Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade

[HumbleRen]

I'm starting to think that the Blazers may trade him to any team not named Miami - ala Kawhi situation in San Antonio - some team may get a good deal.

Well that would be stupid if they take a worse deal. I think he ends up in Miami and all this is just posturing from the Portland front office because they’re butthurt Lillard chose Miami.

I agree a trade like the Kawhi trade will likely never happen again.

Lakers had offered the same package they offered for AD more or less but Pop hated the Lakers and decided to take the lesser offer with us.

Luckily they ended up with Wemby because Spurs could of easily become a mediocre team for 10 years + because of how petty they were about Kawhi.

[Pointgod]

I'm starting to think that the Blazers may trade him to any team not named Miami - ala Kawhi situation in San Antonio - some team may get a good deal.

Well that would be stupid if they take a worse deal. I think he ends up in Miami and all this is just posturing from the Portland front office because they’re butthurt Lillard chose Miami.

It's crazy because Portland basically started a rebuild while lying to Dame lol. The ones who were following this situation called it too.

Portland really showed their ass when they got the 3rd pick, a pick that historically is high enough to return an allstar, and they ended up drafting Dame’s replacement. On top of that for some reason they haven’t moved Anfernee Simons and it’s just a mess of a roster with no direction but somehow people want to assign 100% of the blame to Dame.

[Pointgod]

I'm starting to think that the Blazers may trade him to any team not named Miami - ala Kawhi situation in San Antonio - some team may get a good deal.

Well that would be stupid if they take a worse deal. I think he ends up in Miami and all this is just posturing from the Portland front office because they’re butthurt Lillard chose Miami.

I agree a trade like the Kawhi trade will likely never happen again.

Lakers had offered the same package they offered for AD more or less but Pop hated the Lakers and decided to take the lesser offer with us.

I’m not complaining because we got Kawhi and a championship, but Spurs were incredibly dumb letting pride override completely fleecing the Lakers. Portland would be equally as dumb to do the same thing.

[HumbleRen]

Well that would be stupid if they take a worse deal. I think he ends up in Miami and all this is just posturing from the Portland front office because they’re butthurt Lillard chose Miami.

It's crazy because Portland basically started a rebuild while lying to Dame lol. The ones who were following this situation called it too.

Portland really showed their ass when they got the 3rd pick, a pick that historically is high enough to return an allstar, and they ended up drafting Dame’s replacement. On top of that for some reason they haven’t moved Anfernee Simons and it’s just a mess of a roster with no direction but somehow people want to assign 100% of the blame to Dame.

I don’t blame Portland for keeping the third pick, I’d do the same thing in their position.

Just don’t be a coward about it and give Dame false hope lol. Dude is sitting out these games because the team told him they would be better for it in the long run when in reality that future wasn’t built with Dame in mind.

[ArthurVandelay]

It depends on how seriously you take the regular season. If you want to get the highest seed possible, quality depth definitely helps.

But you can't win in the playoffs without star power, regardless of how great your depth is, so you need to prioritize acquiring stars above all else to have a shot at a title.

There is always an outlier. 2004 Pistons always comes to mind in this debate. But overall I agree, you needs at least 1 star. The less stars, the more and better depth.

There seems to be a misconceptions about that Detroit team. They had MULTIPLE all stars

Right but there is a difference between an All-Star and a STAR.

Billups, Rip, Prince, Sheed, Wallace were all-stars but none of them were in the same class as Dirk, Kobe, Duncan, Shaq of the day.

That’s the point here. They weren’t a team built around one of the top 5 players of the day.

[ArthurVandelay]

Well that would be stupid if they take a worse deal. I think he ends up in Miami and all this is just posturing from the Portland front office because they’re butthurt Lillard chose Miami.

It's crazy because Portland basically started a rebuild while lying to Dame lol. The ones who were following this situation called it too.

Portland really showed their ass when they got the 3rd pick, a pick that historically is high enough to return an allstar, and they ended up drafting Dame’s replacement. On top of that for some reason they haven’t moved Anfernee Simons and it’s just a mess of a roster with no direction but somehow people want to assign 100% of the blame to Dame.

I couldn’t agree more.

Usually I take team or management side in this disputes. But in this situation I feel, based on what information is leaked to the outside, Dame was totally mislead about true intentions of the front office.

Yeah yeah I know he signed the super max extension and he waited the year and asked for a trade immediately, but I have no doubt he truly wanted to compete in Portland and he was told that is what they wanted too. Cronin actions show otherwise.

[JRoy]

It's crazy because Portland basically started a rebuild while lying to Dame lol. The ones who were following this situation called it too.

Portland really showed their ass when they got the 3rd pick, a pick that historically is high enough to return an allstar, and they ended up drafting Dame’s replacement. On top of that for some reason they haven’t moved Anfernee Simons and it’s just a mess of a roster with no direction but somehow people want to assign 100% of the blame to Dame.

I couldn’t agree more.

Usually I take team or management side in this disputes. But in this situation I feel, based on what information is leaked to the outside, Dame was totally mislead about true intentions of the front office.

Yeah yeah I know he signed the super max extension and he waited the year and asked for a trade immediately, but I have no doubt he truly wanted to compete in Portland and he was told that is what they wanted too. Cronin actions show otherwise.

The word was the pick got no good offers; no stars, no high potential youth etc.

I don’t know how hard POR tried to move it; I’m inclined to believe the FO wasn’t serious about it.

[HumbleRen]

It's crazy because Portland basically started a rebuild while lying to Dame lol. The ones who were following this situation called it too.

Portland really showed their ass when they got the 3rd pick, a pick that historically is high enough to return an allstar, and they ended up drafting Dame’s replacement. On top of that for some reason they haven’t moved Anfernee Simons and it’s just a mess of a roster with no direction but somehow people want to assign 100% of the blame to Dame.

I couldn’t agree more.

Usually I take team or management side in this disputes. But in this situation I feel, based on what information is leaked to the outside, Dame was totally mislead about true intentions of the front office.

Yeah yeah I know he signed the super max extension and he waited the year and asked for a trade immediately, but I have no doubt he truly wanted to compete in Portland and he was told that is what they wanted too. Cronin actions show otherwise.

The whole supermax excuse never held much weight to me either.

What was the alternative ? He leaves for nothing lol ? He was getting that money regardless of the situation.

[dTox]

Cronin seems like a non confrontational guy who would rather lead someone on instead of dealing with a problem head on, this bandaid should have been ripped off the moment he traded CJ, instead he led Dame on with false hope. Dame is in the wrong too for only wanting Miami, you shouldn't have signed that contract knowing this team had almost 0 chance at winning a championship, this made everyone believe that he was happy with the status quo, and now he went the other extreme with an unreasonable demand where he has 0 leverage and is expecting a team to just accept a turd package in the form of a Tyler Herron for him

[dTox]

Both the Raptors, and Portland situation have taught us, don't do half measures

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[Pointgod]

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[JRoy]

Cronin seems like a non confrontational guy who would rather lead someone on instead of dealing with a problem head on, this bandaid should have been ripped off the moment he traded CJ, instead he led Dame on with false hope. Dame is in the wrong too for only wanting Miami, you shouldn't have signed that contract knowing this team had almost 0 chance at winning a championship, this made everyone believe that he was happy with the status quo, and now he went the other extreme with an unreasonable demand where he has 0 leverage and is expecting a team to just accept a turd package in the form of a Tyler Herron for him

I disagree.

Lillard has to prove he was healthy. He did, and had the best year of his career. Most of the games he missed were due to blatant tanking.

The trade should have happened on draft night. Lillard coming out with a public demand following the draft seems contrary to his normal behavior. Something must have spurred that decision.

There are rumors but no one knows at this point.

[Los_29]

Both the Raptors, and Portland situation have taught us, don't do half measures

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Lol, they are in no way comparable. We won 48 games in 2021-22 and 41 games last year. Portland has won 27 and 33 games led by a point guard approaching his mid 30s and no building blocks for the future.

[HumbleRen]

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Boom.

[Zeno]

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Boom.

Who opposes the request? People were begging him to ask for a trade including many Blazer fans. It is only the Miami only part that anyone had a problem with. Excluding Cronin who seems like a delusional prick that is.

[docholliday99]

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Boom.

Who opposes the request? People were begging him to ask for a trade including many Blazer fans. It is only the Miami only part that anyone had a problem with. Excluding Cronin who seems like a delusional prick that is.

Seems a bit hypocritical on Portland's end - Cronin and group can convince Lillard that they are committed to him and want to continue to build around him, however a year later they seriously luck out, get the #3 pick, then decide to pivot and rebuild instead; but it's not ok for Lillard to do what's best for himself now?

I typically side with FO's but in this case, I have no issue with Lillard wanting to control the end of his story. Doesn't mean he'll get to but he didn't do an about face on the team and didn't try to do them dirty - he's no Harden or Simmons.

[Zeno]

Boom.

Who opposes the request? People were begging him to ask for a trade including many Blazer fans. It is only the Miami only part that anyone had a problem with. Excluding Cronin who seems like a delusional prick that is.

Seems a bit hypocritical on Portland's end - Cronin and group can convince Lillard that they are committed to him and want to continue to build around him, however a year later they seriously luck out, get the #3 pick, then decide to pivot and rebuild instead; but it's not ok for Lillard to do what's best for himself now?

I typically side with FO's but in this case, I have no issue with Lillard wanting to control the end of his story. Doesn't mean he'll get to but he didn't do an about face on the team and didn't try to do them dirty - he's no Harden or Simmons.

I got no problem with the request outside of not giving a list of 3 teams minimum. If he wanted, he could have easily just thrown-in a couple other teams with no assets which is a standard strategy in these cases. Going the "one team only so trade me for nothing" route on the heels of the Beal trade that netted near nothing was a bad strategy cause it got the Blazers front offices back up unnecessarily.

[docholliday99]

Who opposes the request? People were begging him to ask for a trade including many Blazer fans. It is only the Miami only part that anyone had a problem with. Excluding Cronin who seems like a delusional prick that is.

Seems a bit hypocritical on Portland's end - Cronin and group can convince Lillard that they are committed to him and want to continue to build around him, however a year later they seriously luck out, get the #3 pick, then decide to pivot and rebuild instead; but it's not ok for Lillard to do what's best for himself now?

I typically side with FO's but in this case, I have no issue with Lillard wanting to control the end of his story. Doesn't mean he'll get to but he didn't do an about face on the team and didn't try to do them dirty - he's no Harden or Simmons.

I got no problem with the request outside of not giving a list of 3 teams minimum. If he wanted, he could have easily just thrown-in a couple other teams with no assets which is a standard strategy in these cases. Going the "one team only so trade me for nothing" route on the heels of the Beal trade that netted near nothing was a bad strategy cause it got the Blazers front offices back up unnecessarily.

Ok, that's a very good point. Definitely mistakes all around but that's a very good point.

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He 100% signed for the money. That team was garbage and completely devoid of any assets. There is a 0% chance he thought they could be competitive.

[MiamiSPX]

Portland really showed their ass when they got the 3rd pick, a pick that historically is high enough to return an allstar, and they ended up drafting Dame’s replacement. On top of that for some reason they haven’t moved Anfernee Simons and it’s just a mess of a roster with no direction but somehow people want to assign 100% of the blame to Dame.

I couldn’t agree more.

Usually I take team or management side in this disputes. But in this situation I feel, based on what information is leaked to the outside, Dame was totally mislead about true intentions of the front office.

Yeah yeah I know he signed the super max extension and he waited the year and asked for a trade immediately, but I have no doubt he truly wanted to compete in Portland and he was told that is what they wanted too. Cronin actions show otherwise.

The whole supermax excuse never held much weight to me either.

What was the alternative ? He leaves for nothing lol ? He was getting that money regardless of the situation.

The supermax argument definitely does not hold weight. It's not like they had some contentious negotiations and finally relented and gave it to him. 2/3 of the league would have lined up to give him the supermax at that time.