finisher at the right IMO. If we have to add him in a deal to get a Lavine, Beal etc then so be it, but other than that I’m perfectly fine keeping him

[Kobblehead]

The question is if Edwards is a better trade piece than Simmons to get the prize we really want and need? If more teams will value a package featuring Edwards, then a Simmons for Edwards deal is a means to an end.

If Fox is available, then that's the play I'd make with the Simmons chip.

Playing the game of acquiring a piece you don't want with the hopes of flipping him for one you do want is a risky game.

[76ciology]

What makes you guys think Bucks, Jazz and Nuggets wont trade Middleton, MPJ or Gobert for the guys you are trying to trade Ben for?

We’re not the only realizing that this league is becoming a Pick and Roll arms race.

[rzzzzz]

Thybulle can become a better 3 pt shooter, he at least has the balls to put the shot up and is a pretty decent finisher at the right IMO. If we have to add him in a deal to get a Lavine, Beal etc then so be it, but other than that I’m perfectly fine keeping him

I think most of us like Thybulle, but I don’t doubt that he put a lot of effort into his shooting as well as his handle, but didn’t improve sufficiently to leave school before the end of his senior year despite his defensive disruption. Very entertaining player, until he’s up against the best. Hope for relatively late break through, but can’t bank on it.

[Kobblehead]

What makes you guys think Bucks, Jazz and Nuggets wont trade Middleton, MPJ or Gobert for the guys you are trying to trade Ben for?

We’re not the only realizing that this league is becoming a Pick and Roll arms race.

Porter sucks, but Middleton can run pick and roll. Bucks would be foolish to move him. They need to move Giannis.

[76ciology]

What makes you guys think Bucks, Jazz and Nuggets wont trade Middleton, MPJ or Gobert for the guys you are trying to trade Ben for?

We’re not the only realizing that this league is becoming a Pick and Roll arms race.

Porter sucks, but Middleton can run pick and roll. Bucks would be foolish to move him. They need to move Giannis.

Yeah just think about it. If they move Giannis for a Giannis level PG or slightly below and Jrue for a Jrue level big, they’ll easily solve their problem.

My point is. This offseason will be crazy. Every team will just try to improve their tools to be better on running and defending pick and rolls.

Jazz would be better if they trade Gobert, Clarkson, Favors for Sexton, Nance and Jarett Allen.

This is why Presti was smart to trade for Kemba if he has his bird rights (not sure he has; lazy to check his contract)

[mjkvol]

The question is if Edwards is a better trade piece than Simmons to get the prize we really want and need? If more teams will value a package featuring Edwards, then a Simmons for Edwards deal is a means to an end.

If Fox is available, then that's the play I'd make with the Simmons chip.

Playing the game of acquiring a piece you don't want with the hopes of flipping him for one you do want is a risky game.

Oh, I agree. I was referring to more of a three team trade of sorts, where you have an agreement with a team that might value Edwards more. If Fox is available and they want Simmons in the deal, I'll drive him to the airport.

[Mik317]

What makes you guys think Bucks, Jazz and Nuggets wont trade Middleton, MPJ or Gobert for the guys you are trying to trade Ben for?

We’re not the only realizing that this league is becoming a Pick and Roll arms race.

Because those teams have their shot creators?

Also chasing trends tend to not really work out. Everyone is going to probably try to build the next Suns. Not many CP3s walking around just like there weren't that many Stephs a few years back lol..

I also suspect a lot of teams are going to blame injuries on their downfalls and simply run it back and reload. Utah will find a way to not die against 5 out lineups. The Nuggets will add firepower either with Murray or to replace him. I don't think Middleton will be on the market. MPJ might but he is still on a rookie deal...so not exactly in the same space as Ben. No one wants Gobert...they are more likely to move Mitchell lol.

and if they do? So?

You seem to have this idea that the only way to win is for it to be easy. Yeah teams are going to improve? And? So will we. At the start of the season it was supposed to be the Nets Vs Lakers/Clipper finals.. **** happens.

I don't think it is as dire as many are making it. I'd start the panic pitty parade after another season and hopefully one in which we added shot creators...they don't even have to be world beaters man. Just a few dudes who can dribble into shots. Maxey was a rookie and may not even be that good....but he did it and won a goddam playoff game for us ffs.

[Mik317]

the worst thing you can do is be reactionary and fall to recency bias.

yall the type of dudes who would have paid Jerome James back in the day huh.

[ankle420breaker]

I'm keeping Ben if we're not landing one of Fox, Shai, CJ, Beal, Lillard, or Lavine.

No interest in picks unless they're being used to facilitate a larger move.

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[davesilver]

I'm keeping Ben if we're not landing one of Fox, Shai, CJ, Beal, Lillard, or Lavine.

No interest in picks unless they're being used to facilitate a larger move.

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Lukewarm on CJ

[Black Mage]

So....After Ben leaves...It'll be Thybulle getting the treatment? Gosh...I mean...Yeah, I guess trade him too.

Nah, won't happen. Unlike Ben, Thybulle actually tried to dunk it.

[Kobblehead]

Thybulle should get included in the Simmons deal to include additional return IMO.

If to Pelicans, get Ingram and Walker back. If Sacramento, get Fox and Wright back.

[Arsenal]

Either Thybulle or Ben needs to go. We saw how totally inept lineups containing w/both of them were every time it mattered in the playoffs.

If Ben is on the court, everyone else needs to be a volume shooter.

Thybulle only has value to us as our primary wing stopper if we trade Ben.

They can't coexist.